Should Henin retire? ... Well she did.

edmondsm

Legend
Presumably because they don't know they are going to change their minds later. They are saying what they believe and feel at the time. And a fair number of players have stuck to their word in this regard anyway.
But so many players just stop playing and take a break. There is no need to officially retire, if you're feeling burned out, un-motivated, in a slump, just take a break. Especially when she was gearing up to defend her FO title just weeks ago, now she's retired. It seems very rash, and a little suspicious if you ask me.
 

HyperHorse

Banned
Yes.. Justine has retired... Get over it!!!

Blah blah blah blah Henin is gone...
Blah blah blah blah.. pretty much 7 pages of the same thing.
I can't believe how selfish you all are...
With her physique must take a lot of work just to prepare to play at this high level...
Anyway she's decided she's had enough, it's clear none of you what the life of a pro tennis player is really about, all you care about is your own entertainment.
It's her life, she's had a great career anyhow.
Hopefully some teenage girls are out there perfecting their 1 handers...
 

BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
Henin retired because she realized she could not compete with the big women and their 2-handed backhands.
Yeah, sure, that was the reason. And Borg retired abruptly at a young age because he couldn't compete with skinny guys with 1-handed backhands, right? :roll:
 

snoopy

Professional
She probably wants to get married.

She has gone through enough trouble in her life including her family and her divorce.

Her knee bothers her and she has accomplished enough already. There is nothing left for her to do (except maybe win Wimbledon).

Without her the WTA is now totally lame.
 

Kaptain Karl

Hall Of Fame
... Justine had passion, intense competitive spirit, and class.
Hmm. "Class" is not a trait I'd ever label Henin with.



... when I have stomach problems, I can't play tennis. maybe you're just good like that.
Sure you can. I've played matches with the Flu so bad I wanted to die ... and based on the scores, I did. But I played because I owed my opponent the best match I could give him. (I've also won matches when I had the Flu.)

Henin had a tummy ache and lacked the class to finish the match and give Mauresmo the honor of a completed match for her Major victory. Please don't try to excuse her classless behavior.



... I don't like the term "hater" but I can't think of another name for those that try to cheapen her memory now that she's gone that fits better than that.
She did a pretty good job of cheapening her memory ... all by herself.

- KK
 

AlpineCadet

Hall of Fame
Here are some snippets from the article:

"It is a new beginning for me. I feel like I already lived three lives. I gave the sport all I could and took everything it could give me," she said. "I take this decision without the least bit of regrets. It is my life as a woman that starts now."

"I thought long about this," Henin said, her voice cracking and eyes watering. "I started thinking about it late last year. I was at the end of the road. I leave with my head held high."

"She was a great opponent. She always challenged herself to play her best tennis no matter what the circumstances," Venus Williams, a six-time major champion, said Wednesday at the Italian Open. "She was just a real fighter, so I think that was really what made her best."

"At the end of the match in Berlin, (retirement) all of a sudden was there as something evident," Henin said. "I decided to stop fooling myself and accept it."

"Justine Henin will be remembered as one of the all-time great champions in women's tennis, and a woman who made up for her lack of size with a will to win and fighting spirit that was second to none," WTA Tour CEO Larry Scott said. "It is rare that an athlete leaves at the very top of her game in this day and age, but Justine has always played by her own rules, in the very best sense of those words."
 

greenfan

Rookie
I respect her decision, she obviously has her reasons, but I think she could wait for the French Open and try for the fisrts time to win Wimbledon. Anyway, a farewell to the best backhand in woman's tennis....
 

ATXtennisaddict

Hall of Fame
Hmm. "Class" is not a trait I'd ever label Henin with.



Sure you can. I've played matches with the Flu so bad I wanted to die ... and based on the scores, I did. But I played because I owed my opponent the best match I could give him. (I've also won matches when I had the Flu.)

Henin had a tummy ache and lacked the class to finish the match and give Mauresmo the honor of a completed match for her Major victory. Please don't try to excuse her classless behavior.



She did a pretty good job of cheapening her memory ... all by herself.

- KK
what's the difference between retiring from a match and giving it away because you are not feeling well? either way you're not giving your opponent that "best" match you could give them.
 

BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
Henin was the only WTA player that I could stand watching. In fact, I loved to watch her all-court game, and of course, her incredible 1HBH.

The rest of the WTA players don't even play anything resembling tennis anymore. It's more of a scream-fest and they play as if they're trying to chop down trees.
 
Hmm. "Class" is not a trait I'd ever label Henin with.



Sure you can. I've played matches with the Flu so bad I wanted to die ... and based on the scores, I did. But I played because I owed my opponent the best match I could give him. (I've also won matches when I had the Flu.)

Henin had a tummy ache and lacked the class to finish the match and give Mauresmo the honor of a completed match for her Major victory. Please don't try to excuse her classless behavior.



She did a pretty good job of cheapening her memory ... all by herself.

- KK
If Henin turned her ankle in a match and stood out there racquet in hand, unable to move, would that somehow be more satisfying
to the winner? I doubt it. It would be more of a mockery to me. If you just can't play say so and get off the court. You get no points for merely being there and taking part in a farce.

I don't know about the extent of her ailment that day and neither do you. So when you choose to remember that alone and exclude all the other times she fought her heart out you cheapen the totality of her career.
But it's a free country. You are at liberty to hate her, if it makes you feel better about your decision.
 
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Moose Malloy

G.O.A.T.
"It is my life as a woman that starts now."
Guess that explains it. Just like Graf & Clijsters. There are more important things than tennis even to the very best at it.

Anyone know what was Graf ranked when she suddenly retired right before the '99 USO? And didn't she ask the WTA to just remove her from the rankings, rather that let her slowly drop off them over the next year?

I wonder if Henin has done that as well. If she did that, I would think that shows how serious she is about this decision. Any statement from the WTA about the rankings now?

She has no boyfriend though.
Neither did Graf(at least publicly) at the time of her retirement. Then she mysteriously showed up at the USO to watch Andre play & the rest is history...
 
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Nadal_Monfils

Semi-Pro
^^^ She also pulled that sunt against Serena when she held up her hand and then refused to acknowledge that she did hold it up to the umpire.
 

daddy

Legend
She has been with the same coach, Carlos Rodriguez, since 14. Your logic is fallacious...she puts in twice the effort to get into the kind of shape that makes her competitive. Pat Etcheberry, trainer to other amazing athletes such as Andre Agassi, once said that he has NEVER seen anyone, male or female, work harder than Justine at fitness.
May be so. But still it is my logic and although I can accept your way of thinking I still do not see how could her training make her so bulk like she used to be - if anything more classic tennis training would make you slimer. Id take a good look at some vids from 5 years ago and now before dismissing anything.

Btw - not the same coaching team. Her fitness coach was in question.
 
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OrangeOne

Legend
Sure you can. I've played matches with the Flu so bad I wanted to die ... and based on the scores, I did. But I played because I owed my opponent the best match I could give him. (I've also won matches when I had the Flu.)

Henin had a tummy ache and lacked the class to finish the match and give Mauresmo the honor of a completed match for her Major victory. Please don't try to excuse her classless behavior.
Who can really know how horrid it was for her at the time? Many people have had stomach pain so horrid it's paralysing, and it can come in waves and feel better a short time later.

When you were playing your opponent, did you have 15000 people in the stands and 50 million watching on TV, and an expectation that you'd make less than 1 UE a game, not to mention stunning regular winners?

How much of a farce did you and everyone watching really want it to descend into? If she has to start drop-serving like the 4 year olds that I coach, would that have somehow been preferable to retiring?
 
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Leelord337

Hall of Fame
umm... sounds dumb. retiring because she lost a couple times. if it is true it is a shame... my favorite wta player to watch.
she said in tennis magazine that she will only play if she has the same coach and she won't play without him.
 

tennispro11

Hall of Fame
What a sad day for women's tennis. One of the most well-rounded and fun to watch players is leaving. One more reason not to watch women's tennis.

T
 

Fee

Legend
Anyone think it's a bit odd that the women' retireing seems relatively easy to do? Is the tour such a grind?
Have you ever been on a trip, say for two weeks, and been so relieved to get back to your own house, your own bed, your own kitchen? Wasn't it great to unpack your bags and not be in a hotel or eating in a restaurant? Have you ever been to a tournament for a week and been completely disoriented when you got back home?

It's the travel that leads to early burnout for some of these players. Some fo them never really get used to being on the road for 40 or more weeks per year. It seems so glamourous to tennis fans - travel the world, see foreign lands, etc, etc, etc, but think about the last trip you took and multiply it out. 40 weeks of airports, hotels, restaurants, foreign foods, jetlag, disrupted sleep, climate changes, someone else doing your laundry (if you're lucky), language changes, meeting 100 new people each week. Throw in the occasional lost luggage... Even for players at the top of the game like Justine, it can be tough being in a completely new place every 7 days.

There was probably some amount of pressure on her as well. To be the best of the best, and to have every loss questioned in global media. Perhaps some of our Belgian posters can tell us about the spotlight on her in her home country, if she was treated as the equivalent of Tiger Woods or someone like that. For some people, there just comes a time when it's not just about the tennis, it's about everything else that comes with it.

The tennis is another matter. She's been playing forever and she has worked very hard physically with Etcheberry to attain peak physical fitness (and the high rate of burn out amongst his clients is curious to me, but probably the subject of a seperate thread). There are a lot of players on this forum who play 4 times a week, but what would it be like to play 7 days a week, to practice and then get focused to play matches week after week after week, in front of a crowd. Yes, its all part of tennis and every professional player knows this when they sign on, but that doesn't mean that it doesn't take a toll on them all over time. Some players live for that, even thrive on it, but some of these players merely accept it and perhaps squelch their resistance to it so that they can play the game they love. I don't know what type of player Justine is, but I believe there is a possibility that her career took a great toll on her emotionally, especially considering the turmoil in her off-court personal life.

It's tough to see this in someone so young and talented, but it is the reality.
 

Mick

Legend
Henin was the only WTA player that I could stand watching. In fact, I loved to watch her all-court game, and of course, her incredible 1HBH.

The rest of the WTA players don't even play anything resembling tennis anymore. It's more of a scream-fest and they play as if they're trying to chop down trees.

I liked Henin and Zvonareva.
Now there's only Zvonareva :(
 

Batoussai

Rookie
^^^ She also pulled that sunt against Serena when she held up her hand and then refused to acknowledge that she did hold it up to the umpire.
Let's stop remembering all the bad things. She doesn't deserve that. She's one of the few true champions at heart of the WTA.
 

BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
Maybe their 1 handed backhands got worse as they could not get the precise timing in their old age
Sure, that's why my 1HBH is better now than it was 25 years ago. :-?

I guess that's why Borg retired in his "old age" because he was no longer fast enough to get to the ball earlier with his 2HBH as 2HBH's have less reach. :oops:
 

miniRafa386

Hall of Fame
she announced on her website she retired. she lost to safina less than a week ago. shes just being a sore loser if you ask me.
 
Let's stop remembering all the bad things. She doesn't deserve that. She's one of the few true champions at heart of the WTA.
How about lets not FORGET. :)

Henin is a sore loser/cheater. A combination. Her all-court game basically consists of this:

Forehand, Backhand, Serve, Volley, Hand Raises, Tummy Aches, and lets not forget herpes.
 

Kaptain Karl

Hall Of Fame
what's the difference between retiring from a match and giving it away because you are not feeling well? either way you're not giving your opponent that "best" match you could give them.
Wrong. I prefer the old Aussie way. I'll paraphrase it this way, "If you're on the court, you are fine. You play the best you are able. And you don't make excuses if your best isn't enough."

I have three principles I expect my HS boys to follow in practices, in drills and in matches:

1 - Do your best
2 - Honor the game
3 - Finish strong

Henin has always bugged me because of how frequently she demonstrated she didn't have the same standards my HS boys have.



If Henin turned her ankle in a match and stood out there racquet in hand, unable to move, would that somehow be more satisfying
to the winner?
You are asking me to "rule" on a hypothetical. No thanks.

I don't know about the extent of her ailment that day and neither do you.
What I saw was a Major Final where -- for whatever reason -- Henin wasn't able to sustain play at the same level as Mauresmo. (But contrary to how so many Henin-philes would make it seem, she was able to play ... hit occasional winners ... and cover the court with her superior footwork.) She dishonored the game, Mauresmo and herself by quitting.

So when you choose to remember that alone ...
Nice try. I also remember the *many* times she received illegal coaching in her matches. (Don't even try to defend that.) In addition I remember The Hand ... and her pretended innocence in that event. Then, days later, her "excuse" for not admitting she had held up her hand was, "The Umpire didn't ask me."

EC, cheating one time earns you the label "Cheater". She earned it with her own behavior. I didn't "invent" these actions of hers....

You are at liberty to hate her ...
Wow! You're good!!! (Not!)

I never posted that I "hate" Justine Henin. I don't "hate" her. I love the way she hits the ball. I love her footwork. But because she is a cheater and dishonors the game, I'd never vote for her in the Hall Of Fame. (As if I had a vote.)



Who can really know how horrid it was for her at the time? Many people have had stomach pain so horrid it's paralysing, and it can come in waves and feel better a short time later.
See above. You are giving your own "diagnosis" the benefit of the doubt. I'll stick with mine, thanks.

When you were playing your opponent, did you have 15000 people in the stands and 50 million watching on TV ...
What does this have to do with her infamous departure?

... and an expectation that you'd make less than 1 UE a game, not to mention stunning regular winners?
Now you are inventing conditions which didn't even exist.

How much of a farce did you and everyone watching really want it to descend into?
How much more of a farce could it have been? (Really?) Without your exaggerated hypotheticals.

I remember a match one of your OZ Greats played -- in the mid-'70s I think -- where Newk played many games on a badly sprained ankle in the Quarters or Semis. Then, when he was serving for Match Point, he retired. A reporter ask him why he didn't try to even serve an ace and win the match, which would have gotten him into the next round (and a bigger payday). Newk's response was something like, "Now, how would that have been for the fans? To come to a late round match only to learn I had to default because of my ankle?"

I remember the reporter looking pretty sheepish after that reply.

Now *that's* an example of a player who honors the game and demonstrates class....


- KK
 
I hear she is actually a fashion designer/actress/ recent Jr college graduate
and is now getting all her apperances scheduled by an old photographer who sticks his glasses in his mouth by the ear piece.
 

ledor

Professional
Henin couldn't handle the pressure of being number one, and yes she is in her prime. I guess she just wants attention off her. At 25, didn't think her body and mind would break down that fast.
 

THUNDERVOLLEY

G.O.A.T.
So silly when some still try to defend Henin's cowardly "sick" act against Mauresmo; they actually find excuses for it!

I recall Sampras' memorable U.S. Open vomit-on-court incident...but he played on...unlike Henin.
 

BeHappy

Hall of Fame
My theories are:

1)I think Stepanek impregnated her

2)Yuri used his russian mafia connections to to force her out of the game

3)She's quitting tennis to concentrate on recreational drugs.
 
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1970CRBase

Guest
bet she's just bored with handling the screaming blustering bragging twofisting bashers. who needs it? after forcing out Hingis on trumped up charges, women's tennis has just lost it's last and only decent player.
 

wta_fan

Rookie
I think she's so brave. Most people never know when to quit. For me, Justine is the best WTA player, and i don't say it for the titles or the records,
its just the way she plays with such style and technique.

Its really sad but i wish her the best.
 
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