Should I be using a "tweener"

[Ross K]

Hi ya Jack,

I'm also in a similar situation...

Since end of last year when a few of us were wielding the YT Rad Pro, I've spent some time with the RD7 (awesome racket imo, but ultimately too much for me to swing, also VERY flexy, and a bit unpredictable generally.) The MG Pres mid for a very short, 'whirlwind romance' - ha, ha (absolutely seduced by the feel, but came to realize that the occasional sensational feeling shot isn't reason enough to go with a frame.) The Vantage 95 (not a whole lot wrong here, just didn't quite have that x-factor for me.) And the frame I seemed to settle on - the C10 Pro (always loved this racket for how it swings, and really discovered my kick serve with this.) But what I have come to belatedly appreciate is, for my aging hacker's game lol: ), I could quite possibly benefit from a more Bab-like stick (though I have some conflicting thoughts re heft and feel), or a frame that is more more overtly suited to big topspin b-line play... which is why I'm now in the process of looking at the PSTGT+ and APD/APDC.

My reasons for this are: 1. Over time (I've played XL rackets before a bit) I've seen some evidence to suggest that XL racks might really suit and benefit my game (especially re serve and 2hbh), so this is an idea that has been brewing a while. I also like the feel of the PST GT+ (and I agree with those who say it's better than the older red and balck one), although I will add that of course there's a trade off in negative effects re maneuverability/timing and some say in more all court aspects. ... And re the APD/APDC (I have 1 of each), this is simply a racket I literally can have a blast with... it's one of those fun, addictive frames that I always love playing with, and it fits my game very well... I'm thinking if I can master it (and 100" head-sizes, thick beams, mega-power, etc is a fair set of tasks to master), and especially living with the feel, etc, this could be a real contender... what this frame does well, it does very well indeed.

FWIW re Prince racks, well, you know I was a big fan of the Reb 95... I thought it swung very fast (sure it's zero to do with the holes), and was generally an excellent racket with nice power/control/stability combo (I do however prefer more open pattern. ) Also the SP Pro White is a frame I've hit with before and I thought it had a lot to commend it... a bit like a PD but nicer feel perhaps.

ATB,

R.

 

[rlau]

FWIW re Prince racks, well, you know I was a big fan of the Reb 95... I thought it swung very fast (sure it's zero to do with the holes), and was generally an excellent racket with nice power/control/stability combo (I do however prefer more open pattern. ) Also the SP Pro White is a frame I've hit with before and I thought it had a lot to commend it... a bit like a PD but nicer feel perhaps.

Have you played with or thought about using the Prince Ozone Tour or Ozone Tour Pro perhaps?

 

[Ross K]

Hey riau,

Presuming you're asking me and not Jack, I've never played either but the Ozone Tour has certainly had me asking enquiries about it very recently as a matter of fact... basically, I'd definitely give it a good look at I think.

R.

 

[chollyred]

chollyred,

Here's one ugly bag to match that logo of yours. This bag looks more like a deformed Bumblebee. What were the folks at Wilson thinking?

http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/Wilson_BLX_Pro_Bags_BlackYellow/descpageBGWILSON-BLXPBS6.html

The racquet is pushing it, but the bag is just wrong. :shock:

Where are those folks who do custom paintjobs for Wilson when I need them? Solid black or red & black sticks that is the ticket. Sharapova has it right with those blacked out Heads she's using.

Oooooo! I like it!

Of course I'd have to fight of a couple of my team mates that are UGA grads. I catch a lot of flack now for my GT visor and tees.

 

[skeeter]

Jack ,

I am kind of in the same boat as you I like the easy power that comes with a tweener but can't get past the fact that I love the way a players stick feels. I want to recreate that solid feel of a players stick but in a easier to handle light weight package. The Becker London is the closest I have come to thus far. Nice thin beam, plenty of power, not too heavy etc. The nice thing about this stick is that it could be easily customized so that as your game improves you have a stick that is more than capable of matching your game. I still go back and fourth between this and my 4D 200 16x19 ( very similar to the Becker London but slightly heavier) and will hopefully be able to commit to the point where I don't feel like I am compromising. The new Donnay line intrigues me as well as they seem to have a nice bunch of sticks that are thin beamed and spec out well. Too bad pricing is out of my league, maybe I can pick up a used one off the classifieds if one becomes available. I know you take a lot of heat for switching sticks here on the forum but rest assured you are not the only one with the same dilemma.

Well, after reading this thread for a few days and being new to TT, have to jump in as another 4.0ish, 50+ player that likes the feel of player's sticks but not comfortable with all the weight, for many of the same reasons already posted. So Ik'm liking the idea of trying out racquets that are in that player-tweener category, i.e., that have attributes of both.

Have been demo'ing the London as well as the PB10 lite the last few days. Really like the London; with an overgrip and dampener, weight is around 11.5 oz. Has great feel, comfortable, good control, and some decent pop. Really starting to like that racquet. Having said that, also like the feel of the PB 10 lite; it doesn't have as much power as the London so need to provide a bit more of your own power, and it's lighter (putting a little lead weight on it seems to help). It seems a little more "cushier" than the London. So, I'm liking both for different reasons. Anyone else compared these two?

Will also be trying out the two Pacific X Force racquets (I know Jack has been a fan of these) and the Youtek Radical MP, and maybe the Dunlp 4D's.

Keep posting results, guys!

 

[JackB1]

Will also be trying out the two Pacific X Force racquets (I know Jack has been a fan of these) and the Youtek Radical MP, and maybe the Dunlp 4D's.

Keep posting results, guys!

The Pacific and Dunlops are pretty low powered compared to what you are now trying. The Radical MP maybe a bit more, but all 3 of those are more player's racquets.

 

[GameSetMatch]

OK, so I am a 3.5 on the improve and have mostly been using "player's sticks". I am 50 yrs old and 6'1" 185 lbs. I am in pretty good shape, but sometimes get winded easily. It was suggested to me by some that I might benefit more by switching to a "tweener" and to be honest, I am not sold on the idea, but it might be an interesting experiment. My current stick is a Pacific XForce Pro and I am also testing a PB 10 MP. Prior to that: Dunlop 4D 300 Tour (leaded up), BBecker 11 MP, Wilson BLX 95. Even though my current level is 3.5, I have been told that my strokes and technique are a couple levels higher. My downfall is usually my footwork and fitness. I get tired after about 2 hours and my play gets sloppy and so does my footwork. Same thing will happen if I have several tough long rallies in a row. So would I really benefit from a lighter and more powerful "tweener"?

You've already answered your own question in your first paragraph. If you can't anticipate well enough, get to the ball, position yourself to make a shot, no racquet, whether tweener or ultra heavy player's racquet is going to make a difference. Yes, you could 'cheat' a little bit with a slightly more forgiving tweener racquet but against a good player you'll just be knocking back a ball that's going to allow your opponent to tee off with.

As you move up the levels, people are going to hitting balls so much faster, deeper and lower than what you're used to you. I remember when I first started playing tournament tennis that I was shocked at how solid tournament hardened players were and how they could grind all day. No racquet or strings is going to compensate for that if you don't already have the underlying game.

Just stick with a racquet that suits your game and which you're comfortable with and groove your game with that. Having said that, if you're struggling in getting around the court, try considering a 27.5" racquet. If you say that you can hit 4.5 strokes when you're planted and not under pressure, the extra 0.5" should easily be manageable whilst at the same time giving you a little bit of extra reach when you're stretched out.

I love the Dunlop 300 4d racquet, yet when hitting with a 4.5 friend, he just pushed me around bagelling me and beating me 1-1 when I was at my very best....

A correctly rated 4.5 will double bagel a 3.5 everytime no matter what racquet the 3.5 player is using. That's a huge gulf in levels. No racquet is going to make a difference.

 

[skeeter]

The Pacific and Dunlops are pretty low powered compared to what you are now trying. The Radical MP maybe a bit more, but all 3 of those are more player's racquets.

Probably so, but they're all on the lighter side (except for the XFP, all in low to mid 11oz range) and fairly flexible.

Can't remember, have you tried the London yet?

 

[Mig1NC]

Jack, check these out, just posted on TW:
http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/SolincoRacquets.html

I will definately have to demo that.

 

[JackB1]

Probably so, but they're all on the lighter side (except for the XFP, all in low to mid 11oz range) and fairly flexible.

Can't remember, have you tried the London yet?

Haven't tried the London yet....will do as soon as I find a used one.

 

[JackB1]

Jack, check these out, just posted on TW:
http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/SolincoRacquets.html

I will definately have to demo that.

The "8" looks interesting, but it has a very low swingweight.

 

[JackB1]

You've already answered your own question in your first paragraph. If you can't anticipate well enough, get to the ball, position yourself to make a shot, no racquet, whether tweener or ultra heavy player's racquet is going to make a difference. Yes, you could 'cheat' a little bit with a slightly more forgiving tweener racquet but against a good player you'll just be knocking back a ball that's going to allow your opponent to tee off with.

As you move up the levels, people are going to hitting balls so much faster, deeper and lower than what you're used to you. I remember when I first started playing tournament tennis that I was shocked at how solid tournament hardened players were and how they could grind all day. No racquet or strings is going to compensate for that if you don't already have the underlying game.

Just stick with a racquet that suits your game and which you're comfortable with and groove your game with that. Having said that, if you're struggling in getting around the court, try considering a 27.5" racquet. If you say that you can hit 4.5 strokes when you're planted and not under pressure, the extra 0.5" should easily be manageable whilst at the same time giving you a little bit of extra reach when you're stretched out.

I think you aren't giving me enough credit. When I point out these flaws in my game, they aren't HUGE flaws like you seem to be describing. I get myself in good position a good part of the time. I just thought I would try playing with a stick that makes the game A LITTLE easier for me and a tweener does that. But if I want to take a nice long, full swing, I still need to execute the same fundamentals that I would with any racquet or the ball is going to sail long. The main thing was I wanted more power, so I didn't have to swing so hard all the time to get the ball deep with pace.

I played a couple sets last night against a 4.5 and I did notice a difference. There were many ball at the edge of my reach I was able to flick back in and stay in the rally that I never would have been able to do with a player's racquet. Playing defensively with a lighter more powerful racquet is also much easier. I just have to get used to the additional power for full shots and also for touch shots. Drop shots require much less now, as do lobs.

 

[Power Player]

He is right though, it does boil down to your feet. It also matters how you swing. What you are going to notice is that the more you play, the more you will be prepped to hit 70-80% of your shots. Once this happens, you will be taking more full swings at the ball. So basically what I am saying is that you are going to want to work on your topspin strokes and make that low to high and across motion more and more of your main stroke.

The reason boils down to control. You are appreciating the power right now, and down the road you will need to control it. Because you will be hitting "full shots" more and more the better you get.

 

[0d1n]

Hi ya Jack,

I'm also in a similar situation...

Since end of last year when a few of us were wielding the YT Rad Pro, I've spent some time with the RD7 (awesome racket imo, but ultimately too much for me to swing, also VERY flexy, and a bit unpredictable generally.) The MG Pres mid for a very short, 'whirlwind romance' - ha, ha (absolutely seduced by the feel, but came to realize that the occasional sensational feeling shot isn't reason enough to go with a frame.) The Vantage 95 (not a whole lot wrong here, just didn't quite have that x-factor for me.) And the frame I seemed to settle on - the C10 Pro (always loved this racket for how it swings, and really discovered my kick serve with this.) But what I have come to belatedly appreciate is, for my aging hacker's game lol: ), I could quite possibly benefit from a more Bab-like stick (though I have some conflicting thoughts re heft and feel), or a frame that is more more overtly suited to big topspin b-line play... which is why I'm now in the process of looking at the PSTGT+ and APD/APDC.

My reasons for this are: 1. Over time (I've played XL rackets before a bit) I've seen some evidence to suggest that XL racks might really suit and benefit my game (especially re serve and 2hbh), so this is an idea that has been brewing a while. I also like the feel of the PST GT+ (and I agree with those who say it's better than the older red and balck one), although I will add that of course there's a trade off in negative effects re maneuverability/timing and some say in more all court aspects. ... And re the APD/APDC (I have 1 of each), this is simply a racket I literally can have a blast with... it's one of those fun, addictive frames that I always love playing with, and it fits my game very well... I'm thinking if I can master it (and 100" head-sizes, thick beams, mega-power, etc is a fair set of tasks to master), and especially living with the feel, etc, this could be a real contender... what this frame does well, it does very well indeed.

FWIW re Prince racks, well, you know I was a big fan of the Reb 95... I thought it swung very fast (sure it's zero to do with the holes), and was generally an excellent racket with nice power/control/stability combo (I do however prefer more open pattern. ) Also the SP Pro White is a frame I've hit with before and I thought it had a lot to commend it... a bit like a PD but nicer feel perhaps.

ATB,

R.

Hmmm, if you can't really tell precisely what's wrong with a racquet, I think it's time to play with it, get used to it, and stop second guessing yourself.
"X-Factor" (whatever that is) is not a real reason for not playing with a racquet that gives you the results.
Actually the "X-Factor" reasoning is something that pretty much proves that "it is in your head" and you don't actually want to commit...you just want to "play test". A bit like a single guy that doesn't want to get married even though he can't see a single thing wrong with his last girlfriend :twisted:.

 

[Power Player]

Good points Od1n. I personally don't expect Ross to ever get a racquet, he likes to try everything. Which is cool, but it would drive me mad personally.

It just takes to long to get used to one stick, that changing them out every few weeks would basically end up being an endless quest for me.

 

[BobFL]

Jack, I hope your game is improving as much as your avatar

I truly believe you are on the right track. Racquet can have a huge impact on everyone's game. In tennis we are measuring outputs not inputs. And those inputs are irrelevant if they cannot be delivered for say 3 fast-paced sets. Now, if you can:

a) deliver the same output with less input or
b) deliver more output with the same input

that is a simply great thing! Some racquets allow you to do exactly that. I found that kind of a racquet in PD. It is the same "me" just with more power, more stamina and better defense. I am sure you will find THE racquet that will do the same for you

 

[Mig1NC]

The "8" looks interesting, but it has a very low swingweight.

That's what they make lead tape for

 

[JackB1]

He is right though, it does boil down to your feet. It also matters how you swing. What you are going to notice is that the more you play, the more you will be prepped to hit 70-80% of your shots. Once this happens, you will be taking more full swings at the ball. So basically what I am saying is that you are going to want to work on your topspin strokes and make that low to high and across motion more and more of your main stroke.

The reason boils down to control. You are appreciating the power right now, and down the road you will need to control it. Because you will be hitting "full shots" more and more the better you get.

I am already hitting "full shots" most of the time. I am just not swinging as hard as I used to. But there is no difference in the fact that you need good technique to control the power. The only difference in using this racquet is that I dont have to swing as hard.

 

[JackB1]

Good points Od1n. I personally don't expect Ross to ever get a racquet, he likes to try everything. Which is cool, but it would drive me mad personally.

It just takes to long to get used to one stick, that changing them out every few weeks would basically end up being an endless quest for me.

I think getting used to a stick comes in 2 stages. The first stage happens quickly...maybe a few hours or days where you adjust to your new racquets weight, balance and power. Then the 2nd stage comes after about 2-4 weeks, where the adjustment period is over and the racquet feels like an extention of your arm. You no longer think about the racquet and just play.

 

[JackB1]

That's what they make lead tape for

True, but I want that combo of relativeley low static weight (11-11.5oz) with a swingweight of around 315-320.

 

[JackB1]

Now, if you can:

a) deliver the same output with less input or
b) deliver more output with the same input

that is a simply great thing! Some racquets allow you to do exactly that. I found that kind of a racquet in PD. It is the same "me" just with more power, more stamina and better defense. I am sure you will find THE racquet that will do the same for you

That's exactly what I'm trying to do, Bob. No racquet can magically fix faults or sloppy footwrk. But there ARE things a racquet CAN do for you.

If I get the same or better results with the tweener as I did with my previous "player's racquets", then mission accomplished. I have a league playoff singles match this weekend and that will be the first real "test".
I will get 1 or 2 more sessions with the EXO3 before that and should be pretty acclimated to the new stick by then.

 

[Power Player]

I am already hitting "full shots" most of the time. I am just not swinging as hard as I used to. But there is no difference in the fact that you need good technique to control the power. The only difference in using this racquet is that I dont have to swing as hard.

Well what made me say that is when you said when you played the 4.5 guy you were not getting to hit as many full shots.

All I am saying is you will want to keep developing your topspin strokes, because the more you play, the harder you will swing.

 

[JMcQ]

Jack,

I've read this thread with some interest; I, too, am switching from a "player's frame" to a "tweener." As a 4.0 player trying to move up to 4.5, I train and play hard. However, I'm not getting younger and later in matches, especially in matches against players that can outhit me, the heavier frame is fatiguing and difficult to get around. With a lighter, more powerful frame, I can flick more balls back especially on the backhand side (I have a one-handed backhand). This keeps me in more points. Also, I like having the extra power on the serve the "tweener" provides.

(The posters here that criticize your thought process because you should simply stick with your racquet and just improve your footwork, strokes, strength, get younger, or hire a full-time coach baffle me. In golf, nobody criticizes players for hitting more forgiving golf clubs and giving up their blades (player's golf clubs). Why can't you change frames AND put in extra work?)

My tweener search may help you in your search. I went from a BB 11 and now currently play a PSLtd GT. I've tried too many tweener frames to discuss all of them here but will give a quick rundown:

Wilson (BLX Pro Open, BLX Tour, Kblade 98) - Never really liked the feel of Wilsons. Tour was okay. No feel from the Pro Open. Kblade was probably the best of the bunch. Overall, Wilson's always feel jarring to me.

Babolat (Aero Storm GT, Pure Drive GT +) - Surprisingly, especially since I thought I would hate the frame, I LOVED the Pure Drive GT+. Power, spin, etc. Haven't played with it long enough to gauge effect on arm.

Volkl (PB8, PB9, V1 MP) - Although I liked the PB8 more than the 9, I didn't have that extension of the arm feeling I wanted. V1 MP felt great but was too light so my shots lacked weight.

Boris Becker (Pro, Delta Core London) - Really liked the Pro but only hit for a few minutes before breaking string. London was great on volleys and serves but too mushy on ground strokes.

Prince (EXO3 Black, Ignite Team, Hybrid 100) - Black was too stiff and offered very little feel. Ignite Team felt hollow. Love the Hybrid 100.

So far, my favorites are the Pure Drive +, the BB Pro, and the Prince Hybrid 100. All three were completely unexpected.

Still planning to demo - BB Delta Core Pro, Head YT Extreme MP.

 

[JackB1]

Well what made me say that is when you said when you played the 4.5 guy you were not getting to hit as many full shots.

All I am saying is you will want to keep developing your topspin strokes, because the more you play, the harder you will swing.

I already swing as hard as I am ever going to swing. But I agree, I want to keep developing my strokes and I will.

 

[JackB1]

Jack,

I've read this thread with some interest; I, too, am switching from a "player's frame" to a "tweener." As a 4.0 player trying to move up to 4.5, I train and play hard. However, I'm not getting younger and later in matches, especially in matches against players that can outhit me, the heavier frame is fatiguing and difficult to get around. With a lighter, more powerful frame, I can flick more balls back especially on the backhand side (I have a one-handed backhand). This keeps me in more points. Also, I like having the extra power on the serve the "tweener" provides.

(The posters here that criticize your thought process because you should simply stick with your racquet and just improve your footwork, strokes, strength, get younger, or hire a full-time coach baffle me. In golf, nobody criticizes players for hitting more forgiving golf clubs and giving up their blades (player's golf clubs). Why can't you change frames AND put in extra work?)

My tweener search may help you in your search. I went from a BB 11 and now currently play a PSLtd GT. I've tried too many tweener frames to discuss all of them here but will give a quick rundown:

Wilson (BLX Pro Open, BLX Tour, Kblade 98) - Never really liked the feel of Wilsons. Tour was okay. No feel from the Pro Open. Kblade was probably the best of the bunch. Overall, Wilson's always feel jarring to me.

Babolat (Aero Storm GT, Pure Drive GT +) - Surprisingly, especially since I thought I would hate the frame, I LOVED the Pure Drive GT+. Power, spin, etc. Haven't played with it long enough to gauge effect on arm.

Volkl (PB8, PB9, V1 MP) - Although I liked the PB8 more than the 9, I didn't have that extension of the arm feeling I wanted. V1 MP felt great but was too light so my shots lacked weight.

Boris Becker (Pro, Delta Core London) - Really liked the Pro but only hit for a few minutes before breaking string. London was great on volleys and serves but too mushy on ground strokes.

Prince (EXO3 Black, Ignite Team, Hybrid 100) - Black was too stiff and offered very little feel. Ignite Team felt hollow. Love the Hybrid 100.

So far, my favorites are the Pure Drive +, the BB Pro, and the Prince Hybrid 100. All three were completely unexpected.

Still planning to demo - BB Delta Core Pro, Head YT Extreme MP.

Have you tried the EXO3 White? I really like it so far.

I don't understand the Hybrid 100. Why is it so cheap compared to the rest of the EXO3 line? Makes me wonder where Prince cut corners to make s $99 MSRP racquet? I like the stiffness rating of 60! DOes it have the port holes like the White? Maybe they should raise the price and then I'll buy it

Sounds like I switched to a tweener for all the same reasons you mentioned in your first paragraph. It's funny how people start saying how "a racquet won't fix this......or a racquet won't hange that". Who is saying I am expecting that kind of thing anyway? All I want is a bit more power, bigger sweetspot and easier to swing for long matches? Nothing else about my game is going to change. I am going to work as hard as ever to improve my technique, footwork, etc. I am not looking for any "shortcuts" as some people have suggested.

 

[JMcQ]

Have you tried the EXO3 White? I really like it so far.

I don't understand the Hybrid 100. Why is it so cheap compared to the rest of the EXO3 line? Makes me wonder where Prince cut corners to make s $99 MSRP racquet? I like the stiffness rating of 60! DOes it have the port holes like the White? Maybe they should raise the price and then I'll buy it

I can't figure the price difference either, especially when other Prince racquets are priced so high. The Hybrid's port holes are only on the side. It has normal string holes at the upper and lower hoop (12 & 6). Thus they "hybrid" name. Have not tried the EXO3 White, yet.

 

[JackB1]

I can't figure the price difference either, especially when other Prince racquets are priced so high. The Hybrid's port holes are only on the side. It has normal string holes at the upper and lower hoop (12 & 6). Thus they "hybrid" name. Have not tried the EXO3 White, yet.

Another good "tweener" I want to try is the Youtek Instinct.

 

[Mig1NC]

True, but I want that combo of relativeley low static weight (11-11.5oz) with a swingweight of around 315-320.

If you polarize with lead at the tip (12 oclock) you can dramatically increase swing weight with very little increase to static weight.

EDIT: I just ran it through the Tennis Warehouse University Worksheet. 3g at 12 oclock on the Solinco Pro 8 would give you 318 static weight strung with a swing weight of 322.9.

 

[JMcQ]

If you polarize with lead at the tip (12 oclock) you can dramatically increase swing weight with very little increase to static weight.

EDIT: I just ran it through the Tennis Warehouse University Worksheet. 3g at 12 oclock on the Solinco Pro 8 would give you 318 static weight strung with a swing weight of 322.9.

Would be really interested to hear about how the Solinco plays. Solinco strings, especially the Tour Bite 17, are incredible. Plus, Solinco has great customer service and always responsive to my inquiries. I would gladly support them as a company if the racquet plays well.

 

[Ross K]

Od1n, Hmmm, if you can't really tell precisely what's wrong with a racquet, I think it's time to play with it, get used to it, and stop second guessing yourself.
"X-Factor" (whatever that is) is not a real reason for not playing with a racquet that gives you the results.
Actually the "X-Factor" reasoning is something that pretty much proves that "it is in your head" and you don't actually want to commit...you just want to "play test". A bit like a single guy that doesn't want to get married even though he can't see a single thing wrong with his last girlfriend .

Power Player Good points Od1n. I personally don't expect Ross to ever get a racquet, he likes to try everything. Which is cool, but it would drive me mad personally.

It just takes to long to get used to one stick, that changing them out every few weeks would basically end up being an endless quest for me.

I don't even even necessarily disagree (with Odin's point), but what's with that slightly censorious, 'holier than thou' tone? :-|

For the umpteenth time, some of us aren't tournament players or whatever, and are very happy and take inordinate pleasure looking at quite a lot of frames... is this so dreadful?... is this somehow against TT rules?... are people who love trying and playing with rackets (and are very often pretty knowledgeable about rackets to boot) not permitted to post up their thoughts or something?

Anyhow, I think you imagine I'm continually demoing 15 rackets every other week of the year?!... I don't think looking closely at 5 - 7 frames over a 9 month period constitutes trying 'everything' (this year I've had extended periods with the Rad Pro, RD7, MG Pres mid, VT 95, and C10 Pro. I have now begun looking at the APD and PSTGT+.)

In the name of of all TT racketaholics, I say unto you both: "Give us our freedom!.... stop with the oppression!"...:lol:

 

[Power Player]

You can do whatever you want. But understand that when you post here super excited about a racquet, it is a lot tougher for people to take it seriously, because you go cold on the same racquet pretty fast.

I don't care what you do personally. I am just saying that it after a while I could not take it anymore with the racquet demos, it just takes too long to adjust.

Switching up frames does keep things exciting though, I just don't always like that kind of excitement

 

[JackB1]

In the name of of all TT racketaholics, I say unto you both: "Give us our freedom!.... stop with the oppression!"...:lol:

Go get em Ross!!!

I say whatever gives you most enjoyment out of the sport. I enjoy playtesting frames and I also enjoy winning my matches, so I try and balance both.

 

[0d1n]

I don't even even necessarily disagree (with Odin's point), but what's with that slightly censorious, 'holier than thou' tone? :-|

For the umpteenth time, some of us aren't tournament players or whatever, and are very happy and take inordinate pleasure looking at quite a lot of frames... is this so dreadful?... is this somehow against TT rules?... are people who love trying and playing with rackets (and are very often pretty knowledgeable about rackets to boot) not permitted to post up their thoughts or something?

Anyhow, I think you imagine I'm continually demoing 15 rackets every other week of the year?!... I don't think looking closely at 5 - 7 frames over a 9 month period constitutes trying 'everything' (this year I've had extended periods with the Rad Pro, RD7, MG Pres mid, VT 95, and C10 Pro. I have now begun looking at the APD and PSTGT+.)

In the name of of all TT racketaholics, I say unto you both: "Give us our freedom!.... stop with the oppression!"...:lol:

Ross, if my post suggested a "holier than thou" attitude, then it was not intended. You can use whatever you want and switch racquets as many times as it makes you happy. Same with chicks .
Now...if you still have a 320 grams unstrung 31 cm balance 63 flex 16x19 Vantage racquet without the X-Factor for a very cheap price, I might consider it for an extended demo .

 

[OldButGame]

I don't even even necessarily disagree (with Odin's point), but what's with that slightly censorious, 'holier than thou' tone? :-|

For the umpteenth time, some of us aren't tournament players or whatever, and are very happy and take inordinate pleasure looking at quite a lot of frames... is this so dreadful?... is this somehow against TT rules?... are people who love trying and playing with rackets (and are very often pretty knowledgeable about rackets to boot) not permitted to post up their thoughts or something?

Anyhow, I think you imagine I'm continually demoing 15 rackets every other week of the year?!... I don't think looking closely at 5 - 7 frames over a 9 month period constitutes trying 'everything' (this year I've had extended periods with the Rad Pro, RD7, MG Pres mid, VT 95, and C10 Pro. I have now begun looking at the APD and PSTGT+.)

In the name of of all TT racketaholics, I say unto you both: "Give us our freedom!.... stop with the oppression!"...:lol:

You can do whatever you want. But understand that when you post here super excited about a racquet, it is a lot tougher for people to take it seriously, because you go cold on the same racquet pretty fast.

I don't care what you do personally. I am just saying that it after a while I could not take it anymore with the racquet demos, it just takes too long to adjust.

Switching up frames does keep things exciting though, I just don't always like that kind of excitement

I take Ross's stuff seriously,...I enjoy that enthusiasm,..and relate to it,...probably 'cuz i'm a raquetholic too,....it all depends on the reader,....

 

[Ross K]

Ross, if my post suggested a "holier than thou" attitude, then it was not intended. You can use whatever you want and switch racquets as many times as it makes you happy. Same with chicks .
Now...if you still have a 320 grams unstrung 31 cm balance 63 flex 16x19 Vantage racquet without the X-Factor for a very cheap price, I might consider it for an extended demo .

Ha ha!...............

 

[Ross K]

I take Ross's stuff seriously,...I enjoy that enthusiasm,..and relate to it,...probably 'cuz i'm a raquetholic too,....it all depends on the reader,....

OBG, thanks for that...


Jack, sorry for the 'threadnapping' here!... what's the latest info mate?


R.

 

[0d1n]

Ha ha!...............

I was being serious. I want the chance to play with that spec and I'm not going to pay full price for a new one AGAIN .
I was promised a demo of that spec over the phone the last time I ordered a couple of vantages (with different specs) but ... there was no demo to be found in the package :|.

 

[JackB1]

OBG, thanks for that...

Jack, sorry for the 'threadnapping' here!... what's the latest info mate?

R.

No problem. Nothing much to report yet. I am playtesting a EXO3 White. So far only used it for one session and so far so good. Takes some getting used to all that power, but I am hoping that a little less effort into my swings will translate to me having a little more energy towards the end of long matches. I does feel easier to play with, that's for sure.

I will also be testing a BLX Pro Open as soon as I can get my hands on one and probably go with one of those 2 for the next 6 month's and see if my game improves. I might try a Head Instinct also.

 

[0d1n]

No problem. Nothing much to report yet. I am playtesting a EXO3 White. So far only used it for one session and so far so good. Takes some getting used to all that power, but I am hoping that a little less effort into my swings will translate to me having a little more energy towards the end of long matches. I does feel easier to play with, that's for sure.

I will also be testing a BLX Pro Open as soon as I can get my hands on one and probably go with one of those 2 for the next 6 month's and see if my game improves. I might try a Head Instinct also.

One of the best tweeners available in my book. I've only tried the LM and Flexpoint...between those two I would go with the LM. Much more comfortable, similarly or slightly less powerful than the FXP, and more stable.
Think about it as a more control oriented and much more comfortable pure drive .

 

[10ACE]

You can do whatever you want. But understand that when you post here super excited about a racquet, it is a lot tougher for people to take it seriously, because you go cold on the same racquet pretty fast.

I don't care what you do personally. I am just saying that it after a while I could not take it anymore with the racquet demos, it just takes too long to adjust.

Switching up frames does keep things exciting though, I just don't always like that kind of excitement

First Jack. Good luck with the twiner I think u r making the wise decision.

PP I just noticed u switched from ur 4D 200- to the 300 tour- reasons?

 

[0d1n]

First Jack. Good luck with the twiner I think u r making the wise decision.

PP I just noticed u switched from ur 4D 200- to the 300 tour- reasons?

I would bet on weight and sw difference .

 

[JackB1]

First Jack. Good luck with the twiner I think u r making the wise decision.

PP I just noticed u switched from ur 4D 200- to the 300 tour- reasons?

He switched because he was having wrist pain and wanted something similar but it a lighter package.

 

[JackB1]

One of the best tweeners available in my book. I've only tried the LM and Flexpoint...between those two I would go with the LM. Much more comfortable, similarly or slightly less powerful than the FXP, and more stable.
Think about it as a more control oriented and much more comfortable pure drive .

The Head Instinct is a racquet that RARELY gets mentioned here or anywhere. Very underrated and overlooked and seems to be a middle of the road racquet that could be used by a wide variety of players. If it weren't for that damn Head grip shape!!! I might try going one grip size down and build up the long sides of the pallet to try and make it more rounded. The specs on paper at least seem ideal.

 

[OldButGame]

One of the best tweeners available in my book. I've only tried the LM and Flexpoint...between those two I would go with the LM. Much more comfortable, similarly or slightly less powerful than the FXP, and more stable.
Think about it as a more control oriented and much more comfortable pure drive .

^^^^ I would have to echo these sentiments,....I find the LM Radical to be a great racquet,...in very many ways...all ive used for most this summer,....cant bring myself to pickup any other stick.......(very often),...

 

[0d1n]

The Head Instinct is a racquet that RARELY gets mentioned here or anywhere. Very underrated and overlooked and seems to be a middle of the road racquet that could be used by a wide variety of players. If it weren't for that damn Head grip shape!!! I might try going one grip size down and build up the long sides of the pallet to try and make it more rounded. The specs on paper at least seem ideal.

Well, Head's efforts to market it are non existent. They give pro players that use the instinct an "extreme" paint job...I rest my case. The grip shape idea could be a good one.
I'm doing something similar with my Volkl handles. I have a grip #3, and I've built the appropriate bevels with some head tape. The size is close to #4 now, and the shape is much more bearable for me.

 

[JackB1]

Well, Head's efforts to market it are non existent. They give pro players that use the instinct an "extreme" paint job...I rest my case. The grip shape idea could be a good one.
I'm doing something similar with my Volkl handles. I have a grip #3, and I've built the appropriate bevels with some head tape. The size is close to #4 now, and the shape is much more bearable for me.

Thats what I would do ...make a 3/8 into a 1/2. I was thinking of glueing some of those light wood sticks they have for stirring coffee at the convenience stores. Sticking them along the handle on the wide sides.
Should work pretty good without adding much weight. I also have some build up tape that is used for golf grips...that might work too.

 

[neverstopplaying]

You might find the coffee sticks a little too thick and maybe not wide enough. You can get some balsa wood from a hobby shop for a few bucks, glue it one and trim with a blade. Perfect.

I used to do this with Volkls but I finally just got used to the shape.

 

[Power Player]

First Jack. Good luck with the twiner I think u r making the wise decision.

PP I just noticed u switched from ur 4D 200- to the 300 tour- reasons?

Yes. I injured my wrist and had to go lighter. So far so good.

I will add that I may grab a Tfight 305, just because TF makes amazing sticks and this is a very unique one. I started playing tennis again with the Tfight 335 series, and the 300T is the same mold. And I also may try the regular Dunlop 300. I am just interested in contrasting string patterns one more time in very similar racquets.

I am the weird player that hits with modern strokes and uses heavy spin, but I use a closed 18x20 pattern. It seems to flatten the ball out a little and give me heavier shots. Im also interested in seeing how stiff a racquet I can handle.

 

[Mig1NC]

Jack, have you ever hit with a Head Youtek Speed series racquet? Supposedly they have a much more traditional shape.

What I have heard of people doing is taking a Head Youtek Speed grip pallet and mounting it on a Head Youtek Radicial (or whatever you want).

But, I also had a question for you: Back when you were hitting with heavy frames, did you use a tecnique to relax and let the mass of the heavy frame do most of the work for you? That's the real beauty of heavy frames IMHO. Trust me, I am a scrawny out of shape white-collar desk-jockey in my late 30's and by letting the frame do the work for me, I can get through a pretty long match without loosing too much energy. And when I am returning a heavy serve, the extra mass really helps.

 

[JackB1]

Jack, have you ever hit with a Head Youtek Speed series racquet? Supposedly they have a much more traditional shape.

What I have heard of people doing is taking a Head Youtek Speed grip pallet and mounting it on a Head Youtek Radicial (or whatever you want).

I was actually looking at the Speed Elite. Seems to be a perfect "tweener".
The Speed's do have a more traditional grip shape.

Yes, when I was using heavier frames, I tried to relax and let the weight of the racquet do the work. It still has an impact though, no matter how relaxed you are.