Should major count be determined based on ELO or some other ratings based on the quality of opponents faced?

[ND-13]

The toughness of the draws vary quite a bit. Griekspoor, Musetti and Korda played well and out of their skin. Tsitsipas as a QF opponent is way tougher than first time QF Dmitrov or Ruud for that matter.


Zverev : Nadal-Goffin-Griekspoor-Rune-Medvedev-Djokovic-Alcaraz/Sinner

Djokovic - Musetti-Cerundulo-Ruud-Zverev-Alcaraz/Sinner

Alcaraz : Korda- FAA-Tsitsipas-Sinner-Djokovic/Zverev

Sinner : Kotov-Moutet-Dmitrov-Alcaraz-Djokovic/Zverev


Would you be ok if a scientific algorithm to award a major count based on the quality of play opponents displayed ?

 

[Better_Call_Raul]

What the hell is ELO?

 

[ekucheraw]

What the hell is ELO?

Think Chess ratings: win, number go up. Lose number go down. Beat someone with big number, number go up a lot. Lose to someone with small number, number go down a lot

 

[SonnyT]

Do you mean some science-based formula awards slam championships? No way! The winner will sucker whatever formula came up with!

Part of sports is its inherent unpredictability. But it will be evened out.

 

[Technology Ruined Tennis]

Kevin Anderson fist-pumping intensifies

 

[ND-13]

Do you mean some science-based formula awards slam championships? No way! The winner will sucker whatever formula came up with!

Part of sports is its inherent unpredictability. But it will be evened out.

I am saying a major won through tough draws should count something like 1.25 majors and a weak one around 0.5-0.75 major.

If a lower ranked player beats 2 top ranked players and a top ranked player beats the same 2 top players, they get the same weightage. But if the opponents played exceedingly well, then the winner gets a little extra credit.

 

[accidental]

Yes. Take the race away from the players themselves into the hands of faceless nerds. That’s what the people want

 

[Mainad]

What the hell is ELO?

 

[GabeT]

Ultimate Tennis Stats already does this and it doesn't change the rankings

Ultimate Tennis Statistics - Most Grand Slam Titles Adjusted by Difficulty

Most Grand Slam Titles Adjusted by Difficulty at Ultimate Tennis Statistics

www.ultimatetennisstatistics.com

 

[ND-13]

Ultimate Tennis Stats already does this and it doesn't change the rankings

Ultimate Tennis Statistics - Most Grand Slam Titles Adjusted by Difficulty

Most Grand Slam Titles Adjusted by Difficulty at Ultimate Tennis Statistics

www.ultimatetennisstatistics.com

There are flaws with that . Pete’s majors are devalued while the big 3 are inflated

 

[GabeT]

There are flaws with that . Pete’s majors are devalued while the big 3 are inflated

You asked for an algorithm-based difficulty adjustment of slams won. That’s what that is. If you have an alternative option by all means tell us what it is.

 

[Neptune]

This was written in 2020 when the slam race was 20-20-17.
Fed 20 -> 17.9
Rafa 20 -> 19
Nole 17 -> 18.1

Not All Twenties Are Created Equal – Heavy Topspin

 

[tennis3]

Medvedev beat

1. The all time GOAT
2. Going for the Calendar Year Grand Slam
3. And made him cry

That's got to be worth 25 Slams

 

[UnforcedTerror]

This was written in 2020 when the slam race was 20-20-17.
Fed 20 -> 17.9
Rafa 20 -> 19
Nole 17 -> 18.1

Not All Twenties Are Created Equal – Heavy Topspin

Interesting.

According to this study, Nole at 17 > Fed at 20.

So the gap between them now while Djoko is at 24 must be far bigger than people think it is. Crazy.

 

[Robert F]

No because how far do you go.
You can use it as a way to weight various champions accomplisments but it should not be an official measure.

So should someone get extra points for their slam win if they won it while injured or sick?
Should conditions factor in there? Win a slam during a week with high temps and humidity? Or win when the wind is blustering at 35mph?
Should we factor in how fresh the player is? If they played every week vs. someone just playing big events?
How do you factor in earlier eras that didn't have poly?
Do we also need to weight the value of the slam itself? Oz used to be the least attended slam by pros? So should wins pre 1990 count less?
Maybe viewership and attendance should weigh how valuable the slam was?
How do you factor who chose not to attend?

 

[socallefty]

There is only one scoreboard in a sporting contest and it is not on some nerd’s computer. What are the odds that OP has never competed in any sport at even a high school team or college level? It is an insult to any athlete who goes into the arena to come up with suggestions like this.

 

[FlaredButt]

Yes. Take the race away from the players themselves into the hands of faceless nerds. That’s what the people want

on the nose. why can’t nerds stick to star trek and leave sports alone.

but seriously they already ruined baseball. go away nerds.

 

[Dane_is_Finnish_OJ]

Came here for that.

 

[SonnyT]

There are flaws with that . Pete’s majors are devalued while the big 3 are inflated

Yeh, Sampras always had the hardest. Like '93 UO when he beat Volkov & Pioline in semis & finals.

Some people an algorithm is an answer to anything.

 

[SonnyT]

Sampras's 14 trails Big3 because he didn't win any RG, and retired too soon, not because the slams of B3 were inflated.

Slam entries: Sampras - 52; Federer - 81. Federer, on Sampras schedule, should've won (14/52)x81 = 21.8, which is larger more than actual 20.

 

[Gary Duane]

The toughness of the draws vary quite a bit. Griekspoor, Musetti and Korda played well and out of their skin. Tsitsipas as a QF opponent is way tougher than first time QF Dmitrov or Ruud for that matter.


Zverev : Nadal-Goffin-Griekspoor-Rune-Medvedev-Djokovic-Alcaraz/Sinner

Djokovic - Musetti-Cerundulo-Ruud-Zverev-Alcaraz/Sinner

Alcaraz : Korda- FAA-Tsitsipas-Sinner-Djokovic/Zverev

Sinner : Kotov-Moutet-Dmitrov-Alcaraz-Djokovic/Zverev


Would you be ok if a scientific algorithm to award a major count based on the quality of play opponents displayed ?

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Kralingen]

Yes. Take the race away from the players themselves into the hands of faceless nerds. That’s what the people want

Spreadsheet Brigade, I call it.

It seems like OP is actually a future iteration of AI chatbots attempting to dehumanize every aspect of life.

 

[Poisoned Slice]

Spreadsheet Brigade, I call it.

It seems like OP is actually a future iteration of AI chatbots attempting to dehumanize every aspect of life.

All bout them win shares, honey.

 

[RS]

Spreadsheet.

 

[Kralingen]

All bout them win shares, honey.

You don’t need advanced VORP or WS/48 to know that LeBron is the best, bud.

 

[Poisoned Slice]

You don’t need advanced VORP or WS/48 to know that LeBron is the best, bud.

I feel the same about Luka. But unlike Marky, I will not disregard your opinion.

 

[ND-13]

Spreadsheet.

So, eye test or best of 10 , then ??

 

[NatF]

Elo is garbage.

 

[thrust]

Elo is garbage.T

TRUE!

 

[KingCarlitos]

No UTR is rigged and ELO is the same.

 

[Night Slasher]

what is ELO?

 

[RS]

How many punches you land in a round.