Murrayfan31
Hall of Fame
Nadal really is whiny isn't he? I don't know how he still has fans. His attitude is always grumpy and complaining.
Should Nadal be mad?
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ViscaB
Hall of Fame
Funny coming from a Murray fan
. The only one on this forum as well
. Regarding Nadal's attitude. He literarily said he will play if they tell him to do so. He's a professional. Still he can disagree with it.
I think it's entirely fair that they expressed concern. As the guys with perhaps the most clout (Rafa as the defending champ, Roddick as an American former champ, and Murray as a former runner-up), it was really their responsibility to say something. Sure, it's possible that the other guys wanted to keep playing, but it seems like a pretty big injury risk to continue. And if anyone was going to speak up, it falls to the top guys to do so.
Did Rafa seem excessively bitter? Eh, maybe. Compared to Roddick's more evenhanded and matter-of-fact take on things, sure. But they're different people with different personalities, so I wouldn't read too much into it. He has a right to be frustrated, in any case.
Did Rafa seem excessively bitter? Eh, maybe. Compared to Roddick's more evenhanded and matter-of-fact take on things, sure. But they're different people with different personalities, so I wouldn't read too much into it. He has a right to be frustrated, in any case.
LuvTheGame
Banned
Maybe it's a cultural thing and you will never understand it!
C
celoft
Guest
He was never winning this USO. He is incapable of defending a title outside of clay. Fact.
Clarky21
Banned
Agreed. In all the years he's been on the tour he has failed to defend one title off of clay. He was not about to start now.
marcub
Banned
Coming from a guy who's made tens of millions from tennis, the comment is a little screwed up. I'd love to see him comment along the same lines when he cashes in his prize at the end of the tournament. All of a sudden he got worried about the fans being screwed, right!
Tennis_Monk
Hall of Fame
If he is incapable of defending, how did he win in the first place ?
TopFH
Hall of Fame
I think players and fans have a right to be mad. Players can't compete and will be forced to play many days in a row. Fans won't get refunds for all the money they paid to see tennis. I know this firsthand, as I was forced to miss the final last year due to rain, and that my flight home was on Monday morning.
Crisstti
Legend
Are you serious?. The problem of course isn't about someone or something making money, but about HOW they make it. In this case, Nadal's criticism of the USTA was that they were willing to put player's health at risk, and cheat people, for money.
Did that really need an explanation?
Crisstti
Legend
Irrelevant.
marcub
Banned
Are you serious?. The problem of course isn't about someone or something making money, but about HOW they make it. In this case, Nadal's criticism of the USTA was that they were willing to put player's health at risk, and cheat people, for money.
Did that really need an explanation?
Yeah, a quick drawing would help please
The actual problem I was referring to is Humbalito's hypocrisy. All of a sudden it was all about money, the USTA was out to rob the fans - and Humbalito jumped to the rescue. Ain't that touching, $40 million later?
OddJack
G.O.A.T.
To blindfolded ********* yes
namelessone
Legend
It is irrelevant, and especially so in this thread.
Being one break down sucks but it's not like Nadal is out of this tourney. Nadal wasn't mad cause he was one break down but because he and Muller were forced to play in shi*ty conditions because USTA don't know how to properly organize a slam. Sort of reminds me of the conditions he had to play in with Gonzalez in 2009, when they played in some very windy conditions(especially towards the second tiebreak) and the ump stopped play in the middle of the tiebreak. When they came back the next day, Gonzalez couldn't be bothered with it and lost 6-0 in the third.
And it's not like Nadal is alone in this respect, many other complained as well. Try playing on a slippery surface and then come back and comment. As TennisandMusic said, anyone of these guys could have slipped and done potential damage to their bodies.
This tourney is kinda f**ked for many players now but hopefully they will get a roof and organize better next year. Hopefully.
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DownTheLine
Hall of Fame
If he was up 3-0 he wouldn't have one complaint.
drakulie
Talk Tennis Guru
Funny how he never complains when it is raining and he is playing on a clay court, given that there is nothing more slippery than those lines on a clay court.
Or how he never complains about the ruling authority when they fail to penalize him for his consistent time violations.
OddJack
G.O.A.T.
What r u talking about? Your fellow Nadalite said defending titles is irrelevant, I said its not.
as the organizer of this event, the usta takes financial responsibility for weather conditions. The fans who don't get to see what they paid for should not take the hit. No other sport allows this. They should be ashamed. They reap the financial rewards and should take into account normal weather patterns.
TiberiusGracchus
New User
I'm not a Nadal fan at all, maybe I'm even a bit of *******...But I am 100% behind Rafa on this one. Every ATP player should be upset with the peanut gallery that is the USTA. I've never seen athletes at any level be treated like this before.
namelessone
Legend
Wow drak, your trolling has gone down a notch. Way too obvious.
Why do you think they play on clay when it rains mildly? Because Nadal wills it?
Could it be because the clay soaks up some of the rain?
The lines are slippery on clay when it rains badly. The problem is that on HC and grass, the WHOLE F**KING COURT becomes slippery(very slippery on grass) when it starts to rain, even a bit.
ViscaB
Hall of Fame
Once. He made two DF in the game. One on BP.
ViscaB
Hall of Fame
He complained before play started....
Subventricular Zone
Rookie
Gotta love the Nadal haters in this board. One thing about them though is how consistent they are. Bravo!
Rain/drizzle/mist made the courts slippery---> Nadal complains that it's too dangerous to play--->it's Nadal's fault for complaining
What's funny here is that both Roddick and Murray complained in the same vein, and all the hate is directed at Nadal.
The point here is that all players should not be forced to play in dangerous conditions. Period.
Rain/drizzle/mist made the courts slippery---> Nadal complains that it's too dangerous to play--->it's Nadal's fault for complaining
What's funny here is that both Roddick and Murray complained in the same vein, and all the hate is directed at Nadal.
The point here is that all players should not be forced to play in dangerous conditions. Period.
drakulie
Talk Tennis Guru
Why do you think they play on clay when it rains mildly? Because Nadal wills it?
Could it be because the clay soaks up some of the rain?
Wasn't aware that the lines also soak up the rain. :roll: I'll make sure to tell the lines on clay courts here in the united states to soak up the rain. Let's see if that works.
also, would love to see nadal have the same passion he showed today in compaining about the decision to play, in his efforts to enforce the time rule.
Agreed.
They should also be forced to play by the rules and not allowed to consistently violate the rules of the game during a match,,,,,, match after match.
LuvTheGame
Banned
Wow that's is quite a profound statement. How about this - in a year or two when he retires you can carry his towel!
cc0509
Talk Tennis Guru
Me too. Nadal, Roddick and Murray had every right to complain. Why make the players go out for 15 minutes in wet conditions. Stupid.
cc0509
Talk Tennis Guru
Not being able to defend a non-clay title is far from irrelevant. Winning repeatedly on a surface shows your dominace against the field on that surface. The fact that Nadal at either number 1 or 2 in the world has never been able to defend off clay is just another factor that shows his mostly clay dominance.
Murrayfan31
Hall of Fame
Yeah it wasn't the rain that caused the bad start. It was Nadal's poor attitude.
drakulie
Talk Tennis Guru
It was only raining on Nadal's side of the court. The USTA set it up this way.
BULLZ1LLA
Banned
(He's won a slam every year since 2005. He sure hasn't been kind to them haters, some of which were actually born in 2005:shock
namelessone
Legend
It is irrelevant. If I win that(or those if we are talking multiple tourneys) HC/grass tourney once in every two years, I have won a couple of off-clay tournies yet I never defended any of them. But I still have the titles from the other years.
It's not that surprising when you consider the fact that 60% of the tour is played on Nadal's worst surface and that Rafa rarely plays in mickey mouse tournies.
Doha - a 250 but guys like Fed and Davydenko play it regularly.
The HC MS series - best of the best as far as HC there, very tough to win, even tougher to defend.
AO and USO - GS, nuff' said.
If Rafa played some smaller tourney EVERY YEAR since 05', like say China Open/Bangkok/Tokio, won it and failed to defend I would raise my eyebrows. But he doesn't. Over the years he has played in some small HC tourneys but I don't think he returned to any of them except China Open(and he didn't play it in consecutive years, 2005-2007-2009, winning in 2005),Dubai(2006-2007), Chennai(2007-2008 ), Rotterdam(2008-2009), Doha(2009-2011).
And out of these only Dubai is the only failed defense, as in WINNING it and coming back the next year and failing to do so.
And I certainly don't think Rafa would improve his HC status if he defended one of these smaller tournies once.Even Fed I think defended clay titles only once or twice, in Hamburg pre-Nadal era and Estoril I think. And I don't think anyone doubts Fed's clay abilities.
If you want to prove lack of domination over all surfaces, you go with total nr of titles or finals and such. Rafa has about 80% on clay.
It seems kinda funny to me b!tching that a guy failed to defend his titles off clay when he has won so few of them. Doesn't the fact that he won so few of these tell you something?
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namelessone
Legend
And why do you think that was? Maybe because he had to play on HC on a wet court? Not to mention that movement is far more important for Nadal than for Muller(who is reliant on serve more than movement) and having to worry about sliping with every footstep does not really help him focus on his game.
Also, RODDICK and MURRAY complained as well.
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I don't care if he wins or not, I want them to have equal chances. If the top half gets a day of rest and the bottom half plays 4 days in a row then it is not fair.
This happened to Ferrero in 2003 and he had nothing left for the final. If players keep on accepting this nothing will change.
namelessone
Legend
+10.
USO needs to step up and get roofs on the smaller courts. Freaking WB did it and they are suckers for tradition. It's only natural that if you have your tourney in what are normally rainy conditions(WB in England's rainy climate, USO in September NY, when rain showers aren't that uncommon from what I've heard, not to mention more extreme weather), you have to have SOME roofs.
Even the French, whose clay can take a bit of rain no problem are considering roofs.
Also, it's funny that the haters are b!tching on Nadal(nothing new actually), when Roddick,Murray and Ferrer(among others) confirmed that the courts were wet and it was still drizzling out when they took the field.
Nadal is not the problem. I am not a Rafa freak (great player though) but he should recieve a giant wave of graditude by both the players and the fans. He has taken a tough stand against the machine that is killing the sport. He basically called it out...."its always about the money isnt it". He gained nothing from this stance and by bringing it to public awareness he puts himself in a tough position with the all powerful in the machine. It takes a lot of guts to call out the USTA and ATP to a public audience.
THANK YOU Rafeal Nadal for making a stand and making an effort to protect the sport. You showed me a lot this tournament. Things more important than just winning another title.
THANK YOU Rafeal Nadal for making a stand and making an effort to protect the sport. You showed me a lot this tournament. Things more important than just winning another title.
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