Or, like many people with mental illness do, they remove themselves from situations they don't want to be part of. And instead of people acknowledging it they tell her she should quit the sport and bully her. Let's not act like these trolls wouldn't push Naomi to the brink of a cliff with no other option. Mental health is so important and you have people here mocking her for it. It's disgusting.
Yeah she did mess up. But mocking her and attacking her and have people belittling mental health saying she's weak, triggered, a snowflake? What do they want? Her to quit the sport or heaven forbid commit suicide? Do people not understand depression and mental illness? It's disgusting what's being posted. Take a step back and realize what's at stake here.
All the more reason she should have handled it with greater care. Tell me how does needlessly escalating a battle you cannot win help your mental health issues? I would be very curious to know how that works. She starts off in top gear giving the French Open very little time to react and then, seeing that the wind isn't blowing her way, regretfully backs down. What was gained for her from the whole episode? Nothing. If she really does have a publicist who was dumb enough to advise her of this course of action, she should fire that person ASAP.
Why should I 'realize' that? I am sorry but is Osaka related to me or my friend? Oh, you want me to show humanly empathy? Ask yourself whether she showed that empathy to Bajin when she dissed him in press conferences. Explain why this woman who is so shy and miserly of words somehow finds the required vocab to rudely attack his efforts? Please, this woman needs a lot of talking to to straighten out things. Consider also that the pushback is so vicious because there is an army of people like yourselves ready to attack anybody who criticizes. THAT is disgusting too. Don't expect consideration if every debate is reduced to high pitched rhetoric.
Again I fully agree. I'm not saying she didn't come in guns ablazing. But to have people attacking her, belittling her mental health, saying disgusting things, things that would push people over the edge? It's disgusting and yet look at the comments we've seen, mods had to literally restrict threads because the vitriol going her way was so bad. People here wouldn't care if she killed herself because of her mental demons. They say she's lying and avoiding conferences due to her lack of clay experience. This is at the end of the day a 23 year old who is struggling. That's the point.
How would you feel if Osaka killed herself following all this vitriol and people saying she's a fake and a liar and a triggered snowflake? You wouldn't feel any remorse that you partook in attacking a vulnerable person, not considering the fact that she literally came out saying she has struggled with depression. Like how? She said she isn't ok, she quit the tournament, she hasn't even given a return date to the sport and people are attacking her? Do you not care about mental health?
She also shouldn't be hanging out on Twitter baiting haters with posts like Rent Free. Just leave that to the publicist and stay within a group of people you can trust to support you.
I have not personally attacked her. I don't have a Twitter account. I don't go around bashing celebs directly on twitter. I am allowed to discuss her actions with harsh words if I feel they are required on a tennis forum. Don't resort to emotional blackmail to shut down the discussion. I am not going to back off.
You didn't answer my question. How would you feel? All these people belittling her mental health battles and attacking her, accusing her of vile things. She is still a 23 year old, exposed to the entire world and being attacked by so many people. She tells us she's got depression and instead people continue to attack her wanting to hurt her. It's vile. I just hope she's ok while others here would be happy for her to go off a cliff.
I don't have to answer you. It's a pure hypothetical. We'll cross that bridge when we get there and I don't think we will FWIW.
Well it's sad that people are willing to bully someone to the point she could do the unthinkable and not consider the effects of attacking her. You can say she went about this the wrong way (which i've done numerous times) without saying the terrible things that's been posted and yet your side aren't even calling them out.
Yeah because saying she should avoid toxicity is totally about misplaced masculinity. What do you expect me to do if twenty somethings get so addicted to this useless medium and then can't handle it? Are they not accountable at all for their own actions? Why on earth would somebody with depression hang out on Twitter and read what haters have to say? It's insane. I don't understand it at any level.
Well I will start at the point YOUR side is ready to call out those who are too keen to jump to attack people for their perceived prejudices just because they have a different opinion. Don't think being righteous is an unalloyed blessing. It is tiresome and disgusting to deal with it in its own way.
Yeah I haven't done that so you should re-evaluate. I'm sure it's tiresome and disgusting. However the treatment of Osaka in the last 24 hours has been vile and disgusting and should be called out.
It's not just twitter you fool. It's everyday life, it's other social media, it's on the streets, it's in the hallways at tournaments, it's at press conferences. It's negative and vile comments from countless people for someone who is struggling mentally. Do you not understand or care about mental health? You could be the richest man in the world and still have depression, it's a chemical thing.
You haven't called out those who do either. Not so far. See, I didn't say a single goddamn bigoted thing about her and still I get a dude accusing me of sexism in essence. Of course I don't take offence to such idiots in the slightest but why is there no accountability for people like them? And there are way too many. They never take back their words even if later proved wrong. I could respond positively to requests to be more sympathetic to her but I am basically going to shut down once people get into virtue signalling. Not interested, sorry. Over and out.
How can you, how did you...Oh my God, you are psychotic!
Be that as it may, she can shut down as many toxic influences as are under her control. As she wanted to with press conferences. It is an addiction and needs to be dealt with too. I know a much older dude who has depression and he too then spends time picking fights with random strangers on facebook and then gets upset. It's bad that she has haters but you don't seem to understand that anybody of her level of fame is going to have haters. Her problem isn't unique to have for a celebrity. Whoever her handlers are, are not doing a good job.
Have YOU done that research, mr know it all, and if so, would you kindly share the same here?
Or she could remove herself from the situations altogether but yall just want to attack her for that don't you? She shuts out toxic influences and you criticize her. It's astounding. You'd rather she'd be bullied into quitting the sport and not addressing the issues at hand. It's staggering.
I've never said sexism, i've said lack of care about mental health but not sexism. As for the rest of your post your holding me account to something others have supposedly done that I haven't gone out of my way to call out. You ignored what I said about Osaka and her being attacked and how posters here would push her to suicide. Address that and i'll address your claims people throw the word sexist easily.
I don't have depression. Not even reading your atrocious comments can do that to me.
But which poster here has pushed her to suicide by the same token? If you want to make out that I am assailing a strawman, you are too.
You somehow went from no press conferences to no matches being played. Talk about a long bow. There is clearly a discussion to be had although you'd like to pretend it's as simple as nobody plays a match and everybody gets a trophy. What a joke.
No, no and no. All that happened is people criticized her action of taking the news to social media without even giving tournaments and the media a chance to react. And then people like you overreacted and escalated the argument. At which point you will then turn around and blame her critics at large.
Collectively attacking a 23 year old woman cause she wants a break and then mocking her and criticizing her and not understanding mental health. Why don't you have compassion? Why can't you give some understanding?
Absolutely not. Some rules have been set up, which ones do you want scrapped?
Again, who has collectively attacked her? If some dudes on twitter did that doesn't mean you can pin it on me via guilt by (remote and far fetched) association. If you do, then I can likewise pin the virtue signalling of others on you since you have done that in the past.
No, people said she was lying, she was a snowflake, the generation is soft and she should quit tennis. They'd be happy for her to quit the sport and do far worse. You have no respect for mental health.
Why should I have to have anything? You are the one sick from an overload of communist propaganda.
Have the press conference the day after a loss instead of within minutes of losing. Simple. Done. Let's them compose themselves and not break down and cry.
You have given no empathy to Osaka, you have not criticized the vitriol here, you have given 0 understanding to the situation. You have shown you don't acknowledge her mental health claim.
Who said, which people said? Did people on here say so? If so, that is wrong. But again, what does that have to do with anything I said? Did you see me say anywhere that I doubt she has depression, especially now that she has said so?
I can only start to give empathy to Osaka when constructive and valid criticism is also not mercilessly attacked. You are not giving me that opportunity. Unwittingly or not, you are enabling the 'hate' you so sincerely despise.
Yes countless people here have done so and it's nice to see you somewhat condemn it. And it's got to do with you because you haven't given any understanding to her situation. If you think she does have depression and you offer nothing but negative comments what's that say about you? And i'm not baiting you, i'm showing how serious mental illness is.
Pressers are an hour after the match, only the winner gets interviewed minutes after
