Should Naomi Osaka pull a Marshawn Lynch at press conferences?

[Aussie Darcy]

I can only start to give empathy to Osaka when constructive and valid criticism is also not mercilessly attacked. You are not giving me that opportunity. Unwittingly or not, you are enabling the 'hate' you so sincerely despise.

How about you say

I sympathize with Naomi Osaka and hope she recovers from her clear mental health issues. I hope upon her return she will recognize her mistakes in her comments and do press with courtesy from the public and journalists who are sensitive to the situation.

 

[Dolgopolov85]

Pressers are an hour after the match, only the winner gets interviewed minutes after

Fine but we don't have to have pressers for the loser. Or keep a curtailed one, don't prolong their agony.

 

[Aussie Darcy]

Pressers are an hour after the match, only the winner gets interviewed minutes after

Either way, have it the next day. Nothing like a good nights sleep to reflect and not be in the height of emotions no?

 

[Dolgopolov85]

How about you say

I sympathize with Naomi Osaka and hope she recovers from her clear mental health issues. I hope upon her return she will recognize her mistakes in her comments and do press with courtesy from the public and journalists who are sensitive to the situation.

Don't you realize that as long as I feel you are trying to coerce me to say something, I won't? This is not about Osaka, this is about you. I don't enjoy being badgered to say something and I am sure you wouldn't in my place.

 

[Aussie Darcy]

Don't you realize that as long as I feel you are trying to coerce me to say something, I won't? This is not about Osaka, this is about you. I don't enjoy being badgered to say something and I am sure you wouldn't in my place.

Come up with it in your words then. Defend her mental health, that's all I want.

 

[Keizer]

Have the press conference the day after a loss instead of within minutes of losing. Simple. Done. Let's them compose themselves and not break down and cry.

Yeah, like anyone wants to chill around the tournament for a whole day after losing, just to rehash the previous day's match in detail the next day. I'd want to GTFO ASAP.

There are boomers here who will use this episode to indict an entire generation. That is an extreme position. But brushing aside the multiple missteps taken by the Osaka camp in their handling of the situation just because of her revealing she has had episodes of depression is not a reasonable position either.

For example, what does her depression have to with her/her camp bashing the entire tennis journalist fraternity and implying that the act of a presser itself amounts to an assault on the mental health of ALL tennis players? This is clearly Osaka's personal issue -- why try to make it a tour wide issue?

 

[Dolgopolov85]

Come up with it in your words then. Defend her mental health, that's all I want.

As long as you insist, I won't. I am an individual of free will. I will offer what support I have to privately. You cannot and will not compel me to. No seriously, I don't care what you say. But you cannot do this, you cannot try to dictate what we have to say. This kind of word policing has done enough damage already. Again, if you really care as much about Osaka as you claim to, just back off. Wait, I am going to help you out here by not responding to any further posts on these lines imploring me to say this or that. You are unable to stop so I will. It's late in Australia, get some sleep.

 

[Aussie Darcy]

Yeah, like anyone wants to chill around the tournament for a whole day after losing, just to rehash the previous day's match in detail the next day. I'd want to GTFO ASAP.

There are boomers here who will use this episode to indict an entire generation. That is an extreme position. But brushing aside the multiple missteps taken by the Osaka camp in their handling of the situation just because of her revealing she has had episodes of depression is not a reasonable position either.

For example, what does her depression have to with her/her camp bashing the entire tennis journalist fraternity and implying that the act of a presser itself amounts to an assault on the mental health of ALL tennis players? This is clearly Osaka's personal issue -- why try to make it a tour wide issue?

A whole day? I said the next day, otherwise if it's the first match up then give them say 8 hours to debrief. And also her point stands, we've seen many interviews where players breakdown after a loss. Perhaps a discussion needs to be had about press conferences for losers and how soon after the match they come. Also she didn't attack any journalists, just pointed out that some ask negative questions. I saw a clip last night where a journo asked how Sharapova could be happy with her win if she has no boyfriend. It's a joke what these questions are. perhaps they should be vetted.

 

[Aussie Darcy]

As long as you insist, I won't. I am an individual of free will. I will offer what support I have to privately. You cannot and will not compel me to. No seriously, I don't care what you say. But you cannot do this, you cannot try to dictate what we have to say. This kind of word policing has done enough damage already. Again, if you really care as much about Osaka as you claim to, just back off. Wait, I am going to help you out here by not responding to any further posts on these lines imploring me to say this or that. You are unable to stop so I will. It's late in Australia, get some sleep.

That's all good. You refuse to defend mental health publicly, got it. I respect your decision, it's clear to everyone where you stand on mental health and Osaka. You don't care whatever happens. Anyway, I wish you all the best.

 

[JustMy2Cents]

The issue is even after a win, there are questions as to whether the form is good enough. whether the next match is going to be tough because of the H2H with that opponent etc.

Many , many players were asked about Naomi's 1st salvo about not doing pressers, they all sympathized with her but declared they personally had no such issue.

Instead of assigning all blame to the organizations, may be Naomi's family and team can also step up and get her therapy and make her well. She says she has been in depression since USO 2018. Isn't it remiss of her family and team to let it fester to this level she could not do pressers for a slam?

 

[Keizer]

Also she didn't attack any journalists, just pointed out that some ask negative questions.

She attacked the entire act of a presser in her original statement. Let's not underplay what she said, please. There was nothing personal in that statement; it read like she was an impartial viewer of all press conferences who had come down from her ivory tower to impose judgment on the organizers of said conferences for the greater good. Her tone was aggressive and she basically dared them to fine her because she never thought they would have the nerve to throw her out.

 

[Aussie Darcy]

She attacked the entire act of a presser in her original statement. Let's not underplay what she said, please. There was nothing personal in that statement; it read like she was an impartial viewer of all press conferences who had come down from her ivory tower to impose judgment on the organizers of said conferences for the greater good. Her tone was aggressive and she basically dared them to fine her because she never thought they would have the nerve to throw her out.

And then they threatened her with a ban and then she quit the tournament and they scrambled to try to understand her issues. Any way you look at it, she had the 1 up. The slams threatened her with DQ because she said she wasn't mentally ok, she quits the slam and suddenly the head of RG does a presser apologizing and wishing the best to Osaka and then ironically does what Osaka did and doesn't take any questions. Oh the irony. The headlines were so funny where everyone attacked Naomi for not taking questions and then the head of the tournament or whatever he is announces her withdrawal and apologizes and then doesn't take questions! Laughable!

 

[Dolgopolov85]

The issue is even after a win, there are questions as to whether the form is good enough. whether the next match is going to be tough because of the H2H with that opponent etc.

Many , many players were asked about Naomi's 1st salvo about not doing pressers, they all sympathized with her but declared they personally had no such issue.

Instead of assigning all blame to the organizations, may be Naomi's family and team can also step up and get her therapy and make her well. She says she has been in depression since USO 2018. Isn't it remiss of her family and team to let it fester to this level she could not do pressers for a slam?

I cannot say for sure if it is that way with Osaka's family in particular (though the fact that Mari says somebody in their family criticized Osaka for being bad on clay suggests it is), but Asian households can be extremely materialistic whilst loftily accusing Western culture of decadent materialism. To be clear, this is coming from an Asian lest I have to deal with the next accusation of being 'racist' (not that I care what the SJWs have to say anyway). It is sad but not surprising that they would have sought to exploit her commercial potential while she can still play rather than trying to get her help. I mean, on the one hand, people cannot be parted from their work to get over depression, that could potentially make it worse. But if people in her family actually mock her for being bad on clay, that doesn't sound like a whole lot of understanding to me.

 

[Bartelby]

Virtue-signalling, SJWs - all the alt-right cliches. Ideologue, indeed!

I cannot say for sure if it is that way with Osaka's family in particular (though the fact that Mari says somebody in their family criticized Osaka for being bad on clay suggests it is), but Asian households can be extremely materialistic whilst loftily accusing Western culture of decadent materialism. To be clear, this is coming from an Asian lest I have to deal with the next accusation of being 'racist' (not that I care what the SJWs have to say anyway). It is sad but not surprising that they would have sought to exploit her commercial potential while she can still play rather than trying to get her help. I mean, on the one hand, people cannot be parted from their work to get over depression, that could potentially make it worse. But if people in her family actually mock her for being bad on clay, that doesn't sound like a whole lot of understanding to me.

 

[Dolgopolov85]

Virtue-signalling, SJWs - all the alt-right cliches. Ideologue, indeed!

Sincerely, Barty, one doesn't have to be alt right to dislike virtue signalling or SJWs. Rather, it is more apt to say your ideological bullying is going to flop. It's going to flop more and more because people can see right through it. Anyway, do tell me now that mr decent Biden has come to power, why is he dithering so much over Afghanistan? Why did so much pressure have to be put on him from the Left to get him to call out Israel? Why did he evoke due process to protect Andrew Cuomo? So is he essentially just a non bigoted Trump? Do you have some answers? Not exactly waiting with bated breath.

 

[Aussie Darcy]

She attacked the entire act of a presser in her original statement. Let's not underplay what she said, please. There was nothing personal in that statement; it read like she was an impartial viewer of all press conferences who had come down from her ivory tower to impose judgment on the organizers of said conferences for the greater good. Her tone was aggressive and she basically dared them to fine her because she never thought they would have the nerve to throw her out.

She was clearly referring to the countless press conferences where players cry and potentially leave aka Serena at this years AO. She didn't slam journalism or journalists, she didn't name names. She made her point and people are upset someone asked for some time from the match loss to the press conference. Also you say she dared them to fine her? They did fine her. And she withdrew from the tournament to not draw distraction but she's still the biggest talking point in tennis.

 

[mahesh69a]

Yeah she did mess up. But mocking her and attacking her and have people belittling mental health saying she's weak, triggered, a snowflake? What do they want? Her to quit the sport or heaven forbid commit suicide? Do people not understand depression and mental illness? It's disgusting what's being posted. Take a step back and realize what's at stake here.

Again I fully agree. I'm not saying she didn't come in guns ablazing. But to have people attacking her, belittling her mental health, saying disgusting things, things that would push people over the edge? It's disgusting and yet look at the comments we've seen, mods had to literally restrict threads because the vitriol going her way was so bad. People here wouldn't care if she killed herself because of her mental demons. They say she's lying and avoiding conferences due to her lack of clay experience. This is at the end of the day a 23 year old who is struggling. That's the point.

How would you feel if Osaka killed herself following all this vitriol and people saying she's a fake and a liar and a triggered snowflake? You wouldn't feel any remorse that you partook in attacking a vulnerable person, not considering the fact that she literally came out saying she has struggled with depression. Like how? She said she isn't ok, she quit the tournament, she hasn't even given a return date to the sport and people are attacking her? Do you not care about mental health?

Well it's sad that people are willing to bully someone to the point she could do the unthinkable and not consider the effects of attacking her. You can say she went about this the wrong way (which i've done numerous times) without saying the terrible things that's been posted and yet your side aren't even calling them out.

I've never said sexism, i've said lack of care about mental health but not sexism. As for the rest of your post your holding me account to something others have supposedly done that I haven't gone out of my way to call out. You ignored what I said about Osaka and her being attacked and how posters here would push her to suicide. Address that and i'll address your claims people throw the word sexist easily.

You mentioned suicide more in this thread than most of the rest of TTW put together (in this thread) - you almost seem to want it to happen so that you can do more virtue signalling. Just an observation. Continue your keyboard activism please, its not like you and your comrade ever stop.

Edit: I will quote/paraphrase myself from one of the numerous Osaka threads that was removed. "Imagine the plight of the normal people who are actually depressed and who don't have their support teams like she has (or don't have the finances to get the required therapy/medication".

 

[JustMy2Cents]

I cannot say for sure if it is that way with Osaka's family in particular (though the fact that Mari says somebody in their family criticized Osaka for being bad on clay suggests it is), but Asian households can be extremely materialistic whilst loftily accusing Western culture of decadent materialism. To be clear, this is coming from an Asian lest I have to deal with the next accusation of being 'racist' (not that I care what the SJWs have to say anyway). It is sad but not surprising that they would have sought to exploit her commercial potential while she can still play rather than trying to get her help. I mean, on the one hand, people cannot be parted from their work to get over depression, that could potentially make it worse. But if people in her family actually mock her for being bad on clay, that doesn't sound like a whole lot of understanding to me.

I didn't know that. Think may be the family should take better care of her, work environment alone can't be expected to do all the adjustments

 

[Aussie Darcy]

You mentioned suicide more in this thread than most of the rest of TTW put together (in this thread) - you seem to want it to happen so that you can do more virtue signalling. Just an observation. Continue your keyboard activism please, its not like you and your comrade ever stop.

Why don't you care about the possibility of mental health suicide which is so common? You're ok with bullying to the point of suicide? Criticize the vitriol on this thread, then come back to me. It's sad you'd rather get triggered over this then people attacking people who are at their lowest points. Shame on you.

 

[Keizer]

And then they threatened her with a ban and then she quit the tournament and they scrambled to try to understand her issues. Any way you look at it, she had the 1 up. The slams threatened her with DQ because she said she wasn't mentally ok, she quits the slam and suddenly the head of RG does a presser apologizing and wishing the best to Osaka and then ironically does what Osaka did and doesn't take any questions. Oh the irony.

Well, of course they scrambled. The tone of her initial statement did not indicate in ANY way that she was speaking from a personal clinical diagnosis (she literally used the generic term "mental health"), rather than for the general experience (which was subsequently debunked in the pressers of every other player that was asked to comment on this issue). Then she did not speak with them when they reached out privately, so they were blindsided by the diagnosis.

And who ever said she didn't have the moral advantage? She could've gone to a presser, punched someone, and then dropped the depression news and she would've had more than enough support.

 

[Aussie Darcy]

Well, of course they scrambled. The tone of her initial statement did not indicate in ANY way that she was speaking from a personal clinical diagnosis (she literally used the generic term "mental health"), rather than for the general experience (which was subsequently debunked in the pressers of every other player that was asked to comment on this issue). Then she did not speak with them when they reached out privately, so they were blindsided by the diagnosis.

And who ever said she didn't have the moral advantage? She could've gone to a presser, punched someone, and then dropped the depression news and she would've had more than enough support.

She mentioned mental health and instead of understanding her the 4 slams threatened her with a ban so she said ok i'll quit the tournament and they then backtrack big time because they didn't care about players mental health and tried to downplay their attack on her. She's now out of the tournament, everyone looking in sees how they criticized and threatened her with a ban instead of listening to her concerns. Such a bad look. If only they cared about mental health.

 

[esm]

And then they threatened her with a ban and then she quit the tournament and they scrambled to try to understand her issues. Any way you look at it, she had the 1 up. The slams threatened her with DQ because she said she wasn't mentally ok, she quits the slam and suddenly the head of RG does a presser apologizing and wishing the best to Osaka and then ironically does what Osaka did and doesn't take any questions. Oh the irony. The headlines were so funny where everyone attacked Naomi for not taking questions and then the head of the tournament or whatever he is announces her withdrawal and apologizes and then doesn't take questions! Laughable!

to be fair though... the way i see it is..
1. if Osaka was so sure about the state of her own mental health/situtation, then why did she start the FO? Was any support/guidance from her entourage?
2. by her starting the FO and then quite (doesn't mater what caused her decision making and/or plan in the making) - she was taking up a valuable spot from a LL/qualifier. i am sure it is well known the hardship of those lower ranked players/qualifiers, and their struggles trying to progress in any tournaments... can you imaging their stat of mental health too?
3. surely, back to point 1, if it is in your job spec/job requirement, then she shouldn't have gone ahead & started the FO.

IMO

 

[Aussie Darcy]

to be fair though... the way i see it is..
1. if Osaka was so sure about the state of her own mental health/situtation, then why did she start the FO? Was any support/guidance from her entourage?
2. by her starting the FO and then quite (doesn't mater what caused her decision making and/or plan in the making) - she was taking up a valuable spot from a LL/qualifier. i am sure it is well known the hardship of those lower ranked players/qualifiers, and their struggles trying to progress in any tournaments... can you imaging their stat of mental health too?
3. surely, back to point 1, if it is in your job spec/job requirement, then she shouldn't have gone ahead & started the FO.

IMO

1: because she was planning on not doing press conferences hence her letting everyone know in advance.
2: she thought she'd play out RG but after being attacked for her raising mental health concerns she withdrew since all headlines were on her and she was threatened with being banned by all slams because they wouldn't listen to her mental health concerns
3: as said in point 1, she said she wouldn't do press.

 

[esm]

1: because she was planning on not doing press conferences hence her letting everyone know in advance.
2: she thought she'd play out RG but after being attacked for her raising mental health concerns she withdrew since all headlines were on her and she was threatened with being banned by all slams because they wouldn't listen to her mental health concerns
3: as said in point 1, she said she wouldn't do press.

ah, gotcha - so it was all about her and herself then.

 

[Tennis_Hands]

Osaka's statement the other day clearly indicated that she is treating the journalist's questions as something unpleasant even if they have nothing to do with "personal" approaches. The mere suggestion that they can ask her about her game or the competition itself, and she can get offended by that, indicates that the matter has nothing to do with she being mentally frail, but rather than she doesn't want to endure any hardship. While that is understandable, that is not the deal in life.

Succumbing to her wishes would mean to start amending the very essence of life: meeting challenges and overcoming them. It is a cry for accepting delusion, not an appeal for improving the situation of the people having mental health issues. That would only cause such for people that are actually well grounded in the reality, as they will have to deal with that sort of falsified reality and wouldn't know what is normal anymore. It is the wrong message that will do only damage. The fact that she does it only to become only more popular (i.e. for money) is even more damning.

 

[Aussie Darcy]

ah, gotcha - so it was all about her and herself then.

Yeah that's what mental health is hey. You put yourself first instead of the people telling you that you should retire or kill yourself. You look after person number 1. Yourself.

 

[Bartelby]

Would you like to be her new dad?

Osaka's statement the other day clearly indicated that she is treating the journalist's questions as something unpleasant even if they have nothing to do with "personal" approaches. The mere suggestion that they can ask her about her game or the competition itself, and she can get offended by that, indicates that the matter has nothing to do with she being mentally frail, but rather than she doesn't want to endure any hardship. While that is understandable, that is not the deal in life.

Succumbing to her wishes would mean to start amending the very essence of life: meeting challenges and overcoming them. It is a cry for accepting delusion, not an appeal for improving the situation of the people having mental health issues. That would only cause such for people that are actually well grounded in the reality, as they will have to deal with that sort of falsified reality and wouldn't know what is normal anymore. It is the wrong message that will do only damage. The fact that she does it only to become only more popular (i.e. for money) is even more damning.

 

[esm]

Yeah that's what mental health is hey. You put yourself first instead of the people telling you that you should retire or kill yourself. You look after person number 1. Yourself.

yes i understand - but it is "possible" that she is doing it the way she wants, which (only) suits her agenda.
in any case, i wish her all the best in overcoming her personal issues.

 

[Bartelby]

America is a ruthless society that likes to crush people on the wheel. It was ever thus FDR and LBJ notwithstanding.

I know that you wouldn't be because those you were once apologist for died a long time ago (I don't suppose you like Gorbachev seeing as he ended up dismantling the Union). I was just giving you a little glimpse of my views to satisfy your curiosity. Basically I am tired of these culture wars because they are nothing but a charade to distract people from grotesque inequality across the Western world (but more so in the USA). I have seen white homeless families hanging around a suburban Walmart. They can't even blame it on the 'character' of black people anymore. It's patently obvious that the problem is much worse than such racist excuses made it out to be. Well, Biden keeps saying he has an FDR like mandate. I hope he can employ his much vaunted skills at bipartisanship to at least get his own right wing Democrats to vote party line. Else the majority melts away come mid term polls and Mitch McTurtle controls the proceedings again.

 

[Aussie Darcy]

yes i understand - but it is "possible" that she is doing it the way she wants, which (only) suits her agenda.
in any case, i wish her all the best in overcoming her personal issues.

Of course, isn't that just life in general that you put yourself first?
Whether it be agenda or their life, of course she puts herself #1.

 

[Keizer]

She mentioned mental health and instead of understanding her the 4 slams threatened her with a ban so she said ok i'll quit the tournament and they then backtrack big time because they didn't care about players mental health and tried to downplay their attack on her. She's now out of the tournament, everyone looking in sees how they criticized and threatened her with a ban instead of listening to her concerns. Such a bad look. If only they cared about mental health.

Please. She mentioned "mental health" as a general issue of pressers. If you read any of my prior posts, you will see that my main problem with how her/her team handled this was by trying to make this a global issue when it was a personal issue. She tried to white knight for all the players on the tour, implying that all of their mental health situations were being compromised by pressers and looked out of touch when basically everybody said they weren't a big deal.

If she wanted to go public with this, she should've simply gone ahead and said "hey guys, I need to take time off pressers for MY mental health" rather than sensationalizing this non-issue by insinuating that it was something that applied to everyone on tour.

 

[Tennis_Hands]

to be fair though... the way i see it is..
1. if Osaka was so sure about the state of her own mental health/situtation, then why did she start the FO? Was any support/guidance from her entourage?
2. by her starting the FO and then quite (doesn't mater what caused her decision making and/or plan in the making) - she was taking up a valuable spot from a LL/qualifier. i am sure it is well known the hardship of those lower ranked players/qualifiers, and their struggles trying to progress in any tournaments... can you imaging their stat of mental health too?
3. surely, back to point 1, if it is in your job spec/job requirement, then she shouldn't have gone ahead & started the FO.

IMO

Her whole demeanour tells that she is very far from the condition she implicates.

As you said, a person with mental health issues is not going out on a limb, challenging everyone with his actions and statements, while ignoring every sensible approach to solving the issue. For someone who is "introvert", "insecure", "prone to breaking down" etc, she surely acts in a quite dismissive manner.

There is no doubt that she came in the tournament just to make that circus: she knows what her obligations are, didn't look to communicate on time whatever problems she had in order to find a satisfactory decision and has snubbed the efforts of the other side to seek such.

 

[Aussie Darcy]

Please. She mentioned "mental health" as a general issue of pressers. If you read any of my prior posts, you will see that my main problem with how her/her team handled this was by trying to make this a global issue when it was a personal issue. She tried to white knight for all the players on the tour, implying that all of their mental health situations were being compromised by pressers and looked out of touch when basically everybody said they weren't a big deal.

If she wanted to go public with this, she should've simply gone ahead and said "hey guys, I need to take time off pressers for MY mental health" rather than sensationalizing this non-issue by insinuating that it was something that applied to everyone on tour.

Look, if you want to argue the nitty gritty and say that it should have been rephrased then go for it. The point still stands. Mental health is crucial. There's a discussion to be had around how soon these press conferences happen and the nature of the questions. Osaka could have done it in a better way but here we are. I still support what she said and then you've got posters here saying she should retire or she's a snowflake or far worse things. The point stands.

 

[Tennis_Hands]

Would you like to be her new dad?

I thought that we reached an agreement to not address each other? Seeing how you haven't changed a thing and go direct to personal remarks tells me that you are itching to continue with your personal engagements. Not surprising at all as that is your MO.

 

[Keizer]

Look, if you want to argue the nitty gritty and say that it should have been rephrased then go for it. The point still stands. Mental health is crucial. There's a discussion to be had around how soon these press conferences happen and the nature of the questions. Osaka could have done it in a better way but here we are. I still support what she said and then you've got posters here saying she should retire or she's a snowflake or far worse things. The point stands.

There will only be a real discussion to be had when the players themselves come together and ask for it. As far as I know, not a single player has publicly voiced support for Osaka's opinion, not even the likes of Serena, who has been subjected to far worse than Osaka will ever be.

 

[mahesh69a]

How about you say

I sympathize with Naomi Osaka and hope she recovers from her clear mental health issues. I hope upon her return she will recognize her mistakes in her comments and do press with courtesy from the public and journalists who are sensitive to the situation.

Come up with it in your words then. Defend her mental health, that's all I want.

Why don't you care about the possibility of mental health suicide which is so common? You're ok with bullying to the point of suicide? Criticize the vitriol on this thread, then come back to me. It's sad you'd rather get triggered over this then people attacking people who are at their lowest points. Shame on you.

You seem to think everyone should say what YOU want them to say. Whatever happened to free will and independent thought?

 

[sureshs]

Testing to see if thread is really locked

 

[Tennis_Hands]

ah, gotcha - so it was all about her and herself then.

Ouch!

 

[Aussie Darcy]

You seem to think everyone should say what YOU want them to say. Whatever happened to free will and independent thought?

Tell me what you think of mental health then. Use your free thought. Is mental health a matter of concern?

 

[Tennis_Hands]

I thought that we reached an agreement to not address each other? Seeing how you haven't changed a thing and go direct to personal remarks tells me that you are itching to continue with your personal engagements. Not surprising at all as that is your MO.

Given you're a clown you should run off and join her circus!

QED

 

[Bartelby]

After your personal attack on Osaka, you accuse me of a personal attack? Too funny!

You are not arguing, so you've no argument to refute.

You're fabricating a tall story in which Osaka is the villain of the piece.

I thought that we reached an agreement to not address each other? Seeing how you haven't changed a thing and go direct to personal remarks tells me that you are itching to continue with your personal engagements. Not surprising at all as that is your MO.

 

[Dolgopolov85]

Her whole demeanour tells that she is very far from the condition she implicates.

As you said, a person with mental health issues is not going out on a limb, challenging everyone with his actions and statements, while ignoring every sensible approach to solving the issue. For someone who is "introvert", "insecure", "prone to breaking down" etc, she surely acts in a quite dismissive manner.

There is no doubt that she came in the tournament just to make that circus: she knows what her obligations are, didn't look to communicate on time whatever problems she had in order to find a satisfactory decision and has snubbed the efforts of the other side to seek such.

Actually, that is not contradictory in and of itself. Someone near and dear to me is an introvert and they won't say a word until someone says or does something that really irritates them and then they will snap viciously, getting pretty rude in fact. When you struggle to handle antagonistic people from a position of security and confidence, you WILL lapse into passive-aggressive behaviour.

I don't doubt for a minute that she had issues and I just wish she had addressed them sooner. From the fact that she announced it on social media just days before the tournament, she had allowed it to rise up to boiling point before acting on it. Bad decision.

 

[Tennis_Hands]

After your personal attack on Osaka, you accuse me of a personal attack? Too funny! You are not arguing, so you've no argument to refute. You're fabricating a tall story.

There was no personal attack, unlike your attack on the person you are talking to, but we know how things with you go.

Bye!

 

[Bartelby]

You do realise that terms like introvert and extrovert aren't exactly contemporary psychological terms?

Actually, that is not contradictory in and of itself. Someone near and dear to me is an introvert and they won't say a word until someone says or does something that really irritates them and then they will snap viciously, getting pretty rude in fact. When you struggle to handle antagonistic people from a position of security and confidence, you WILL lapse into passive-aggressive behaviour.

I don't doubt for a minute that she had issues and I just wish she had addressed them sooner. From the fact that she announced it on social media just days before the tournament, she had allowed it to rise up to boiling point before acting on it. Bad decision.

 

[Dolgopolov85]

There will only be a real discussion to be had when the players themselves come together and ask for it. As far as I know, not a single player has publicly voiced support for Osaka's opinion, not even the likes of Serena, who has been subjected to far worse than Osaka will ever be.

Have said it already. Don't understand why she didn't do that. If she didn't, she shouldn't have worded her statement such that she was generalizing on behalf of other players. It looked bad when others didn't quite echo what she had said. They were like, yeah we dislike the press conferences too but we can deal with it.

 

[Dolgopolov85]

You do realise that terms like introvert and extrovert aren't exactly contemporary psychological terms?

The other guy used it and I used the term in the same sense. Besides, I remember you describing her as introverted. Maybe you too didn't realise at that time.

 

[Tennis_Hands]

Actually, that is not contradictory in and of itself. Someone near and dear to me is an introvert and they won't say a word until someone says or does something that really irritates them and then they will snap viciously, getting pretty rude in fact. When you struggle to handle antagonistic people from a position of security and confidence, you WILL lapse into passive-aggressive behaviour.

I don't doubt for a minute that she had issues and I just wish she had addressed them sooner. From the fact that she announced it on social media just days before the tournament, she had allowed it to rise up to boiling point before acting on it. Bad decision.

The situation you describe has absolutely nothing to do with what I said: it is about taking an initiative without immediate provocation. It is "acting" (Osaka) vs "reacting" (your example)

Moreover, people that are aware of their issues seek to resolve them, not force everyone to abide by them as a first course of action.

 

[Dolgopolov85]

The situation you describe has absolutely nothing to do with what I said: it is about taking an initiative without immediate provocation. It is "acting" (Osaka) vs "reacting" (your example)

Moreover, people that are aware of their issues seek to resolve them, not force everyone to abide by them as a first course of action.

No disagreement on that, she handled it very badly.

 

[Tennusdude]

Few people tune into the conferences, yes, but what they do say in the conferences inevitably finds itself in front page headlines of tennis news websites. Fans want to hear from the players, which we do from both their own prepared statements to the media from their agents, as well as in post-match interviews. I think most fans would support keeping post-match interviews.

When you consider some of the questions that made Naomi walk away in that Wimbledon 2019 post-match interview, they weren't disrespectful at all, but they were still difficult questions for a young 21 year old not used to that fame and scrutiny.

But people read the many articles that are derived from them

 

[Bartelby]

You offered a complete psychological explanation of someone by using that term. I also called Osaka a wallflower, but I don't mean she won't dance with me.

The other guy used it and I used the term in the same sense. Besides, I remember you describing her as introverted. Maybe you too didn't realise at that time.