Should on court coaching be allowed in men's tennis?

clayqueen

clayqueen

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I think it's a nonsense that on court coaching is not allowed when the players have access to their coach during a rain delay or over night stop for bad light etc.

The WTA allow on court coaching and IMO it does not have any impact on the outcome of the match.
 
Tennis_Hands said:
No.

A substantial part of tennis is that you have to make your own decisions and make them quick.

It is a display of intelligence.
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So why are they allowed to consult their coach during a rain delay and why does the WTA allow it?

Frankly, I don't think it would make any difference. You might as well say players should not employ a coach at all.
 
clayqueen said:
So why are they allowed to consult their coach during a rain delay and why does the WTA allow it?

Frankly, I don't think it would make any difference.
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This is likely for the (I'd have thought quite obvious) practical reason that it would be impossible to police.

If you don't think it would make any difference then what's the fuss all about?
 
Bobby Jr said:
This is likely for the (I'd have thought quite obvious) practical reason that it would be impossible to police.

If you don't think it would make any difference then what's the fuss all about?
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If they allowed it then it would stop all the witch hunting.
 
Women are allowed coaching, and they are paid the same amount. Yet another way men are getting screwed, but somehow we are led to believe that it is a man's world.

So let me get this straight, only in a man's world does a man get the short end of the stick? Yea, that makes a lot of sense.
 
Should not be allowed for the simple reason that many players do not (for reasons of cost) travel regularly (or at all) with their coach. Allowing on-court coaching gives an unfair advantage to the most successful players, who can all afford to travel with the coach. In pro golf tournaments provide a caddy for players who can't afford their own full-time caddy. I don't foresee tennis tournaments providing a coach for poorer players anytime soon.
 
jackson vile said:
Women are allowed coaching, and they are paid the same amount. Yet another way men are getting screwed, but somehow we are led to believe that it is a man's world.

So let me get this straight, only in a man's world does a man get the short end of the stick? Yea, that makes a lot of sense.
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I though it was the men who have a stick
 
moonballs
there is coaching in chess in matches that are suspended until the next day. Watch a world championship chess match and you'll hear that in matches suspended overnight the player will meet with a dozen or more experts to discuss how to play his position the next day.
 
I'm opposed to the notion but let's look at the difficulties of actually implementing it. If the coach is on the court sitting next to the player during change-overs, then it would almost completely removes the aspect of tennis which is as Nadal puts it 'finding solutions to a tough opponent'. I think all of us would agree that would be detrimental. I'm not sure how the WTA does it but I'd oppose any change to WTA-ify the ATP. In table tennis, the coach can decide when to call a time out in which they can give coaching. Problem is that means coaches can kill momentum of your opponent which severely reduces the drama and excitement of the match. If we have widespread lynching about MTO's such as Azarenka's this year, I don't think it would be advisable to implement timeouts for on court coaching even if they in reality very different.
 
This seems to be a notion that many here find offensive, but let's face it: tennis ain't chess. Tennis isn't even baseball, football, soccer, basketball, whatever in terms of the variety of strategic options that one can choose, or more particularly that a given player is capable of, since most cannot change their games all that much given their repertoire of shots. Tennis is a game essentially of execution; the strategic options are sufficiently few that a player who can't figure them out on his own doesn't belong on the court.
 
El Diablo said:
This seems to be a notion that many here find offensive, but let's face it: tennis ain't chess. Tennis isn't even baseball, football, soccer, basketball, whatever in terms of the variety of strategic options that one can choose, or more particularly that a given player is capable of, since most cannot change their games all that much given their repertoire of shots. Tennis is a game essentially of execution; the strategic options are sufficiently few that a player who can't figure them out on his own doesn't belong on the court.
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Even if tennis isn't like chess, there's nevertheless a part of which involves making tactical decisions and solving problems with both your play and your opponents. Besides many players have come out of rain delays playing differently including a 17 slam champion last year at Wimbledon (and maybe in 2004) so I doubt it's as simple as saying if you can't figure it out, you don't belong on the court. I think it's an overreach to say that tennis has insufficient strategic thinking even if it isn't as obviously strategic as chess.
 
If on court coaching is bad, then should players be prevented from having contact with their coach during rain delays or overnight stops?
 
Just because Nadal needs on court coaching to deal wirh a tough situation, so we should change the rules?

Again, how do you feel about allowing in match coaching in chess?
 
moonballs said:
Just because Nadal needs on court coaching to deal wirh a tough situation, so we should change the rules?

Again, how do you feel about allowing in match coaching in chess?
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Considering I am a half decent chess player, having played at the Canadian Nationals when I was in grade school, I don't even think coaching would work in chess like it does in tennis. In chess, you have to respond immediately to the other person's move, but in tennis a tactic change can work for a while until the other player makes adjustments which most times takes a fair bit of time.

That said, I agree with you. I wouldn't want coaching in chess. Chess is inherently about figuring things out on your own with your own mind, and tennis is similar in this regard. I guess that's one of the things I like about tennis, and I wouldn't want that changed. I like seeing the guys have to figure things out on their own sometimes.
 
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Nadal fans want 2 years ranking, reduce the number of hc tournaments, raise the height of the net, more time between points, and now they want on court coaching.

Sorry but tennis shouldn't change the rules to benefit only Nadal and drawbacks for other players.
 
Devilito said:
20 years ago yeah. Not anymore. Now it's just a test of endurance, stamina, speed, flexibility etc.
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It is true the points are longer. But the strategy part is still vital in tennis, especially in best of five matches. Think about it: even in a pure physical sport, like 1500 meter race the strategy is important. Tennis has so many more demensions than a "simple" track and field. As long as strategy maters coaching makes a difference.
 
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