Should on court coaching be stopped? Watched jCF give Alcaraz instructions on every single point is just beyond ridiculous
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ChrisJR3264
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Even in high school And college tennis this was not allowed. On change overs - coaches had a few seconds.
I agree. This is absolutely disgusting.
ChrisJR3264
Hall of Fame
The beauty of tennis was the ability to problem solve on your own. It’s gone
Aabye5
G.O.A.T.
Yes, on court coaching is against the spirit of the game.
StanIsTheMan
New User
Watching Alcaraz ask for instructions on every point is weird, certainly not something seen before, makes you wonder how he could perform when Ferrero is not around to instruct and bro pump him on every point.
Mustard
Bionic Poster
I wouldn't want to talk to a coach during a match. I'd want it all planned out beforehand on the practice court and during tactical discussions, i.e. How do we expect things to go? What to do if things go as we expect, what to do if things go better than we expect, what to do if things go worse than we expect or go really, really bad. The best generals never let a retreat turn into a rout. It should all be planned out beforehand so that nothing is that much of a surprise. Needing to be coached on every point in real time is embarrassing.
ChrisJR3264
Hall of Fame
He’s getting strategic advice
ChrisJR3264
Hall of Fame
Roger Federer went years without a coach in his box. Enough said.
AnOctorokForDinner
Talk Tennis Guru
He's won tournaments without Ferrero's presence.
TheNachoMan
Legend
This is what I admire about Federer so much. Didn’t he win 3 slams in 2004 without a coach?
ChrisJR3264
Hall of Fame
Not grand slams though
ChrisJR3264
Hall of Fame
More I believe.
Mustard
Bionic Poster
Yes, officially. Mirka outcoached Brad Gilbert during the third set rain delay in the 2004 Wimbledon final. At the time it was 1 set all against Roddick, and Roddick up 4-2 in the third set. Federer won in 4 sets.
StanIsTheMan
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Some of the advice is just plain garbage, some of the things I hear are "if he gets hard then you get harder" and "push him to the limit, TO THE LIMIT". I guess as Alcaraz matures he won't need as much validation/support from Ferrero.
ChrisJR3264
Hall of Fame
Dude he’s literally telling him right before the serve where to go.
He’s getting strategic advice.
I don’t mind motivational cheering as much as long as it’s limited. This purely shows Carlos seeks JC for help a lot
Mustard
Bionic Poster
Why don't they discuss it before the match?
socallefty
G.O.A.T.
The higher the level of tennis, the more it entertains me. If getting coached on every point makes Carlos and other players play better, I’m all for it. For me, watching tennis from the stands or on TV is just an entertainment show and I want the players to perform as well as they can.
Terenigma
G.O.A.T.
Absolutely in agreement with OP. It's disgusting the way it's happening right now with every point, Off-court, sure get all the training/coaching you need but on court it should be player vs player using both physical skills and mental skills to see who is superior. The reason coaching is allowed in TEAM sports is because you need to get the team working together and giving instructions in that way makes sense, for solo sports it's a joke and shouldn't be allowed or should only be allowed at change-overs.
This is a victim of how the world is now though, it's just the way technology and learning has changed. People don't retain information the way they used to because it's simply easier to just look it up and all these next gen players need hand-holding to win matches.
This is a victim of how the world is now though, it's just the way technology and learning has changed. People don't retain information the way they used to because it's simply easier to just look it up and all these next gen players need hand-holding to win matches.
ChrisJR3264
Hall of Fame
No idea. But it’s too much strategic advice on court and too often
ChrisJR3264
Hall of Fame
It’s honestly like this in life outside of sports. So many people need hand holding and told 100x what to do. One of the most important things I was taught growing up was to figure things out or research on your own before asking for help.
Bill Lobsalot
Hall of Fame
If it doesn't slow down the match, I don't care. But the TV cameras are going to Alcaraz's box every point. Stop!
Mustard
Bionic Poster
I just find it weird. I can understand if you and your coach were both taken by surprise by what the opponent was doing and had never taken that situation into account, but otherwise it should have all been done before the match starts.
Instead of the last 2 minutes of the game taking a mind numbing 20 minutes it would take 5 minutes.
Subway Tennis
G.O.A.T.
Maybe some players didn’t use it / couldn’t use it / were independent enough not to want it, but coaching from the stands for most players has been happening for the majority of the open era in pro tennis.
The only difference is that before it was legal players and coaches generally were more secretive about it, and coaches weren’t micd up and their instructions made part of the TV broadcast.
You can argue about whether or not the optics of showing it on a broadcast are good new thing for tennis, but the issue of whether coaching from the stands is a good or bad new development is a moot point. It’s been happening the whole time.
The only difference is that before it was legal players and coaches generally were more secretive about it, and coaches weren’t micd up and their instructions made part of the TV broadcast.
You can argue about whether or not the optics of showing it on a broadcast are good new thing for tennis, but the issue of whether coaching from the stands is a good or bad new development is a moot point. It’s been happening the whole time.
ChrisJR3264
Hall of Fame
I mean I think the whole bathroom break is nonsense. The atp does a horrible job scheduling matches sometimes. They should be able to use the bathroom on change overs if they need to.
ChrisJR3264
Hall of Fame
Other sports have to coordinate multiple players on court or the field. 1:1 is different.
onehandbh
G.O.A.T.
The normal breaks between sets should still be in place to be used as bathroom breaks if need be, but then add 2 or 3 timeouts that can be used whenever they want. The only limitation I would put is that you can only take a timeout before your own service game and not before the opponent's service game.
onehandbh
G.O.A.T.
How about the NFL without coaching except by the QB giving directions and calling plays in the huddle?
ChrisJR3264
Hall of Fame
I think the young lad was going to him constantly for guidance bc meddy found an aggressive tactic to his game.
djokovic the conqueror
Professional
Spanish players always need to resort to extra help instead of figuring things out themselves. Nothing new.
Cliff Drysdale after every point : “MJ, what does Juan Carlos want Alcaraz to do” ??
Medvedev earned that win. Like him or not, he outplayed/outsmarted both Carlito and his coaches lol. Carlito got exposed that when his great athletic ability wasn't enough he can't figure out on his own. I like Carlito but the constant coaching makes him look bad in the sense that he is all physical talent and no brains. He is young though so hopefully he'll learn.
There is also a monetary angle to it that is very strong. Given coaching is allowed, that means there is additional airtime on TV and streaming that this team will get. Which in turn, implies that they are billboards for brand advertising. Look at that fake messiah, Alcaraz’s team. All of them coordinated with BMW caps. Obviously, BMW has cut them a deal, given the logo exposure it would get. I think they should bring in dress codes for coaching teams too.
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more like yes rather than no, a bit is ok i guess but almost every point is annoying so yes
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