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No disrespectful at all since the former tennis player Phillipe Chatrier has made far less contributions to RG than Nadal. 11 RG > 0 RG. It is not disrespect. It is justice and objectivity.
Even other Frenchmen like Max Decugis have made far bigger contributions to RG than Chatrier. Max Decugis won 8 RG.
But yeah, I suppose unobjectivity and hate can't be cured.
I would not find it odd. No rule indicating only French players can give name to French courts.
Yes, I would say 11 RG are a greater contribution than 0 RG and being president of the French Tennis Federation. Who will be more remembered? Nadal or Phillipie Chatrier? Almost no one knows who is Phillipe Chatrier (even if you ask French people, most will know who is Nadal and virtually no one will know who is Phillipe Chatrier).
Even Max Decugis (a French citizen) made more contributions to RG than Phillipe Chatrier. Max Decugis won 8 RG titles!!!
There's more to contributing to how a great tennis tournament works than just turning up and winning titles there.
Thank you! Every post this guy has made in this thread has been about winning slams being contributing to that slam. All you have to do is use that equivalency in more sentences to see exactly how stupid it is.
"Federer has contributed to 20 grand slams and contributed to 100 tournaments overall."
"Nick Kyrgios contributed to Acapulco in 2019. Alexander Zverev came very close to contributing, but unfortunately did not."
When is the name of the sport (sic) changing to "Federer"?
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Exactly! Though if we're being fair, the sport of tennis should be renamed to Jimmy Connors, and 'grand slam' should be renamed to Roger Federer.
I can see it now. Zverev standing on the podium at the Australian Open, smiling widely as the announcer declares: "Put your hands together for four time Roger Federer winner and this year's Australian Open champion, Alexander Zverev!" Doesn't it just sound right?
No. It's appropriately named. If Nadal, with his record, was French, then you'd have a valid argument.It's name was "court central" until 2001, when it was renamed to "Philippe Chatrier" after important french tennis official, so there's no long history of this name.
I believe Rafael Nadal made most significant mark on this court, of any player at any tennis court in history. I believe that the court should be named "Rafael Nadal" as a reminder for future players and generations, right after Rafa finishes his active singles career.
Would you agree?
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FTFY lol..Court Fabrice Santoro with serve = Roger Federer
Thank you! Every post this guy has made in this thread has been about winning slams being contributing to that slam. All you have to do is use that equivalency in more sentences to see exactly how stupid it is.
"Federer has contributed to 20 grand slams and contributed to 100 tournaments overall."
"Nick Kyrgios contributed to Acapulco in 2019. Alexander Zverev came very close to contributing, but unfortunately did not."
There is no rule saying only Frenchs can be suitable names. Can you please provide me any link to a RG rule stipulating that only Frenchs have suitable names for the RG court?
that's a bit harsh... it has some fake ring to itRafael Nadal's name doesn't have any sort of ring to it.
what a wonderful idea... let's make it as high as the eiffel tower to commemorate the universally-celebrated soderlingement day !How about they erect a giant statue of their hero in the middle of the stadium?
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"Have you watched any Federer today?"
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What silence? I stated my opinion in an opening post and I believe it was clear. Do I need to repeat myself or something?
What silence? I stated my opinion in an opening post and I believe it was clear. Do I need to repeat myself or something?
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Missed it, sorry.I asked a question, didn't I?
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Missed it, sorry.
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Maybe Messi and Barcelona would be a better example? Because his whole professional career was in that fc?When is Real Madrid renaming "Santiago Bernabeu" to "Cristiano Ronaldo" or "Zinedine Zidane"?
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Maybe Messi and Barcelona would be a better example? Because his whole professional career was in that fc?
I mean, CR had significant career before and after Real Madrid.
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that's a bit harsh... it has some fake ring to it
what a wonderful idea... let's make it as high as the eiffel tower to commemorate the universally-celebrated soderlingement day !![]()
No, it is not a better example.
Camp Nou is not named after a person.
Also, there is almost a perfect match between the case with the contribution of Bernabeu and that of Chatrier.
It doesn't matter whether he had a "significant career before and after" since the contention is that it is a matter of achievements with the club, and noone can dispute where Ronaldo made the most from his career, just like the fact that Nadal has significant achievements outside of RG doesn't deter from the fact that he is most successful at RG.
So, do you think that it is reasonable to expect Real Madrid to rename their stadium to "Cristiano Ronaldo", and if not why not?
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"Reasonable to expect?" No.
Also, beside CR there are dozens of other players that played in that team during his RM career, making your comparison pretty weak. It's generally very dubious to compare team players and solo players in almost any context.
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@Sport just so you know, without Chatrier, Nadal might have about 0 RG.
Chatrier was one of the founder of the open era, being one of the people who decided RG68 to go open. In these days, there was not one organized tour as it is today, there were many privates companies trying to breakthrough, with conflicts in terms of schedule.
Among them, WTT was trying to build a USA oriented team tour (a sort of IPTL but with much bigger ambitions). The money involved was big and the schedule was in conflict with most European clay tournaments happening in spring/summer. Chatrier made the bold move of banning every player in contract with WTT from RG for a few years. That famously resulted in banning Connors in his best year, 74, when he finished undefeated at slams, but also banning Borg twice iirc.
Chatrier ended up victorious and saved most of Euro clay with his move. Without him, RG might have disappeared or turn into a 2nd rate tournaments and the slams might have lost their historical domination of tennis.
He was also head of the ITF from 77 to 91, that is worth 60 slams, so Chatrier wins the slam race easily against Nadal.
So, however you might think from your narrow minded perspective, Chatrier is certainly at least as important as Nadal in RG (and tennis) history.
And he is French and of course, no tournament is going to name a stadium after a foreigner, you can consider it stupid but it's not happening.
Roland Garros was at no point in danger of going anywhere, but your other points are well taken.
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It's name was "court central" until 2001, when it was renamed to "Philippe Chatrier" after important french tennis official, so there's no long history of this name.
I believe Rafael Nadal made most significant mark on this court, of any player at any tennis court in history. I believe that the court should be named "Rafael Nadal" as a reminder for future players and generations, right after Rafa finishes his active singles career.
Would you agree?
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I know.
But he is saying that it is disrespectful to rename the centre court Rafa Nadal rather than Phillipe Chatrier, when Nadal has 11 RG titles and Chatrier 0 RG titles. Nothing disrespectful there unless you are a blind Nadal hater.
I get the foreigner aspect but think at least the grand stand can be named after Nadal. I mean he's won 11 freaking titles.
The naming of the court is not in any way about Chatrier's accomplishments as a player. He is not being honored because of his tennis playing accomplishments. (The best he ever did as a player in the French Championships was losing in the second round in 1947.)No disrespectful at all since the former tennis player Phillipe Chatrier has made far less contributions to RG than Nadal. 11 RG > 0 RG. It is not disrespect. It is justice and objectivity.
Even other Frenchmen like Max Decugis have made far bigger contributions to RG than Chatrier. Max Decugis won 8 RG.
But yeah, I suppose unobjectivity and hate can't be cured.
Taking all this into account, I have no choice but to change my mind about initial claim I made. I thank all posters countering my name-change proposal for helping me realize I was wrong.
PS - That Christiano Ronaldo comparison is still total fail, apples and oranges stuff.
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I specifically selected it for you since I know how much the Spanish-speaking world loves football and how their prejudices about its tradition will make your head explode at the thought of doing the same in football.
Glad that it worked.
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Speaking about prejudices:
1. I'm not from Spain and I don't speak Spanish.
2. I don't watch or follow football.
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Because C Ronaldo is not the best player in Real history. Di Stefano is.No, it is not a better example.
Camp Nou is not named after a person.
Also, there is almost a perfect match between the case with the contribution of Bernabeu and that of Chatrier.
It doesn't matter whether he had a "significant career before and after" since the contention is that it is a matter of achievements with the club, and noone can dispute where Ronaldo made the most from his career, just like the fact that Nadal has significant achievements outside of RG doesn't deter from the fact that he is most successful at RG.
So, do you think that it is reasonable to expect Real Madrid to rename their stadium to "Cristiano Ronaldo", and if not why not?
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Because C Ronaldo is not the best player in Real history. Di Stefano is.
That is a highly debatable claim.
That is like saying that Garrincha is the best football player of Brasil of all time.
Either way, "Santiago Bernabeu" is not renamed to "Alfredo di Stefano" either.
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