Should RG central court be renamed again?

Tennis_Hands

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Di Stefano contributed a lot in all 5 consecutive Champions Cups of Real (plus some extra finals). Ronaldo does not.

Di Stefano's Real did not need ridiculous luck and dirty job from UEFA to win. Ronaldo's Real does need.

Di Stefano's Real also played in a stronger era! (strong era: I bet Fedr fans like this term). Ronaldo's Real wins in the weakest era of all time.

The stadium was named after Santiago Bernabeu for a very simple reason: no matter how great Di Stefano was, that's Bernabeu who brought him to Real (you should read more about this story, how Real stole Di Stefano from Barcelona). He also brought Puskas, Kopa... to Real, turned Real into the most fearsome team during that period.

Besides, Di Stefano was considered to be an Argentine though he later played for Spain.

Similar to that, the greatest name in Milan AC is Silvio Berlusconi though countless legends have played for the Rossonerri.

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Ronaldo does not contribute to his team's wins everywhere? Well, your post is off to a very bad start. Do you know who is the ALL TIME leader of the goal score board for RM?

The Real from that time didn't need luck: they made their own luck by using their royal connections, and also by selection of the teams that were invited to participate.

Di Stefano's Real played in a stronger era? You must check the rivals they defeated in that era and the circumstances surrounding the creation of the tournament. If you want we can discuss also the tactical sides of the game when it comes to his particular position on the field. Hint: the forwards had a lot more freedom. Helenio Herrera and his tactics were still in the future. Not so with Ronaldo, who had to play much tighter defences.

I see that at the end you are making the same argument that I was making: that winning on the field is not enough to get your name on that stadium (unless you are an Australian, of course), so essentially you agree with me that RG should not and probably would not rename "Chatrier" to "Nadal"

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axlrose

Professional
Ronaldo does not contribute to his team's wins everywhere? Well, your post is off to a very bad start. Do you know who is the ALL TIME leader of the goal score board for RM?

The Real from that time didn't need luck: they made their own luck by using their royal connections, and also by selection of the teams that were invited to participate.

Di Stefano's Real played in a stronger era? You must check the rivals they defeated in that era and the circumstances surrounding the creation of the tournament. If you want we can discuss also the tactical sides of the game when it comes to his particular position on the field. Hint: the forwards had a lot more freedom. Helenio Herrera and his tactics were still in the future. Not so with Ronaldo, who had to play much tighter defences.

I see that at the end you are making the same argument that I was making: that winning on the field is not enough to get your name on that stadium (unless you are an Australian, of course), so essentially you agree with me that RG should not and probably would not rename "Chatrier" to "Nadal"

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The worst thing about Perez's Real is he forces the whole team (including many other super stars) to serve Ronaldo - a big player of small matches. Football used to be more opened in Di Stefano's era, but he never had the luxury Ronaldo has. Di Stefano served the team while the team serve Ronaldo. In term of greatness (and contribution to Real): Bernabeu > Di Stefano > C. Ronaldo.

Of course, no stadium in the world should be named after a foreigner, no matter how great he is.

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axlrose

Professional
In theory Benzema is the centre forward aka the main striker, Ronaldo must serve Benzema. In fact Benzema works like a slave to serve Ronaldo.

No surprise he scores that many goals.

Ronaldo is just 2 Tier 2 player: FACT!
 

Tennis_Hands

Talk Tennis Guru
The worst thing about Perez's Real is he forces the whole team (including many other super stars) to serve Ronaldo - a big player of small matches. Football used to be more opened in Di Stefano's era, but he never had the luxury Ronaldo has. Di Stefano served the team while the team serve Ronaldo. In term of greatness (and contribution to Real): Bernabeu > Di Stefano > C. Ronaldo.

Of course, no stadium in the world should be named after a foreigner, no matter how great he is.

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Di Stefano played along one of the greatest sides RM has ever fielded. Puskas, Kopa, Santamaria and Gento are legendary.

I don't think that the word "served" is applicable here.

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mtommer

Hall of Fame
It's like something out of Being John Malkovich. Have you seen Federer playing federer in person? Really gives you the sense of just how good at federer Federer is.
How cool would it be in a movie about Federer for him to be the on court "double" for all the tennis action scenes?
 

axlrose

Professional
Man, I am the last man to sing praises for RM (they are as bad as they get when it comes to mixing politics and sport and also the main beneficiary from the doping era in the Spanish sport), but that is some screwed up reading of CR's capabilities (and I am not a fan of his diva-like behaviour and the constant dives. I might detest him the most after Ramos, who is the ultimate ***** ** ****).

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C Ronaldo (aka fake Ronaldo) is a great player but he's not the greatest player played for Real in the last 20 years, let alone the entire history.

During that time, there're at least 2 players leagues above him: Zidane and Ronaldo de Lima (real Ronaldo).

And Messi is closer to Maradona, Pele than C Ronaldo is close to Messi.

FACT!

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Tennis_Hands

Talk Tennis Guru
C Ronaldo (aka fake Ronaldo) is a great player but he's not the greatest player played for Real in the last 20 years, let alone the entire history.

During that time, there're at least 2 players leagues above him: Zidane and Ronaldo de Lima (real Ronaldo).

And Messi is closer to Maradona, Pele than C Ronaldo is close to Messi.

FACT!

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I used to think that as well, but man this guy proved me wrong.

He outscored the so called "real" Ronaldo, and, get that, the "real" Ronaldo played in a stronger Real Madrid team than CR and at the same time against weaker opponents (especially of course their main rival).

Zidane, he is a genial player whose game is important way beyond his club, but that is the thing, we are comparing their contributions to the club Real Madrid, and Zidane is not more important there than CR as a football player at least. Like I said, as a contributor he is probably the most influential modern player sinse Cruyff, and maybe even bigger than him.

It pains me to say it, but CR is more important than either.

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axlrose

Professional
I used to think that as well, but man this guy proved me wrong.

He outscored the so called "real" Ronaldo, and, get that, the "real" Ronaldo played in a stronger Real Madrid team than CR and at the same time against weaker opponents (especially of course their main rival).

Zidane, he is a genial player whose game is important way beyond his club, but that is the thing, we are comparing their contributions to the club Real Madrid, and Zidane is not more important there than CR as a football player at least. Like I said, as a contributor he is probably the most influential modern player sinse Cruyff, and maybe even bigger than him.

It pains me to say it, but CR is more important than either.

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1. At least you agree with me that Zidane & real Ronaldo are in a different world in term of talent/greatness compared to fake Ronaldo :) ?

2. Regarding contribution, like I've said before, Real of Zidane and real Ronaldo was the "one for all and all for one" team, no player dared to put himself above the everyone else. Meanwhile, Real of fake Ronaldo is Ronaldo + 10 others team, the first thing comes to a player's mind when he gets the ball is finding Ronaldo position and pass the ball to him or welcome to the substitution bench! His total score number is seriously inflated and doesn't tell the whole story.

And he's always a big player of small matches - a small player of big matches.

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Tennis_Hands

Talk Tennis Guru
1. At least you agree with me that Zidane & real Ronaldo are in a different world in term of talent/greatness compared to fake Ronaldo :) ?

2. Regarding contribution, like I've said before, Real of Zidane and real Ronaldo was the "one for all and all for one" team, no player dared to put himself above the everyone else. Meanwhile, Real of fake Ronaldo is Ronaldo + 10 others team, the first thing comes to a player's mind when he gets the ball is finding Ronaldo position and pass the ball to him or welcome to the substitution bench! His total score number is seriously inflated and doesn't tell the whole story.

And he's always a big player of small matches - a small player of big matches.

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No, I don't agree with you at least not on a club level with Real Madrid, and that is what we were talking about here.

On a global scale I would rate them:

1.Zidane ------------------------> 2. Ronaldo ------> 3. CR.

and, to be honest 2 and 3 aren't switched only because the importance of the World Cup cannot be ignored.

2. I don't know if you realise this, but the fact that the RM of Zidane and Ronaldo was so full of talent and strength that they could do many different types of play only strengthens CR's case, as his side, like I said, had a much limited opportunities to be successful, yet they were, even more so than the other team (of Zidane et Co), despite of having the Barcelona of Messi as a competitor. That is not a small thing.

Anyway, we strayed from the main topic, and we seem to agree that renaming of the stadium of RM is not happening any time soon.

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Only French nationals would be suitable names anyway...
There's no reason to remove the hommage to Philippe Chatrier, and it would also be hugely disrespectful.
This is where I stand. There's no reason to change Chatrier, but I think they should name an outer court after Nadal, along with a statue.
 
This is where I stand. There's no reason to change Chatrier, but I think they should name an outer court after Nadal, along with a statue.
They didn't do it for Borg, who was tennis' first superstar, hugely popular in France and had become synonymous with the tournament (see the RG 1981 poster), so I am not holding my breath that they will do it for Nadal, even if he won it more times than Borg.
 
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