Should the rankings be "frozen"?

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  • Yes

    Votes: 48 47.1%
  • No

    Votes: 42 41.2%
  • Not sure

    Votes: 11 10.8%
  • Other

    Votes: 1 1.0%

  • Total voters
    102

beard

Legend
At the end of the year, if no more tournaments are played, there won't be any Year End #1 award. You can't give a Year End #1 award, when only 2 of 12 months have been played, period.
Maybe, but you don't know there won't be...
 

beard

Legend
If there is no play for an entire year and no one had any points, how would seeding work once play resumes?
Maybe this way... Points keep dropping (52 weeks rule), and when next year IW beggin use last year points plus points earned at other tournaments that was played... Use that sum of points just for rankings for draw, No1 and weeks go to player with most points in last 52 weeks...
 

Bumbaliceps

Semi-Pro
Bolded...
It means that after good spring your player had bad summer, autumn and winter... So he doesn't deserve to have benefit over player that had better summer to winter part of season...Other words your imagination player should be better rest of season....
Yes this is far from perfect, but there is no good solution apart from eradicating the virus, and freezing is the less unfair solution imo if this situation lasts for a while.
 
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Deleted member 770948

Guest
Given that the big3 have won 5-year-end-#1s each, this year's year-end-#1 is more important than usual.
They won't allow Djokovic to get it in questionable fashion.
 

Sport

G.O.A.T.
No difference, you can't know, and we have best 2020 player already, so you can't know, maybe they give trophie to best player...
No, we don't. We have best player of January, which is not the same as best player of 2020 as a whole. You can't gift Djokovic the Year End #1 just for winning the AO. The YE #1 is awarded to the best player of the year, not the best player of one month. If 10 out of 12 months are not played, the YE #1 won't be awarded to anybody.
 
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Deleted member 770948

Guest
Plus I think Djokovic fans will not be happy if Djokovic is gifted the award in that fashion, because they'll have to put up with everyone saying he doesn't deserve it.
And given that it'd break the tie with Rafa and Federer for year-end-#1s, the outrage will be bigger than anything we've ever seen.
 

DSH

G.O.A.T.
No difference, you can't know, and we have best 2020 player already, so you can't know, maybe they give trophie to best player...
If the season ends in June and you already know who is the player who accumulates the most points until that part of the season, and it is canceled for any reason, would you agree that the ATP awards the best player award when only the half of the season has been developed?
If it does not make sense in that situation, much less in the case raised by you.
 
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Deleted member 770948

Guest
18-0 but very vulnerable, down multiple match points to Monfils.....and down 2 sets to 1 vs. Thiem.....
I will not be surprised if Djokovic loses Wimbledon.
 

beard

Legend
No, we don't. We have best player of January, which is not the same as best player of 2020 as a whole. You can't gift Djokovic the Year End #1 just for winning the AO. The YE #1 is awarded to the best player of the year, not the best player of one month. If 10 out of 12 months are not played, the YE #1 won't be awarded to anybody.
You are right on one side and you are not right on the other... But, all I'm saying is that you can't be explicit about giving trophie, because you don't make decision and no-one gave official statement on matter... Maybe they will give trophie anyway, we can't know that...
 

Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil

Talk Tennis Guru
Plus I think Djokovic fans will not be happy if Djokovic is gifted the award in that fashion, because they'll have to put up with everyone saying he doesn't deserve it.
And given that it'd break the tie with Rafa and Federer for year-end-#1s, the outrage will be bigger than anything we've ever seen.
We are used to people saying he has been gifted success for five years before the coronavirus came LOL.

But yes it would feel anticlimactic if he gets the world number 1 records without any action...
 

beard

Legend
Plus I think Djokovic fans will not be happy if Djokovic is gifted the award in that fashion, because they'll have to put up with everyone saying he doesn't deserve it.
And given that it'd break the tie with Rafa and Federer for year-end-#1s, the outrage will be bigger than anything we've ever seen.
No, I would be happy because Novak is best in 2020, he gained huge lead over only competitor and it would be injustice not to have chance to get it. Trophie is for player with most points in year, so be it...
 
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Deleted member 770948

Guest
No, I would be happy because Novak is best in 2020, he gained huge lead over only competitor and it would be injustice not to have chance to get it. Trophie is for player with most points in year, so be it...
Nadal finished #1 in 2013 without even playing the AO.
Winning the AO tells us almost nothing about who will finish #1.
In fact Nadal has finished the year-end-#1 on 5 occasions, and he didn't win the AO in any of those years.
 

beard

Legend
Nadal finished #1 in 2013 without even playing the AO.
Winning the AO tells us almost nothing about who will finish #1.
In fact Nadal has finished the year-end-#1 on 5 occasions, and he didn't win the AO in any of those years.
Your logic is failure.... Nadal won AO only once so it's natural that winning AO is not crucial for him for ye No1...
Nadal failed to win AO about 16 times (or so), and won only 5 ye no1's.... So he failed 11 times...

On the other hand Novak won ye No1 4/5 times when he won AO, so it's great sign for him condider ye No1 winning...
 

Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil

Talk Tennis Guru
What do you mean without any action?
He is the best in 2020 and had plenty of action...
Not literally without any action, but if this break goes on for several months...

Disappointed because he has been in great form lately and would have most likely broken the record in normal circumstances. He would earn it either way but just keeping an eye on those weeks without having any tennis to watch is not so fun.
 

beard

Legend
Not literally without any action, but if this break goes on for several months...

Disappointed because he has been in great form lately and would have most likely broken the record in normal circumstances. He would earn it either way but just keeping an eye on those weeks without having any tennis to watch is not so fun.
You are right, and that is what I think too, that he would get it anyway, do I don't care if he get it this way... What other fan groups say, don't care, they will say something similar anyway...
 

Sport

G.O.A.T.
Nadal finished #1 in 2013 without even playing the AO.
Winning the AO tells us almost nothing about who will finish #1.
In fact Nadal has finished the year-end-#1 on 5 occasions, and he didn't win the AO in any of those years.
Exactly, Djokovic won the AO both in 2013 and 2019 without achieving later the YE #1. They won't give the YE#1 award to anybody if tennis is canceled the rest of the season. That's for sure. Because the YE#1 trophy is for the best player of the year, not the best player of January.
 

trenzterra

Semi-Pro
You guys are missing the point. If the whole tennis season is really cancelled for the year then it means that **** has hit the fan and the main question should be, will fed, Nadal and djokovic be free of the virus? If they do contract it, given the apparent lingering effects of the virus even after "recovery", it's likely they will never play at the same level again.
 

Bumbaliceps

Semi-Pro
You guys are missing the point. If the whole tennis season is really cancelled for the year then it means that **** has hit the fan and the main question should be, will fed, Nadal and djokovic be free of the virus? If they do contract it, given the apparent lingering effects of the virus even after "recovery", it's likely they will never play at the same level again.
I don't think so. If there is no tennis this year they can have the virus, heal, have a cold or two, it won't matter, as long as they have the time to prepare at the end of the year while being free of disease. I would be more concerned for their results if they get the virus while the tour resumes this summer. But the virus can mutate and become dangerous for healthy people, I don't know...
 
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skaj

Legend
You guys are missing the point. If the whole tennis season is really cancelled for the year then it means that **** has hit the fan and the main question should be, will fed, Nadal and djokovic be free of the virus? If they do contract it, given the apparent lingering effects of the virus even after "recovery", it's likely they will never play at the same level again.
Oh please, Nadal recovered from 8.645.344. injuries, came back and won majors, he will recover from corona. :D
 
Oh they know that very well, but they like to play dumb. Anyone but Djokovic at number 1 in this moment and we would have barely heard a word about freezing of the rankings.
You officially has joined the worst group on this forum: the people that have no concept for even a most rudimentary prioritising. The freezing has nothing to do with your idol, but is a solution to the exceptional set of circumstances leading to instability in the whole tour. That situation is almost unprecedented, so a bit of forward thinking is necessary. Needless to say, myopic positions don't lead to forward thinking. Your last sentence about "anyone but Djokovic" is a re-formulation of the "Serbia against the world" banner. Something that you previously denied to support as a position. Nice that in such dire times you come clear on that.

 

beard

Legend
Exactly, Djokovic won the AO both in 2013 and 2019 without achieving later the YE #1. They won't give the YE#1 award to anybody if tennis is canceled the rest of the season. That's for sure. Because the YE#1 trophy is for the best player of the year, not the best player of January.
Exactly what? Nadal didn't win AO 11 times when he didn't get ye No1... How winning 5 times is any prove when he didn't win 11 times?
When Novak win AO he mostly win and ye No1. Not guaranteed off course...

Ye No1 trophie is for player with most points in year, so be it... I understand if they decide not to give it, but can absolutely understand if they give it...
 

beard

Legend
You officially has joined the worst group on this forum: the people that have no concept for even a most rudimentary prioritising. The freezing has nothing to do with your idol, but is a solution to the exceptional set of circumstances leading to instability in the whole tour. That situation is almost unprecedented, so a bit of forward thinking is necessary. Needless to say, myopic positions don't lead to forward thinking. Your last sentence about "anyone but Djokovic" is a re-formulation of the "Serbia against the world" banner. Something that you previously denied to support as a position. Nice that in such dire times you come clear on that.

You are so innocent, right :giggle:

Off course that all freezing story is from Fed butthurt fans, because they want to put asterisk to Novak breaking Fed second most important record (which is inevitable anyway, with or without virus)...

Circumstances are exceptional, and ATP will find solution, what ever it will be, but freezing is here potentiated in many threads just because of enormous butthurt...

Fed fans don't even want to think of that this circumstances mostly affect Novak and Rafa, who are best and can't win trophies being in great position...

I enjoy butthurt crying anyway....:giggle:
 
You are so innocent, right :giggle:

Off course that all freezing story is from Fed butthurt fans, because they want to put asterisk to Novak breaking Fed second most important record (which is inevitable anyway, with or without virus)...

Circumstances are exceptional, and ATP will find solution, what ever it will be, but freezing is here potentiated in many threads just because of enormous butthurt...

Fed fans don't even want to think of that this circumstances mostly affect Novak and Rafa, who are best and can't win trophies being in great position...

I enjoy butthurt crying anyway....:giggle:
You are living in your own cave, so you don't even understand what you are saying: whether the rankings are frozen or not, Djokovic, or whoever is #1 right now will still get his weeks, and if someone wants to put an asterix on that whether they are frozen or not will not make any difference: he can still do it without any problem.

I see that yet again some Djokovic and Nadal fans are awarding honours that have not been earned. Perhaps thirsty for their favourites to make use of the poor condition of the tour. However, that only shows your deficiencies as fans and nothing more.

You sure do, that is your highest standard.

 

Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil

Talk Tennis Guru
You officially has joined the worst group on this forum: the people that have no concept for even a most rudimentary prioritising. The freezing has nothing to do with your idol, but is a solution to the exceptional set of circumstances leading to instability in the whole tour. That situation is almost unprecedented, so a bit of forward thinking is necessary. Needless to say, myopic positions don't lead to forward thinking. Your last sentence about "anyone but Djokovic" is a re-formulation of the "Serbia against the world" banner. Something that you previously denied to support as a position. Nice that in such dire times you come clear on that.

And because of those circumstances I don't actually disagree with the freezing option. I just don't believe for a second that any of you really had those circumstances on your minds when looking for the rankings solution. Y'all shouldn't have posted so much trash over the years, maybe I would have believed you were being concerned, prioritising and forward thinking in that case. But just like your previous phony concern for future of tennis, no younger ATGs yet n stuff, I call BS. You don't give a crap.

The Serbia bait is not too bad but I don't care enough to take it. And even if I did, it would never come close to your spectacular meltdown and U-turn since Wimbledon regarding Djokovic and his supporters that has squashed any little credibility or high ground you might have had before. Nice to know that even in such dire times you are not planning to change. Narcissists never do...
 

NatF

Bionic Poster
I guess it depends how much of the tour actually gets played? Obviously where records are concerned there could have been some back and forth over the rankings but I don't think the ATP are going to give this too much thought unless it spirals into something bigger...I think if we miss the entire clay season or something maybe then a serious consideration has to be given to the ranking as many players depend on those points for seeding etc...

As far as the fanboy wars go I could see this year throwing all sorts of asterisks around depending on your persausion, we'll have some claiming Fed still holds the weeks at #1 record and others claiming the slam record has been burried. Exciting times ahead :laughing:
 
I guess it depends how much of the tour actually gets played? Obviously where records are concerned there could have been some back and forth over the rankings but I don't think the ATP are going to give this too much thought unless it spirals into something bigger...I think if we miss the entire clay season or something maybe then a serious consideration has to be given to the ranking as many players depend on those points for seeding etc...

As far as the fanboy wars go I could see this year throwing all sorts of asterisks around depending on your persausion, we'll have some claiming Fed still holds the weeks at #1 record and others claiming the slam record has been burried. Exciting times ahead :laughing:
Can't wait for that stratocosmic clusterfuck.
 

Cortana

Hall of Fame
The funny thing is both sides will complain.

Djokovic fans: He was robbed because no GS were played in his prime.
Federer fans: Federer is still the leader in #1 weeks because 2020 doesn't count and you should subtract Djokovics weeks by 30.
Nadal fans: Nadal has actually more GS titles and surpassed Federer in greatness because he was a lock for FO and USO.
 

skaj

Legend
Exactly what? Nadal didn't win AO 11 times when he didn't get ye No1... How winning 5 times is any prove when he didn't win 11 times?
When Novak win AO he mostly win and ye No1. Not guaranteed off course...

Ye No1 trophie is for player with most points in year, so be it... I understand if they decide not to give it, but can absolutely understand if they give it...
In that case there has to be a year, or at least a good part of a year.
 

skaj

Legend
You are so innocent, right :giggle:

Off course that all freezing story is from Fed butthurt fans, because they want to put asterisk to Novak breaking Fed second most important record (which is inevitable anyway, with or without virus)...

Circumstances are exceptional, and ATP will find solution, what ever it will be, but freezing is here potentiated in many threads just because of enormous butthurt...

Fed fans don't even want to think of that this circumstances mostly affect Novak and Rafa, who are best and can't win trophies being in great position...

I enjoy butthurt crying anyway....:giggle:
I am the one who started this particular thread. Do you think I am a "Fed butthurt fan"?
 

beard

Legend
You are living in your own cave, so you don't even understand what you are saying: whether the rankings are frozen or not, Djokovic, or whoever is #1 right now will still get his weeks, and if someone wants to put an asterix on that whether they are frozen or not will not make any difference: he can still do it without any problem.

I see that yet again some Djokovic and Nadal fans are awarding honours that have not been earned. Perhaps thirsty for their favourites to make use of the poor condition of the tour. However, that only shows your deficiencies as fans and nothing more.

You sure do, that is your highest standard.

Obviously you don't understand (actually you do but act crazy) what some Fed fans saying, and crying that Novak will get undeserved weeks not playing do they ask for freezing... You should debate with them not me...
 

beard

Legend
I am the one who started this particular thread. Do you think I am a "Fed butthurt fan"?
Why were you worried about counting weeks in opening post, why even start that talk?

Can't go through your posts now to see if you are butthurt or not, but I saw plenty of butthurt here and other threads about Novak getting free weeks...
 

skaj

Legend
Why were you worried about counting weeks in opening post, why even start that talk?

Can't go through your posts now to see if you are butthurt or not, but I saw plenty of butthurt here and other threads about Novak getting free weeks...
So unless you are a butthurt Fed fan you can't have a reason for asking about freezing, like - logic, justice? Which is the answer to your question, by the way.

If you can't find time to inspect my posts, don't make those judgments please. If nothing, for your sake, because it can show how much butthurt you are yourself concerning the Djokovic-Federer weeks number one, slams, records etc. battle.
 
And because of those circumstances I don't actually disagree with the freezing option. I just don't believe for a second that any of you really had those circumstances on your minds when looking for the rankings solution. Y'all shouldn't have posted so much trash over the years, maybe I would have believed you were being concerned, prioritising and forward thinking in that case. But just like your previous phony concern for future of tennis, no younger ATGs yet n stuff, I call BS. You don't give a crap.

The Serbia bait is not too bad but I don't care enough to take it. And even if I did, it would never come close to your spectacular meltdown and U-turn since Wimbledon regarding Djokovic and his supporters that has squashed any little credibility or high ground you might have had before. Nice to know that even in such dire times you are not planning to change. Narcissists never do...
So, you know that that is the right move, but the people that also think the same must be doing so because they are Federer fans?



BTW, the little problem with that logic is not that you believe it (I am used to seeing your fanbase believing in much more amusing things). The little problem is that you haven't explained the logic itself. Your fan-friend beard tried to explain it with the "asterix", which was taken care of in no time, so you need to come up with some sort of actual explanation, what are the motives of the Federer fanbase to want that: how exactly that benefits Federer?

What meltdown? Or is that one of your delirious states where you say things that you want to believe? I think that I have observed varying degrees of fanboyish meltdowns concerning Wimbledon 2019 (from the fanbases of all of the big 3), in none of which I had any involvement. The fact that you need to imagine things to feel good when talking to me says enough about who is firmly planted as the person who knows how the things stand. It is interesting that this is another prevalent phenomenon amongst the Djokovic fanbase in recent times: just picture the other fanbases depending on your fanbase's dreams and then go on to confirm your story everywhere until you believe it, as it is coming back from other from your fanbase. It is quite the sight to see how you are mutually patting yourself on the backs for your trolling (and you personally openly state that you are not even hiding it anymore).

 

Fiero425

Hall of Fame
The funny thing is both sides will complain.

Djokovic fans: He was robbed because no GS were played in his prime.
Federer fans: Federer is still the leader in #1 weeks because 2020 doesn't count and you should subtract Djokovics weeks by 30.
Nadal fans: Nadal has actually more GS titles and surpassed Federer in greatness because he was a lock for FO and USO.
An asteriskk will be posted for the season I'm sure, but I'm also sure Fedal would welcome these dead weeks with no play if ranked #1! Hell, I can still remember Graf going about her business with her major rival recovering from being stabbed of all things! That asterisk will be highlighted and BOLD! :sneaky:
 
I guess it depends how much of the tour actually gets played? Obviously where records are concerned there could have been some back and forth over the rankings but I don't think the ATP are going to give this too much thought unless it spirals into something bigger...I think if we miss the entire clay season or something maybe then a serious consideration has to be given to the ranking as many players depend on those points for seeding etc...

As far as the fanboy wars go I could see this year throwing all sorts of asterisks around depending on your persausion, we'll have some claiming Fed still holds the weeks at #1 record and others claiming the slam record has been burried. Exciting times ahead :laughing:
As the things currently stand, the decision looks to target a return to action somewhere before the clay season starts in earnest. The way I see it, they have decided this to see how the situation will develop and then decide again, but the obvious intention is that they have a room for another postponement before RG, so that if that is necessary the Major is saved even with the very unusual situation of the players not having played any tennis just before it (something that is not true even for AO, which has a number of warm up tourneys).

If that is the case we must assume that the pause will not go beyond the last tourneys before RG, and even if that is sacrificed, then the beginning of the grass court season. In any event, since we are now sure that it wasn't just a singe tourney that got cancelled, there is no reason why that measure (the freezing of the rankings) would not be taken, as it creates chaos and the players are not able to react to it by playing and earning their positions. If it was a single tourney I can see a point of ATP/ITF not moving a finger, but that is a serious issue which should be resolved NOW. It is of utmost importance that the issue is not dealt with later, as that will raise a lot of questions whether decisions weren't made with someone in mind, seeing that it will be exactly known what they will amount to at the moment of taking them.

Asterixes galore has been going on for as long as I joined this forum (and knowing the history of the fan wars , since forever), so who cares?

 

dr325i

G.O.A.T.
Of course. Why should someone get loads of extra weeks at No 1 without earning them?
On the other hand, someone who's laying in bed and recovering from surgery (and the timing is perfect) is getting all the benefits of being out, right?
No, things should go one as they did so far
 

Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil

Talk Tennis Guru
So, you know that that is the right move, but the people that also think the same must be doing so because they are Federer fans?



BTW, the little problem with that logic is not that you believe it (I am used to seeing your fanbase believing in much more amusing things). The little problem is that you haven't explained the logic itself. Your fan-friend beard tried to explain it with the "asterix", which was taken care of in no time, so you need to come up with some sort of actual explanation, what are the motives of the Federer fanbase to want that: how exactly that benefits Federer?

What meltdown?
Or is that one of your delirious states where you say things that you want to believe? I think that I have observed varying degrees of fanboyish meltdowns concerning Wimbledon 2019 (from the fanbases of all of the big 3), in none of which I had any involvement. The fact that you need to imagine things to feel good when talking to me says enough about who is firmly planted as the person who knows how the things stand. It is interesting that this is another prevalent phenomenon amongst the Djokovic fanbase in recent times: just picture the other fanbases depending on your fanbase's dreams and then go on to confirm your story everywhere until you believe it, as it is coming back from other from your fanbase. It is quite the sight to see how you are mutually patting yourself on the backs for your trolling (and you personally openly state that you are not even hiding it anymore).

ROFLMAO

Why would I have the need to do anything to feel good when you're always the one pursuing a conversation with me in the first place? :D Move on or just be thankful I give you the attention you so badly crave and much more than any condescending, assumptive, hypocritical and phony ass deserves. Try pulling your head out of yours next time you want to talk, and stay safe. :*
 
ROFLMAO

Why would I have the need to do anything to feel good when you're always the one pursuing a conversation with me in the first place? :D Move on or just be thankful I give you the attention you so badly crave and much more than any condescending, assumptive, hypocritical and phony ass deserves. Try pulling your head out of yours next time you want to talk, and stay safe. :*
No sensible answer to anything that I said. Your conclusion is decisively in the same vein as your other delusions, as I have addressed you in a very few occasions from the many times I have seen you do your thing. It was only when it was done in a context of serious tennis matter as the current one, as I am not interested in your circle jerks. The same cannot be said about yourself, who gets lit at the very idea of dealing with something that is even remotely not in favour of Djokovic. As expected, and, like I said, you are not hiding it anymore.

 

Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil

Talk Tennis Guru
No sensible answer to anything that I said. Your conclusion is decisively in the same vein as your other delusions, as I have addressed you in a very few occasions from the many times I have seen you do your thing. It was only when it was done in a context of serious tennis matter as the current one, as I am not interested in your circle jerks. The same cannot be said about yourself, who gets lit at the very idea of dealing with something that is even remotely not in favour of Djokovic. As expected, and, like I said, you are not hiding it anymore.

You want sensible answers? Stop writing gibberish and taking shots, then you'll get them. It's not hard. Or if you really think I am full of delusions and circle jerks, just get lost.

The person who needs to have the last word in every argument about anything says I get lit at the very idea of dealing with something that is even remotely favor of my favorite player. Thanks for telling me that, I don't want to go down that road that's for sure.

What you meant to say there at the end is that I am a genuine guy. The same cannot be said about yourself, because you're too full of yourself to admit any faults and agendas of yours, or see the toxicity many exchanges involving you bring. And that's not my problem.
 

beard

Legend
So unless you are a butthurt Fed fan you can't have a reason for asking about freezing, like - logic, justice? Which is the answer to your question, by the way.

If you can't find time to inspect my posts, don't make those judgments please. If nothing, for your sake, because it can show how much butthurt you are yourself concerning the Djokovic-Federer weeks number one, slams, records etc. battle.
Well you mentioned names in op, so obviously you are not neutral...

You ask me to find time to inspect your posts, but ask me to answer question I already did...

Justice? There is nothing unjustified in ATP keeping 52 weeks rolling, as they do according to rules...
 
You want sensible answers? Stop writing gibberish and taking shots, then you'll get them. It's not hard. Or if you really think I am full of delusions and circle jerks, just get lost.
You just said that the people that think that the rankings should be frozen that are Federer fans do it out of fan preferences to a particular player, so you fail at the first hurdle of proving that you are not that.

As for the rest, I don't necessarily want to have the last word, which oftentimes lead some from your fanbase to believe that they have "won" (including the poster that likes your posts in this thread), so you are de facto wrong (among many things) again.

 

AceSalvo

Legend
If Tennis is suspended, how can the ranking system be active? Makes no sense. No one should be losing points during the suspension as well.
 
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