Should the rules of tennis be changed?

1477aces

Hall of Fame
no changes in scoring. But perhaps we can allow approaches to serves again? it would greatly help to bring serve and volley back and help the server make up for the advantages technology has given to the returner?
 

bullfan

Legend
Wonderful! And while we're at it, lets replace umps with a team of judges like the singing shows, that vote on each play, to include, but not limited to speed, style, and a limit on time for points!
 

Mr.Lob

Legend
So is the volleyball jump served allowed? Seems ok. Always thought this would make for a good serve, as it puts the contact point about 5 feet inside the baseline. How about a running jump serve? Would put a good jumpers contact with serve at about their service line. LoL
 
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The Meat

Hall of Fame
Could shorten the court a few feet, allows server to move up quicker. Now you can't just stand back miles behind the baseline to return it without being punished.
 

souledge

Semi-Pro
Under current rules, you can't take any sort of running start or multiple steps (i.e. approach) in your service motion. A short step like pinpoint toe drag or Battistone's step before his jump is considered ok, but if anyone knows how to play volleyball and how to do a proper jump serve where you have a two or three step approach / run up, I believe that's what the OP is asking about.
 

Sentinel

Bionic Poster
Wonderful! And while we're at it, lets replace umps with a team of judges like the singing shows, that vote on each play, to include, but not limited to speed, style, and a limit on time for points!
That's excellent. I'd love to see a team of umps selected from celebrities from all walks of life showing cards for each point/winner. They don't have to necessarily know the rules of tennis. If there's a wrong line call, let them decide arbitrarily whether the point is to be replayed or given to one of the players.

Instead of penalties on code violations, let's give monetary awards for obscenities and racket smashing based on how much the spectators enjoyed it. Something like The Hunger Games.

If the spectators don't like a player (they have paid money for their seats after all), allow them to hurl objects at him or shine mirrors into his eyes when serving. No second serves for boring/ugly players. However, "lookers" like Stepanek/Dolgopolov should get as many serves as required to get one in.

The "let" on serve sucks, esp when it's on Rogi's serve.

Abolish two-handed backhands.

More changes when i think of them.
 

morten

Hall of Fame
Only way to bring it back, s&v, is to bring back the low bouncing fast court surfaces... Or maybe raise the net slightly
 

Bobby Jr

G.O.A.T.
Awesome!!!!! Shocking that we haven't seen him in GS!
According to how I understood the rules that serve is actually illegal. You can't do a walk- or run-up to your serve.

Rule 8. Foot Fault
The Server shall throughout the delivery of the Service:
a. Not change his position by walking or running. The Server shall not by slight movement of the feet which do not materially affect the location originally taken up by him, be deemed "to change his position by walking or running".
 

TennisCJC

Legend
Just reduce the grit factor in the court surface to allow the serve to scoot thru the court about 2-3% faster and bounce a little lower would be a good start. A common method to measure court speed that could be applied to all ATP events would be great.

Banning poly strings also would help add more variety back to the game.

Finally, do something about racket head size, beam thickness and stiffness would also reduce power levels a bit making it harder for returners and baseliners to pass.

Any one, two or all three of these restrictions could change the game radically.
 

souledge

Semi-Pro
This. It was ridiculous that Djokovic lost that point (and the FO as well) which he won fair and square, because of the stupid nonsense rule.
I like the net rule, prevents people from barreling into the net before the point has ended. If you can't complete your stroke without touching the net before the ball is completely dead, then that wasn't a legal stroke to begin with. On that point, Djokovic had other options, he just chose the most aggressive one, which became illegal as soon as he touched the net before the ball's second bounce or first bounce on a failed return.
 

Ballinbob

Hall of Fame
I've seen Brian Battistone (the guy with the jump serve) play live at the Colorado State Open for two straight years now. His serve is insane and it isn't uncommon for him to throw down two or three aces in a row. He likes to serve and volley and is quite good at it. He also can hit left handed, two handed forehands ect. He can hit all the shots lol

His ground game is very good but it's not his strongest point. Some of the local D1 players were able to trouble him off the ground.

His serve is obviously legal as he's used it in the US Open last year I think. He played mixed doubles then if I'm not mistaken
 

jussumman

Professional
That ridiculous two handle racquet should not be allowed. What an abomination.
I agree with this guy ^^ I think of a two headed snake when I see that thing and then he switches it during his serve and strokes. Get that thing out of my sight lol
 

Shroud

G.O.A.T.
Here's a Battistone service game

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCvICuM-W28#t=6m58s

His serve style hurts him on the deuce out wide serve, because his body is flying in the wrong direction. Otherwise, he definitely closes on the net pretty fast.

Also, there's the lefty overhead...
Seen that serve before and had something similar till the coach made me change, though I took a running start and it was clearly illegal.

But why toss with the right hand and have to switch the racket from left to right??
 
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SystemicAnomaly

Talk Tennis Guru
one rule i don't like is touching the net 'n u lose the point
Why do you feel compelled to fondle the net? Net fetish? Are you one of those net players who hovers way too close to the net?

It's just one step up, before the jump, so they gave it the ok, similar to the pinpoint toe drag.
But Brian B takes a huge step with his front foot = 2-3 feet in the video link that I posted. His whole body moves forward quite a bit prior to launch. With a conventional platform-to-pinpoint movement of the back foot (for a pinpoint stance serve), the back foot usually moves forward a foot and half to 2 feet (45-60 cm) but the body, as a whole does not move forward all that much.

To my mind, the serve shown in the video is a violation of the rules. There have been a few discussions of this in the past and not everyone agrees, of course. Rule 18 of the 2012 ITF Rules of Tennis reads as follow:

Rule 18 (Foot Fault)
During the service motion, the server shall not:

a... Change position by walking or running, although slight movements of the feet are permitted;
 

ALL IN

Rookie
You should only get ONE serve. More rallies, more tennis, quicker games, more excitement. The ability to handle pressure will present itself more often making the game very unpredictable and exciting at the same time.
 

JoshT

Semi-Pro
If we're not careful some of these rule changes being thrown around will revert the game back to what it was 20 years ago.
Isn't the point to see the game continue moving forward? Sure its changed; but some people like the new game.
A lot do, it seems.
 

SystemicAnomaly

Talk Tennis Guru
If we're not careful some of these rule changes being thrown around will revert the game back to what it was 20 years ago.
Isn't the point to see the game continue moving forward? Sure its changed; but some people like the new game.
A lot do, it seems.
But which way is forward? Some may prefer the new game, but many who have seen tennis go thru changes since the 70s prefer the old S&V game (prior to the fast, short rally games of the 90s on fast surfaces).

The modern game seems to be incredibly harsh on the body. It appears that there are many more injuries in the past decade or so then ever before. Amateurs as well pros in this regard. Doubtful that Novak or Rafa will make it to 32 as Roger has.
 

swizzy

Hall of Fame
I have watched tennis for 35 years.. and the last 10 years have been a blessing.. I recently watched ashe vs. Connors at wimby.. I remember enjoying the match..but this time around was extremely dull.. don't mess with perfection.. the court, net , rules, and rackets are just right.
 

adil1972

Hall of Fame
tie break in the final sets of all 4 slams

currently only us open has 5 set tie break

please correct me if i am wrong
 

MichaelNadal

Bionic Poster
This. It was ridiculous that Djokovic lost that point (and the FO as well) which he won fair and square, because of the stupid nonsense rule.
Haha really? I thought he lost because Nadal won 3 sets :oops: funny how you forget to mention that game wouldn't have even been at duece if Nadal didn't hit an easy forehand wide when he had BP BEFORE the net touch. It goes both ways. It pretty much evened out.
 
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Nathaniel_Near

Guest
Ah yes that classic RG 2013 semi final that Nadal should have won in 3 or 4 sets were it not for his brain nom-nomming on too many buritos.

THAT GOOD OLD CLASSIC GAME!
 

Tshooter

G.O.A.T.
Awesome!!!!! Shocking that we haven't seen him in GS!
What do you mean we kemosabe ? I've seen this guy play GS tennis. Doubles. Mixed Doubles to be precise. Does that count ? Maybe not.

But I put up some video for you so you can see it too. GS tennis with that goofy serve. Only a little clip. A little of that racket/serve goes a long way.

You will see he has a hard time using that serve in the wind.

And the serve motion to my eye isn't even on the borderline of being prohibited. He doesn't move more than any other player that moves between tossing and hitting. He just takes one step and then a big jump, which is fine.

http://youtu.be/CkEk0dsThG0
 

souledge

Semi-Pro
Why do you feel compelled to fondle the net? Net fetish? Are you one of those net players who hovers way too close to the net?



But Brian B takes a huge step with his front foot = 2-3 feet in the video link that I posted. His whole body moves forward quite a bit prior to launch. With a conventional platform-to-pinpoint movement of the back foot (for a pinpoint stance serve), the back foot usually moves forward a foot and half to 2 feet (45-60 cm) but the body, as a whole does not move forward all that much.

To my mind, the serve shown in the video is a violation of the rules. There have been a few discussions of this in the past and not everyone agrees, of course. Rule 18 of the 2012 ITF Rules of Tennis reads as follow:

Rule 18 (Foot Fault)
During the service motion, the server shall not:

a... Change position by walking or running, although slight movements of the feet are permitted;
The step forward before the jump was ruled to be a slight movement of the feet. The jump, as you know, is perfectly legal. The step is not even close to walking or running, regardless of the step size, as long as he doesn't cross the line with the first step. I've never known anyone to be able to walk with a single step.
 
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