Should the Yonex Vcore 95 be discontinued?

Should it be discontinued, kept or merged to the Percept line up?

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The 2023 Vcore 95 has it pros and cons from the recreational side as we all know. Since no one (I could be wrong) is endorsing the frame on the Tour currently, should it be discontinued as a whole? Idk the numbers of sales come from that frame alone, but not many people I see use it. It’s either a Vcore 98 or 100 from the 3.0-4.5 level.

Another option would be moving it to the Percept line up of frames. Yes I know they have many models but adding in the line up wouldn’t be as bad or even dropping one model. Of course changing the whole mold itself would be entirely different but could be a good kind of different. I can see it now being called Percept 97T at 315g but keep the 16x20. If that were to happen, I’d drop the Percept 97H for the new model.

What are your thoughts, concerns or questions?
 
They need to take it back to its roots. The SV95 was stiff, brassy, had good feel, and a lot of free power. I still own one (on the for sale page) and it is truly a great racquet for an attacking type player. IIRC, they made it for Shapo to replace his 6.1 95s and that legacy shines through.

The 2018 version made it flexible, underpowered, and with an anemic SW. Then the next version added VDM, killing the feel. And then the current version gave it the ridiculous headshape and made it slower through the air. I'm not sure what its identity is anymore. As someone who used the earlier iterations for years, I honestly couldn't recommend it to anyone anymore.

They'll never do this but I think they should move it to the Ezone line. Create a mold of the current Ezone with a reduced headshape, thinner beam, and a 16x19 pattern. They could even try to get Shapo to endorse it again.
 
I personally love the '23 Vcore 95. It's my main stick. I would be heartbroken if the line didn't return. There aren't many modern 95s being made by other companies
 
Why ponder it? The more racquet options out there, the better for us. We vote with our wallets for the kinds of racquets that exist anyway.
 
Im on the fence about this. part of me wants to Perceptify it, another part watched my kid happily play with it. And yet another oart of me wants to go back in time and play with it myself the way my kid had his weighted up.
 
The Aceserver said:
Wait, isn’t this the “true player’s stick” of many on this forum, or has it fallen out of favor? I’d say keep it.
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It is a great player’s stick, but its last two notable players (Giron and Shapo) have moved on to other Yonex sticks, in paint if not in fact, so the writing may already be in the wall; but an argument can be made that a frame’s worthiness should not be solely based on the number of touring pros using it.
 
Peyote Bjornsson said:
It is a great player’s stick, but its last two notable players (Giron and Shapo) have moved on to other Yonex sticks, in paint if not in fact, so the writing may already be in the wall; but an argument can be made that a frame’s worthiness should not be solely based on the number of touring pros using it.
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The Prestige still exists and sells fine if not amazing, similarly the ProStaff, and the VCore line is popular so idk that I necessarily see them getting rid of it just yet.

I COULD see them sort of making a 95 inspired 98 Tour (rather than just the heavier version) or a 98D or something, which takes the 16x20 string pattern that a lot of their VCore 98 pros are using anyway and a bit heavier weight (310-315) rather than having a 95 - it certainly outsells the plus length versions which they still make though, so yeah, idk... i don't think the 95 hurts them by being around, but theres probably room for evolution
 
In the Prestige’s defense, I just watched highlights of the Cilic vs. Alcaraz match, and although I hadnt seen Cilic play in awhile, he held his own despite being run ragged out there. Pretty sure he was using a Prestige.
 
Peyote Bjornsson said:
In the Prestige’s defense, I just watched highlights of the Cilic vs. Alcaraz match, and although I hadnt seen Cilic play in awhile, he held his own despite being run ragged out there. Pretty sure he was using a Prestige.
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Cilic is using a Prestige in a 93 with 16/19 string pattern, similar in design (but a lil bit different) to the Graphene 360 Mid
 
many people say that Cilic has switched to a 95 pt57a..Back to the topic it should NOT be discontinued as @tenncom says the vcore 95 is an excellent “sports car” racket for many racket geeks and also imho it must retain the vcore name so no perceptify..
 
Seeing above a lot of folks are mentioning things like making it a percept, or an Ezone, both fair points, but is we look into Yonex's past, they had a racquet that was sorta a mix of both the Percept/VCore Pro and the Ezone, the RD-7 and RD-3.

I think a modern materials update of this racquet around the 310-315 gram range might actually suit a lot of what everyone is talking about: RD7 review
 
Respectfully to all 95 and Precept users, I think they are shooting themselves with the Precept line. Most 95 frames are unmarketable, if you can take a step back and see the writing on the wall as far as club level and the modern game goes. Sure there are some, I will give the prestige the exception. But most all companies are going 98 -100. I would even say the 97 is on the verge.

It doesn't make a lot of sense for companies to make a 95, 97, 98....Even if alot of pros are using 95's under a paint job, I doubt up and coming future generations would use a 95. I'm not saying I want it to be discontinued, I kinda wish wood racquets and smaller graphite, metals were still the norm, but the game is evolving on a continual basis.

I will say their main guy moving on from the 95 to some sort of special 98, that they will probably end up producing, doesn't look good for the 95. But if it's one of their good sellers then I say keep it, if it's still profitable for them and there is enough demand.
 
kabrac said:
Respectfully to all 95 and Precept users, I think they are shooting themselves with the Precept line. Most 95 frames are unmarketable, if you can take a step back and see the writing on the wall as far as club level and the modern game goes. Sure there are some, I will give the prestige the exception. But most all companies are going 98 -100. I would even say the 97 is on the verge.

It doesn't make a lot of sense for companies to make a 95, 97, 98....Even if alot of pros are using 95's under a paint job, I doubt up and coming future generations would use a 95. I'm not saying I want it to be discontinued, I kinda wish wood racquets and smaller graphite, metals were still the norm, but the game is evolving on a continual basis.

I will say their main guy moving on from the 95 to some sort of special 98, that they will probably end up producing, doesn't look good for the 95. But if it's one of their good sellers then I say keep it, if it's still profitable for them and there is enough demand.
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I get what you are saying here.

But i think that there is also a lot of "evidence" that the balls we are now getting are, shall we say... not what they used to be. as they are slower, wear out faster, fluff up more, that all leads everyone, Pros included, to be out ther trying to hit harder and harder to get the same outcome on our shots. I have to say IMO this is one of the main drivers towards larger more powerful racquets. We are no longer getting the same, value for money or of the shots that we used to (all other things being equal).
 
If they're selling enough of them, it will be continued. If they're not selling many, it's easy enough to keep what's already been made in inventory until they're gone. Simple business decision. Silly thread. If all racquets not endorsed by a pro were discontinued, there would be very few frames for customers to choose from.
 
ollinger said:
If they're selling enough of them, it will be continued. If they're not selling many, it's easy enough to keep what's already been made in inventory until they're gone. Simple business decision. Silly thread. If all racquets not endorsed by a pro were discontinued, there would be very few frames for customers to choose from.
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I’m sorry if I triggered you with my silly thread? :unsure:
 
Not sure I am good enough to play with anything less than a 98 inch frame! I am a Vcore 98 user and enjoy its spin and control. I used to play with the Ezone 98 but found with the additional power I could hit long at times. I suspect lots of us would like to try the Vcore 95 but it's a big outlay for a frame which may not suit us unless you can demo with little risk. I noticed that Wilson have stopped making the Clash in it's 98 inch form which I assume is because everyone who plays with the Clash likes the 100 inch frame so no profit in the 98 inch version.
 
Chilled said:
Out of interest why?
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It's super demanding and I'm not the cleanest ball striker to be able to take advantage of it. I've been using VC95 06 and 07 for the past 3 years and I attribute a lot of my improvements to this stick, especially my footwork. More recently, I've been playing some important league matches where I kind of wished I had a stick that just gave me everything more for the same effort. Haven't found one yet to justify saying goodbye to the versatility of this racquet, especially when you're on.0

Personally though, I think anyone could use it. I would probably suggest it to anyone once they have sound technique on all the shots. It's demanding but very usable and very fun.
 
evermilion said:
It's super demanding and I'm not the cleanest ball striker to be able to take advantage of it. I've been using VC95 06 and 07 for the past 3 years and I attribute a lot of my improvements to this stick, especially my footwork. More recently, I've been playing some important league matches where I kind of wished I had a stick that just gave me everything more for the same effort. Haven't found one yet to justify saying goodbye to the versatility of this racquet, especially when you're on.0

Personally though, I think anyone could use it. I would probably suggest it to anyone once they have sound technique on all the shots. It's demanding but very usable and very fun.
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Thank you for your input. Thats why I use the Vcore 98, suspect I get about 75% of the benefits you outline with the Vcore 95 but maybe with less of the downsides / risks you mention!! I think it would work for me on forehand where I have a good technique, but not on my one handed backhand where I am greatful for a 98 inch frame as its a much weaker side for me. I am a 62 year old doubles player so my footwork is not going to get to get any quicker!! Thanks again for taking the time to reply and good luck with the Vcore 95 or your search for something else that potentially works better for you!!!!
 
evermilion said:
It's super demanding and I'm not the cleanest ball striker to be able to take advantage of it. I've been using VC95 06 and 07 for the past 3 years and I attribute a lot of my improvements to this stick, especially my footwork. More recently, I've been playing some important league matches where I kind of wished I had a stick that just gave me everything more for the same effort. Haven't found one yet to justify saying goodbye to the versatility of this racquet, especially when you're on.0

Personally though, I think anyone could use it. I would probably suggest it to anyone once they have sound technique on all the shots. It's demanding but very usable and very fun.
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The 'fun' is the best part of this racket for me. Something about how it swings on the forehand side is addictive. And when you're on, it feels like you can perfectly place the ball wherever you want it. Same on serve... when you hit it just right, it just works. I'm going to get mine restrung and play with it again for a few weeks. I see it in my line of rackets every week and really want to use it but I often veer back to the 'easier' rackets.

On the subject of the thread, the realistic answer is probably 'yes', if we are thinking just in terms of reveneue/costs? I'm glad it's a Yonex racket because of all brands, I think they are the most likely to keep the more specialised lines running. For example launching three* different Percept 97s, having both the 100 and 100D, and even the Regna line. Hopefully the Ezone profits keep flowing and allow them to maintain these niche rackets.
 
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evermilion said:
It's super demanding and I'm not the cleanest ball striker to be able to take advantage of it. I've been using VC95 06 and 07 for the past 3 years and I attribute a lot of my improvements to this stick, especially my footwork. More recently, I've been playing some important league matches where I kind of wished I had a stick that just gave me everything more for the same effort. Haven't found one yet to justify saying goodbye to the versatility of this racquet, especially when you're on.0

Personally though, I think anyone could use it. I would probably suggest it to anyone once they have sound technique on all the shots. It's demanding but very usable and very fun.
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It's demanding because u can't hit low on stringbed.It goes in2 a V at bottom of head . It needed widenning at bottom.Boom pro 2024 is like a better version of it.Thats an amazing racket .It 100x easier to use more precise & consistant.Hated the vcore 95.How they managed to mess up a flatheaded racket is beyond me. Id definately try the new ezone 98 over it as they fixed the problems in that .Previous version on that felt so flimsy in head .Yonex just completely messed up the previous generation of rackets.
I'd bin or burn the vcore 95 2023.It is such a flawed racket.No one needs 2 use or want's a flawed racket really.So much choice now.
 
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David Le said:
The 2023 Vcore 95 has it pros and cons from the recreational side as we all know. Since no one (I could be wrong) is endorsing the frame on the Tour currently, should it be discontinued as a whole? Idk the numbers of sales come from that frame alone, but not many people I see use it. It’s either a Vcore 98 or 100 from the 3.0-4.5 level.

Another option would be moving it to the Percept line up of frames. Yes I know they have many models but adding in the line up wouldn’t be as bad or even dropping one model. Of course changing the whole mold itself would be entirely different but could be a good kind of different. I can see it now being called Percept 97T at 315g but keep the 16x20. If that were to happen, I’d drop the Percept 97H for the new model.

What are your thoughts, concerns or questions?
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So if a pro doesn’t use a racquet it should be discontinued?

With that logic, every racquet company should only sell pro stocks, since just about every pro uses one.
 
Robbie2005 said:
It's demanding because u can't hit low on stringbed.It goes in2 a V at bottom of head . It needed widenning at bottom.Boom pro 2024 is like a better version of it.Thats an amazing racket .It 100x easier to use more precise & consistant.Hated the vcore 95.How they managed to mess up a flatheaded racket is beyond me. Id definately try the new ezone 98 over it as they fixed the problems in that .Previous version on that felt so flimsy in head .Yonex just completely messed up the previous generation of rackets.
I'd bin or burn the vcore 95 2023.It is such a flawed racket.No one needs 2 use or want's a flawed racket really.So much choice now.
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When you say 'Yonex just completely messed up the previous generation of rackets' do you mean all the lines i.e. Ezone, Vcore & Percept or just one line or frame?
 
TennisHound said:
So if a pro doesn’t use a racquet it should be discontinued?

With that logic, every racquet company should only sell pro stocks, since just about every pro uses one.
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It was too flawed a racket 2 b consistant .Only fix they could do is widdening bottom .Then it becomes a 98 tour .So that would b 98tour mayb at 310g.
They should really test & iron out flaws b4 they put a product out rather than wait for feedback & fix probs years after
 
Chilled said:
When you say 'Yonex just completely messed up the previous generation of rackets' do you mean all the lines i.e. Ezone, Vcore & Percept or just one line or frame?
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Ezone normal was rubbish .I didn't try ezone tour. I had .Percept 97d ,it was only o.k but it's got too little power.If u had a boom pro 2024 & u went up against someone with percept 97d u'd have big advantage.Percept 97d was so demanding .In a match u'd b tired.Boom pro 2024 was a ton better.
I'd not touch the previous generation.
 
Robbie2005 said:
Ezone normal was rubbish .I didn't try ezone tour. I had .Percept 97d ,it was only o.k but it's got too little power.If u had a boom pro 2024 & u went up against someone with percept 97d u'd have big advantage.Percept 97d was so demanding .In a match u'd b tired.Boom pro 2024 was a ton better.
I'd not touch the previous generation.
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I guess every line of rackets has its pros and cons. Don't think most people would agree with you that the Ezone was rubbish! I did find it a little too powerful at times and the Percept 100 could have done with a little more power, but to be fair it is their control range so you sacrifice some power. For me the Vcore 98 seems to best suit my game and is the middle ground of doing everything well. Plenty of spin, comfort and control in my opinion. I don't think you can write off every Yonex frame just because it didn't best suit your style of play!!
 
Chilled said:
I guess every line of rackets has its pros and cons. Don't think most people would agree with you that the Ezone was rubbish! I did find it a little too powerful at times and the Percept 100 could have done with a little more power, but to be fair it is their control range so you sacrifice some power. For me the Vcore 98 seems to best suit my game and is the middle ground of doing everything well. Plenty of spin, comfort and control in my opinion. I don't think you can write off every Yonex frame just because it didn't best suit your style of play!!
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Ezone 95 was flimsy in head.That's why they've thickened it.I thought it was rubbish.U need 2 mess around with lead.
Vcore 95 was a messed up racket.Would u bring out a racket were u will b massively punished if catch it low on stringbed or in case of ezone so flimsy in head it's not stable 2 volley & head gets rockedback against heavy hits.
This is like bringing out a product 2 retail with desigh flaws.Not everyone is gonna mess with lead all day.
Vcore 98 & vcore 98 tour r bound 2 b better But it's hard for me 2 trust some1 who puts a product 2 retail that is flawed out of the box.It's hard to mess up a flatheaded racket but they managed to.
 
The only person I know using VC95 around my area is an older guy (in his 50s I believe) after recommending it to him. I didn't think he would actually switch haha. He came from PureStrike gen2 98, which is conincidentally what I had used previously.

One other guy uses VC98 in my league, and he plays pretty similar to my style, and I agree that the 98 is as close as it gets to the 95. Just never personally felt wowed by the 98.

I'm looking forward to later this year for the update.
 
evermilion said:
The only person I know using VC95 around my area is an older guy (in his 50s I believe) after recommending it to him. I didn't think he would actually switch haha. He came from PureStrike gen2 98, which is conincidentally what I had used previously.

One other guy uses VC98 in my league, and he plays pretty similar to my style, and I agree that the 98 is as close as it gets to the 95. Just never personally felt wowed by the 98.

I'm looking forward to later this year for the update.
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I would say I wouldn't necessarily expect the VCore to be updated til AO26
 
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