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LeeD

Bionic Poster
Moral of the story.
While most top players can certainly volley off both sides, it's their FOREHAND volley side that you have to watch out for.
Except Swedes, of course.
 

q4short

New User
Veddy nice!! Did that guy across the net want more and guy in black say he's done at the end? A breather, 5 min at least! ;)
 

Caesar

Banned
I don't see what's so special about it. I mean, I imagine this is a fairly standard doubles drill at the top level.
 

Power Player

Bionic Poster
I don't see what's so special about it. I mean, I imagine this is a fairly standard doubles drill at the top level.
These are 2 of the best volleyers in the world. That is what makes it special. Or are they not attractive enough for you? lol.
 

Caesar

Banned
I have respect for their skills. I just don't find this to be a particularly impressive demonstration of them.

It's like I'm not flabbergasted when I see Federer beat some guy off the Futures tour.
 

rjw

Professional
I have respect for their skills. I just don't find this to be a particularly impressive demonstration of them.

It's like I'm not flabbergasted when I see Federer beat some guy off the Futures tour.
Still think you should try the exercise to how how you do/compare
 

LeeD

Bionic Poster
It's a cool drill for sure, but demanding? Depends if the tennis player can volley, or not.
And of course, both guys are trying to sustain the volley rally, so no shots hard into the handcuff zone, if they can avoid it.
Some pros actually don't volley well, and would have trouble doing a good simulation of the drill.
 

rjw

Professional
Why? Ceasar is correct. Whether one likes this vid or not, whether one is impressed or not, this isn't a particularly demanding drill for a pro player.

are you speaking from first hand experience?
 
are you speaking from first hand experience?
Yes, I have coached some world-class juniors, and a lot of lesser juniors, and many of them are more than capable of doing this drill.

I'm not sure what you're disputing....you DOUBT that it isn't an especially demanding drill for a pro??

I can do this drill....I'd miss a bit more than the Bryan boys, and I'd have to concentrate a lot harder, but if you give me a few chances I'd do it pretty well at least once. I'm FAR FAR from a pro....LOL
 

rjw

Professional
Yes, I have coached some world-class juniors, and a lot of lesser juniors, and many of them are more than capable of doing this drill.

I'm not sure what you're disputing....you DOUBT that it isn't an especially demanding drill for a pro??

I can do this drill....I'd miss a bit more than the Bryan boys, and I'd have to concentrate a lot harder, but if you give me a few chances I'd do it pretty well at least once. I'm FAR FAR from a pro....LOL
Those guys just seem to do it so effortlessly, so for MANY, myself included, it could seem somewhat impressive.

But everything is subjective, I suppose.

Some are impressed by race cars at over 200 mph, I'm not...been there and done that.
 

r2473

G.O.A.T.
Yes, I have coached some world-class juniors, and a lot of lesser juniors, and many of them are more than capable of doing this drill.

I can do this drill....I'd miss a bit more than the Bryan boys, and I'd have to concentrate a lot harder, but if you give me a few chances I'd do it pretty well at least once. I'm FAR FAR from a pro....LOL
We'll be waiting for the video post. Either of yourself or your students.

Sounds like its easy as **** for pretty much anyone / everyone.
 

rjw

Professional
I just watched it again and counted over 150 hits....I also would like to see a video of some juniors doing this anywhere near as well.

I'll bring the popcorn
 
Well, I coach a couple of national squad 14s and I'd be pretty impressed if they were able to sustain that drill at that tempo for even 50 shots. No pace? Watch it again...

Meh, this place.
 
Those guys just seem to do it so effortlessly, so for MANY, myself included, it could seem somewhat impressive.

But everything is subjective, I suppose.

Some are impressed by race cars at over 200 mph, I'm not...been there and done that.
Right. It is subjective. I personally find it impressive, but, other pros likely wouldn't find it that way at all. Yes, as I said, they do look very effortless as pros often do. I always find that impressive about pros doing drills.

I just watched it again and counted over 150 hits....I also would like to see a video of some juniors doing this anywhere near as well.

I'll bring the popcorn
OK....man...it's stuff like this where you lose it again! Again...that's a great number....do you think it's a record for the Bryan's. You think other pros would be in awe or unable to do that? Yes, a lot of top juniors could do that, even though the volley is a bit of a lost art in match play. You seem to be vacillating between realizing that pros do stuff like this all the time....and confounding that with the ability of amateurs.....
 

Power Player

Bionic Poster
Nobody you coach, or who Cay-Sar has hit with volleys anything like those guys. They are incredible at volleying and have warp speed hands and incredible racquet control.

That is why people enjoy the clip. But you guys are welcome to post vid of yourselves owning this drill for comparison.
 
We'll be waiting for the video post. Either of yourself or your students.

Sounds like its easy as **** for pretty much anyone / everyone.
Hoping this is a joke....I wouldn't even know where to begin.

1.nobody said it was easy "$****"

2.not sure how either the ability of myself or my students has anything to do with any issues in this thread....again...you're now riffing off a non sequitur statement another poster made

Well...that's a start. Please...think it through before you post. The following does not make sense:

OMG! OMG! OMG! They are the best volleyers in the world!

Well, really, any pro can do this....it doesn't really show off their skills/talent relative to other pros.

Oh YEAH?! Let's see you do it!!!
 
Nobody you coach, or who Cay-Sar has hit with volleys anything like those guys. They are incredible at volleying and have warp speed hands and incredible racquet control.

That is why people enjoy the clip. But you guys are welcome to post vid of yourselves owning this drill for comparison.

PP....the few posts I've read from you before, seemed grounded. Are you being sarcastic here? :)
 

LeeD

Bionic Poster
Ah, Data being his usual jovial humble self again....
Yes, there are pros who do not volley well. They tend to be female, but can be male, and tend to stay back at the baseline, never enter doubles tourneys, and are basically lost at the net.
One example... AndyRoddick. He's a sick volleyer playing someone well below his level, but match him up to a top 20, which he is, his volleys get tentative, short, and very meek.
You know I"m an old timer. Back in the later '70's, a very charming 18 year old Asian lady WON the CanadianOpen, women's pro class. Look it up. She volleyed with an eastern forehand, 2hbh backhand of ebh strong hand and eFh weak hand, DID enter doubles tourneys, and self admitted she hated the net because there's too much quick movement and reflex action. Yes, I "knew" her.
And do you think TomasMuster was a great volleyer? He certainly could volley up to the 5.5 level, but he was a top 7.0. See my 3rd sentence.
And yes, Nadal IS a 7.0 level volleyer nowadaze.
 

r2473

G.O.A.T.
Hoping this is a joke....I wouldn't even know where to begin.

1.nobody said it was easy "$****"

2.not sure how either the ability of myself or my students has anything to do with any issues in this thread....again...you're now riffing off a non sequitur statement another poster made

Well...that's a start. Please...think it through before you post. The following does not make sense:

OMG! OMG! OMG! They are the best volleyers in the world!

Well, really, any pro can do this....it doesn't really show off their skills/talent relative to other pros.

Oh YEAH?! Let's see you do it!!!
You said that both yourself and the juniors you coach are capable of doing this. Did I read you wrong? I quoted your post.

So, I figured it must be pretty easy if you and your students could do that.
 

Cheetah

Hall of Fame
That girl on the wall is impressive. But it's not as impressive as the volley drill from the OP. she's stationary and the ball is coming off the wall at regular intervals at pretty much the same height every time. big difference.
 
Ah, Data being his usual jovial humble self again....
Yes, there are pros who do not volley well. They tend to be female, but can be male, and tend to stay back at the baseline, never enter doubles tourneys, and are basically lost at the net.
One example... AndyRoddick. He's a sick volleyer playing someone well below his level, but match him up to a top 20, which he is, his volleys get tentative, short, and very meek.
You know I"m an old timer. Back in the later '70's, a very charming 18 year old Asian lady WON the CanadianOpen, women's pro class. Look it up. She volleyed with an eastern forehand, 2hbh backhand of ebh strong hand and eFh weak hand, DID enter doubles tourneys, and self admitted she hated the net because there's too much quick movement and reflex action. Yes, I "knew" her.
And do you think TomasMuster was a great volleyer? He certainly could volley up to the 5.5 level, but he was a top 7.0. See my 3rd sentence.
And yes, Nadal IS a 7.0 level volleyer nowadaze.
It's a cool drill for sure, but demanding? Depends if the tennis player can volley, or not.
And of course, both guys are trying to sustain the volley rally, so no shots hard into the handcuff zone, if they can avoid it.
Some pros actually don't volley well, and would have trouble doing a good simulation of the drill.
Thanks for demonstrating once again that you are both full of BS, and have no CLUE what pro tennis is like. If you think Roddick or Muster would be stymied by this drill.....unreal...
 
That girl on the wall is impressive. But it's not as impressive as the volley drill from the OP. she's stationary and the ball is coming off the wall at regular intervals at pretty much the same height every time. big difference.
Actually I find it quite a bit more impressive. The control and racquet speed is MUCH MUCH higher.

It is completely impractical in that: 1. the drill is about anticipation of her own shot 2.you never have volley exchanges like that...

...but in terms of showcasing racquet head control, and a LOT of drilling/practice, I find it more impressive.

There's actually a LOT of leeway in what the Bryans are doing....
 
You said that both yourself and the juniors you coach are capable of doing this. Did I read you wrong? I quoted your post.

So, I figured it must be pretty easy if you and your students could do that.
Right. It's actually quite doable for anybody over 5.0...bear in mind that the two students I was thinking of: 1.beat Roddick (multiple times in practice) and Federer in the juniors, made the late rounds of Orange bowl 3.played with an ATP #1.

But yeah...I'd expect ANY 2 6.0's for example to do this drill reasonably well...again...as I said, they might not do it with the "ease" of the Bryans, but do it they could...as Ceasar said, it's hardly exclusive to the Bryan's talent....
 
dayyyyyyyyyummm
Yeah, this one is actually better:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cThQIhFSZk&feature=related

Though this too is hardly exclusive to Black...

I guess it's nice that many people are appreciating the Bryan's ability there...even if that is not reflective of their elite ability....

But what people don't realize is that, in falsely canonizing that relatively accessible drill, they actually belittle the Bryan's true ability...as well as the ability of all the pros....

It would be like watching Sampras bomb a couple 130mph serves and hit a couple cones and then saying "WOW...THAT is why he's the greatest server....unreal!!! It's the amost amazing thing Martha...look at what Pete did!!!!! @*!K!!$ Johnny tennis warehouse can't do that! Only the GOAT can do THAT!!"

What they don't realize is that...no....every pro can do that (not necessarily as easily or as consistently over the long haul of course)....that isn't what makes Pete's serve great, and actually, it is slightly insulting to presume/insinuate that it is reflective of their true ability.

Or going to Usain Bolt after he does some 11 sec. runs in practice....or Roddick after he hits a 125mph serve in a serving drill....or.....

Anyways, no harm done, but yes, pro drills are impressive, yes, all pros could do this drill (and many many 5.0+ players), and yes...that's exactly why the Bryans are making it look easy!
 

r2473

G.O.A.T.
Right. It's actually quite doable for anybody over 5.0...bear in mind that the two students I was thinking of: 1.beat Roddick (multiple times in practice) and Federer in the juniors, made the late rounds of Orange bowl 3.played with an ATP #1.

But yeah...I'd expect ANY 2 6.0's for example to do this drill reasonably well...again...as I said, they might not do it with the "ease" of the Bryans, but do it they could...as Ceasar said, it's hardly exclusive to the Bryan's talent....
Ah. That's not quite how I understood you the first time.
 
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