Simon Reed Strikes Back: "Murray the best in the world"

rocket said:
To stand any chance to win a slam, one has to make it to the finals in the 1st place.
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Really? I never knew that - cheers.

Reed is such an utter bawbag. Trouble is, he lends credence to the view that the UK media; to man, have Murray as the winner of every slam when the opposite is true.

That's not to say Murray is not hyped/overexposed around Wimbledon time - but there isn't squad of journalists tipping him to win the thing.

He gets more hyped by US based people - Mac, Agassi, journos like Tignor tipping him to win USO. Reed aside, that simply doesn't happen in the UK.
 
i don't think murray is the best, but has the ability to be the best more so than anyone else in the top 10, i am not talking federer peak here.

everyone will shout hate like they do every other murray thread, but id they can name 1 will be surprised.

murray has 6 titles this year but has underperformed in the slams due to various reasons, from the virus, to the pressure of wimby and the wrist problems, however great players can overcome these adversities. Federer and nadal have proved this on numerous occasions.

the main reason he can't overcome these adversities is himself, the stubborniss not to go aggressive and take the bull by the horns.

By doing this, he is taking at least 20% of his best game away from himself. We all have witnessed snippets of aggressive play from murray but it is unforunately less occurance this year, apart from 2nd set agaisnt nadal on clay. i know he lost that set, but that was agaisnt clay god. If he had played that way agaisnt anyone else he would have blown them out of the water.

If you look at the top 10 potential wise, not one of the them has the ability to take their game to the next level as much as murray.

Some of the top tens' game has already peaked or in peak, others can work at their fitness and some their mind game but with murray it his mind and game that can only get better.
 
broxi51 said:
i don't think murray is the best, but has the ability to be the best more so than anyone else in the top 10, i am not talking federer peak here.

everyone will shout hate like they do every other murray thread, but id they can name 1 will be surprised.

murray has 6 titles this year but has underperformed in the slams due to various reasons, from the virus, to the pressure of wimby and the wrist problems, however great players can overcome these adversities. Federer and nadal have proved this on numerous occasions.

the main reason he can't overcome these adversities is himself, the stubborniss not to go aggressive and take the bull by the horns.

By doing this, he is taking at least 20% of his best game away from himself. We all have witnessed snippets of aggressive play from murray but it is unforunately less occurance this year, apart from 2nd set agaisnt nadal on clay. i know he lost that set, but that was agaisnt clay god. If he had played that way agaisnt anyone else he would have blown them out of the water.

If you look at the top 10 potential wise, not one of the them has the ability to take their game to the next level as much as murray.

Some of the top tens' game has already peaked or in peak, others can work at their fitness and some their mind game but with murray it his mind and game that can only get better.
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Without passing comment on the rest of your post, it is worthwhile noting that only 2 men made the second week of every grand slam last season - one of them was Roger and the other was Murray.

Now that's not to say the Murray not even making a slam final this year can be described as a good slam year, but he matched or bettered his previous best in 3 out 4 slams and was clearly carrying an injury when he lost in R4 in the one slam where 'underperformed' is a reasonable description.

There's more to come from Murray in slams.
 
It was great to see Andy Murray make a winning comeback in Valencia and I still believe he is the best tennis player in the world, that's not to say he's going to win a Grand Slam.

To come back in Valencia and win after all that time out is amazing, but until he wins a Grand Slam you have to regard him as being on a lesser level than the likes of Federer and Nadal.

I don't think Federer is the player he was, Nadal is not the player he was. Djokovic seems to be coming back and there are others coming up, Cilic is one, but I think they are all pretty level and you can't pick a number one.

But if you press me to pick a number one, you look at who has been the most consistent outside of slams and it is Andy Murray.

He has won six times now, but for us to truly believe he needs to win a Slam; I am sure that will come.

Heading to London fresh will help him and it will help him next year for the Australian Open.

Right now if you ask me who is going to win in London I would have to say Murray. He is the favourite for me.

Federer is not playing well, for Djokovic to beat him in Basel is a great result for Djokovic and Nadal is not quite there either after all his problems.

I see Andy Murray as the favourite to win in London, but not in Australia. He has to prove he can win a Grand Slam first.

London will be a great occasion and Murray will go there being lightly raced and then on to Australia. Australia is his ideal surface and it is a great chance for him - but as I say, he needs to prove he can do it on the big occasion.
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Kiss of death (again, just as Murray was getting it together again.)

Reminds of the time when England were playing in the 2002 World Cup and before the quarter final with Brazil the cast from Coronation Street were wheeled into the Rovers Return to say 'Good Luck England' before the game started (it was broadcast on ITV, unfortunately, home of dullardry and chintz.)

I soon as I saw that I knew we were doomed, and deserved to be more to the point (what have the cast of the execrable Coronation Street or any other onerous soap opera got to do with the World Cup?, stay out of it.)
 
batz said:
He gets more hyped by US based people - Mac, Agassi, journos like Tignor tipping him to win USO. Reed aside, that simply doesn't happen in the UK.
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I know he's popular in Truro and Penzance and areas around there. South England, that is.
 
Xenakis said:
Kiss of death (again, just as Murray was getting it together again.)

Reminds of the time when England were playing in the 2002 World Cup and before the quarter final with Brazil the cast from Coronation Street were wheeled into the Rovers Return to say 'Good Luck England' before the game started (it was broadcast on ITV, unfortunately, home of dullardry and chintz.)

I soon as I saw that I knew we were doomed, and deserved to be more to the point (what have the cast of the execrable Coronation Street or any other onerous soap opera got to do with the World Cup?, stay out of it.)
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Good post!
Although David Seaman was to blame for that!
 
Simon Reed is the biggest TTW troll out there, he's probably reading this thread now...

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This guy reminds me of that episode of The Office where Ryan sets up a fake blog for Creed because he doesn't want his thoughts to make it unto the internet.

Someone should've just opened up a Word document and told Simon Reed it was a blog.
 
"But if you press me to pick a number one, you look at who has been the most consistent outside of slams and it is Andy Murray."

That's what they say about Safina.
 
Murray isn't even the best player out there without a grand slam.........Nalbandian is, so Murray isn't even near the top.
 
Anaconda said:
Murray isn't even the best player out there without a grand slam.........Nalbandian is, so Murray isn't even near the top.
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Nalbandian is 27 years 10 months, Murray is 22 years and 6 months

Nalbandian has 10 titles, Murray has 14

Nalbandian has been ranked 3, Murray has been ranked 2

Nalbandian has 2 Masters Series titles, Murray has 4

Nalbandian has never won more than 2 titles in a season, Murray has taken 6

Nalbandian has never won more than 2 titles in back to back seasons, Murray has won 5 titles in back to back seasons

Nalbandian has never won more than 4 titles in any two year period in his career, Murray has won 11 in a two year period.

Which criteria are you using to arrive at the conclusion that Nalbandian is better than Murray? Pie eating capabilities? Rotundness?
 
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Well, Nalbandian has better results at the slams

In that he's reached the semi's at all of them and, overall, has more semi's and quarters appearances than Murray.

Doubtful that Murray won't beat Nalbandian in that regard, though.

Although, he might never make it past the quarters at the French...
 
batz said:
Nalbandian is 27 years 10 months, Murray is 22 years and 6 months

Nalbandian has 10 titles, Murray has 14

Nalbandian has been ranked 3, Murray has been ranked 2

Nalbandian has 2 Masters Series titles, Murray has 4

Nalbandian has never won more than 2 titles in a season, Murray has taken 6

Nalbandian has never won more than 2 titles in back to back seasons, Murray has won 5 titles in back to back seasons

Nalbandian has never won more than 4 titles in any two year period in his career, Murray has won 11 in a two year period.

Which criteria are you using to arrive at the conclusion that Nalbandian is better than Murray? Pie eating capabilities? Rotundness?
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OK, if we are using 'criteria' then Gaston Gaudio >>> Andy Murray.
 
Blinkism said:
Oh, and Nalbanian won the Masters Cup in a final against Federer
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and actually beat Federer when it mattered. He didn't beat Federer at tiny events and then Freeze against him in majors.

Nalbandian also beat the top 3 players in back to back tournaments. I doubt Murray has done that.
 
Anaconda said:
and actually beat Federer when it mattered. He didn't beat Federer at tiny events and then Freeze against him in majors.

Nalbandian also beat the top 3 players in back to back tournaments. I doubt Murray has done that.
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Murray has beaten Roger in TMC too.

You're right; Nalby beating top 3 back to back outweighs all those extra titles and masters series and higher rankings that Murray has.

Nalby is 'beat the top 3 back to back' GOAT and should be recognised as such.

Listen - Blink detests the very air that Murray breathes and the ground that he walks on (albeit in a quirky and often amusing way) and even he can't come up with anything better than a marginally better slam record for Nalby that Murray will likely outdo within a few years.


Murray>>>>>>Nalby. The end.
 
batz said:
Murray has beaten Roger in TMC too.

You're right; Nalby beating top 3 back to back outweighs all those extra titles and masters series and higher rankings that Murray has.

Nalby is 'beat the top 3 back to back' GOAT and should be recognised as such.

Listen - Blink detests the very air that Murray breathes and the ground that he walks on (albeit in a quirky and often amusing way) and even he can't come up with anything better than a marginally better slam record for Nalby that Murray will likely outdo within a few years.


Murray>>>>>>Nalby. The end.
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so wrong...take off your nationalist glasses-

peak nalby>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>peak murray
 
batz said:
Murray has beaten Roger in TMC too.

You're right; Nalby beating top 3 back to back outweighs all those extra titles and masters series and higher rankings that Murray has.

Nalby is 'beat the top 3 back to back' GOAT and should be recognised as such.

Listen - Blink detests the very air that Murray breathes and the ground that he walks on (albeit in a quirky and often amusing way) and even he can't come up with anything better than a marginally better slam record for Nalby that Murray will likely outdo within a few years.


Murray>>>>>>Nalby. The end.
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Look, i don't mind Murray. He's very talented and some day he will win a slam. But lets not forget that Nalbandian at his best owns Murray. Yep, if we go by results then Murray is better. But if we look at results then Murray shouldn't be #4 in the world.

Nalbandian actually beat prime Federer in 5 sets. Murray managed to beat a depressed Federer shanking forehands to win in 3 close sets. Big difference.
 
batz said:
Listen - Blink detests the very air that Murray breathes and the ground that he walks on
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This is true, but I never claimed

Nalbandian > Murray

He's more entertaining and that, but in terms of achievements Murray gets the nod.
 
Everyone likes to laugh at Murray for "choking" in his first slam final vs Federer.

What was the score in Nalby's first (and only) slam final again?
 
Weathered33 said:
Everyone likes to laugh at Murray for "choking" in his first slam final vs Federer.

What was the score in Nalby's first (and only) slam final again?
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Hewitt is a tough matchup for nalbandian. Murray is a tough matchup for Federer. Yet Federer muched Murray.
 
Anaconda said:
Look, i don't mind Murray. He's very talented and some day he will win a slam. But lets not forget that Nalbandian at his best owns Murray. Yep, if we go by results then Murray is better. But if we look at results then Murray shouldn't be #4 in the world.

Nalbandian actually beat prime Federer in 5 sets. Murray managed to beat a depressed Federer shanking forehands to win in 3 close sets. Big difference.
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That is one of the daftest things I've ever seen posted on here. There was me that a players ranking was completely and utterly a function of their results.

Let me just get my head around that for a minute - "if we're going by results, Murray shouldn't be number 4 in the world"

OK - I've got the ball and I'm running with it.

If, going by results, Murray shouldn't be number 4, can I ask who should?
 
batz said:
If, going by results, Murray shouldn't be number 4, can I ask who should?
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In b4 Del Potro.

Anaconda said:
Hewitt is a tough matchup for nalbandian. Murray is a tough matchup for Federer. Yet Federer muched Murray.
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Right, so losing your first slam final to a guy going for his 5th straight US Open title and 13th grand slam, probably the greatest player ever to play the game is worse than losing to some guy going for his 2nd slam.
 
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