Simple Ranking/Rating...

[DRII]

Ok, so we have 4 categories: offense, defense, acumen, mental strength.

Rank players, any players you choose – from best to worst whatever, on a scale from 1-10 in each category and give an overall score. For comparative purposes, it should be the players playing at a 'very good' level based on what you've seen of them; not some hypothetical peak (over the years, not necessarily just the current era).

the terms are straight forward and purposely simple:

offense: (O) power, pace, ability to control the point.
defense: (D) speed, movement, ability to track down balls and do something with them.
acumen: (A) 'talent', ultimate ability to beneficially manipulate one's environment and circumstances.
mental strength: (MS) psychological toughness and fortitude.

 

[DRII]

try to complete the individual ranking of a player before comparing against another, if at all possible and see what results you get...

 

[jg153040]

I give Fed 10 in all categories. And this is coming from a huge Rafa fan.

My rating is based relative to genetics. For example, if a guy with less talent wins less, I consider it equal.

For example, if a skinny guy lifts 200 pounds I consider it more than a body builder lifting 300 pounds.

So, considering Fed had weak genetics, mental toughenss. He is not best in any genetics category and yet he has maxed out his genetics.

That is why I give him 10.

 

[objectivity]

I give Fed 10 in all categories. And this is coming from a huge Rafa fan.

i almost agree with u for all categories, except for mental.

 

[DRII]

alright i did it and cam up with:


Federer: O-8, D-8, A-10, MS-7 Overall- 33

Nadal: O-7, D-9, A-8, MS-10 Overall- 33

Nole: O-8, D-9, A-8, MS-8 Overall- 33

Venus: O-10, D-10, A-7, MS-7 Overall- 34

Serena: O-9, D-8, A-9, MS-10 Overall- 36

Graf: O-8, D-8, A-10, MS-9 Overall- 35


which actually surprised me! I don't think Nole, Nadal, and Federer are all equal to one another, I would have put Nadal and Federer ahead of Nole subjectively.

also, as most of you know i think peak Venus is the best woman player I have ever seen, but doing the simple ranking i put Serena and Graf ahead of her

so again try to do the ratings quickly and instinctively and see what happens...

 

[Flash O'Groove]

Here is a try:

Davydenko:
O: 7
D: 7
A: 7
MS: 5

Fed:
O: 10
D: 8
A: 10
MS: 9

Nadal:
O: 8
D: 10
A: 9
MS: 10

Nalbandian:
O: 8
D: 6
A: 9
MS: 4 (I included work ethics in MS)

 

[DRII]

Sampras: O-9, D-7, A-8, MS-9 Overall- 33

 

[DRII]

Safin: O-10, D-7, A-8, MS-6 Overall-31

 

[Kenshin]

alright i did it and cam up with:


Federer: O-8, D-8, A-10, MS-7 Overall- 33

Nadal: O-7, D-9, A-8, MS-10 Overall- 33

Nole: O-8, D-9, A-8, MS-8 Overall- 33

Venus: O-10, D-10, A-7, MS-7 Overall- 34

Serena: O-9, D-8, A-9, MS-10 Overall- 36

Graf: O-8, D-8, A-10, MS-9 Overall- 35


which actually surprised me! I don't think Nole, Nadal, and Federer are all equal to one another, I would have put Nadal and Federer ahead of Nole subjectively.

also, as most of you know i think peak Venus is the best woman player I have ever seen, but doing the simple ranking i put Serena and Graf ahead of her

so again try to do the ratings quickly and instinctively and see what happens...

Nice post. I would increase Fed's offence from 8 to 9 because he is very offence minded player. Increase Nadal's offence from 7 to 8 because he has one of the best forehands on tour. Decrease Venus's O and D from 10 to 8 because I think it's too high and increase her A and MS from 7 to 8. Increase Graf's O from 8 to 9 because of her lethal forehand. Pretty much agree with Djokovic's rating.

 

[Kenshin]

Sampras: O-9, D-7, A-8, MS-9 Overall- 33

I would increase Sampras's A from 8 to 9 because he was pure genius. Same type of player as Federer.

 

[DRII]

Davenport: O-9, D-5, A-9, MS-6, Overall- 29 (lower than I expected).

Henin: O-7, D-8, A-9, MS-8, Overall- 32

 

[jg153040]

alright i did it and cam up with:


Federer: O-8, D-8, A-10, MS-7 Overall- 33

Nadal: O-7, D-9, A-8, MS-10 Overall- 33

Nole: O-8, D-9, A-8, MS-8 Overall- 33

Venus: O-10, D-10, A-7, MS-7 Overall- 34

Serena: O-9, D-8, A-9, MS-10 Overall- 36

Graf: O-8, D-8, A-10, MS-9 Overall- 35


which actually surprised me! I don't think Nole, Nadal, and Federer are all equal to one another, I would have put Nadal and Federer ahead of Nole subjectively.

also, as most of you know i think peak Venus is the best woman player I have ever seen, but doing the simple ranking i put Serena and Graf ahead of her

so again try to do the ratings quickly and instinctively and see what happens...

That was my point. Fed achieved so much with limited given abilities. And I compare results relative in relation to given abilities, that's why I rank Fed the highest.

 

[DRII]

McEnroe: O-8 (due to extremely precise serve and volley), D-7, A-10, MS-8, Overall- 33

 

[Disgruntled Worker]

This thread would be strengthened by some numbers. "Talent" is, without a doubt, the toughest and most subjective metric here. How do you quantitatively measure how much a person wins being do to natural ability rather hard work?

Some meaningful, practical stats for mental strength would be: games won that went to deuce, 1st and 2nd serve percentage (and the games subsequently won or lost), games won when trailing 15-30. Stuff like that.

 

[DRII]

This thread would be strengthened by some numbers. "Talent" is, without a doubt, the toughest and most subjective metric here. How do you quantitatively measure how much a person wins being do to natural ability rather hard work?

Some meaningful, practical stats for mental strength would be: games won that went to deuce, 1st and 2nd serve percentage (and the games subsequently won or lost), games won when trailing 15-30. Stuff like that.

this thread is meant to be simple and subjective, not quanitative or scientific.

we've had ad-nausea, in-depth discussions about GOAT this and peak that; this is different...

 

[Disgruntled Worker]

this thread is meant to be simple and subjective, not quanitative or scientific.

we've had ad-nausea, in-depth discussions about GOAT this and peak that; this is different...

This isn't different. This is the same subjective, he-passes-the-eye-test bullcrap that litters every other thread in the General Pros section. You're saying such-and-such gets a 10 or 9 because of what? Because it LOOKS good and true. You can't put a quantitative value on talent, period. I was humoring you earlier. There's nothing wrong with a GOAT debate in itself. However, when people ignore basic things like head-to-head, sets won, titles won, it degenerates into pages of nothingness.

 

[MichaelNadal]

One of the best threads in ages. I'll do some ranking when I have time. Btw @DRII..... #TeamVenus

 

[CDNguy87]

alright i did it and cam up with:


Federer: O-8, D-8, A-10, MS-7 Overall- 33

Nadal: O-7, D-9, A-8, MS-10 Overall- 33

Nole: O-8, D-9, A-8, MS-8 Overall- 33

Venus: O-10, D-10, A-7, MS-7 Overall- 34

Serena: O-9, D-8, A-9, MS-10 Overall- 36

Graf: O-8, D-8, A-10, MS-9 Overall- 35


which actually surprised me! I don't think Nole, Nadal, and Federer are all equal to one another, I would have put Nadal and Federer ahead of Nole subjectively.

also, as most of you know i think peak Venus is the best woman player I have ever seen, but doing the simple ranking i put Serena and Graf ahead of her

so again try to do the ratings quickly and instinctively and see what happens...

No way Federer and Djokovic have the same offensive abilities, assuming you're talking about their relative prime years. If Djokovic is an 8/10 for offence, Federer should be a 12. Djokovic should be 10/10 for defence, while Fed I'd probably only give a 7 in his prime years (if we're talking about his current form, I'd make it a 4-5).

 

[LuckyR]

Ok, so we have 4 categories: offense, defense, acumen, mental strength.

Rank players, any players you choose – from best to worst whatever, on a scale from 1-10 in each category and give an overall score. For comparative purposes, it should be the players playing at a 'very good' level based on what you've seen of them; not some hypothetical peak (over the years, not necessarily just the current era).

the terms are straight forward and purposely simple:

offense: (O) power, pace, ability to control the point.
defense: (D) speed, movement, ability to track down balls and do something with them.
acumen: (A) 'talent', ultimate ability to beneficially manipulate one's environment and circumstances.
mental strength: (MS) psychological toughness and fortitude.

Simple and straight forward? Folks can't agree who better when all they have to go on is W/L record...

 

[DRII]

This isn't different. This is the same subjective, he-passes-the-eye-test bullcrap that litters every other thread in the General Pros section. You're saying such-and-such gets a 10 or 9 because of what? Because it LOOKS good and true. You can't put a quantitative value on talent, period. I was humoring you earlier. There's nothing wrong with a GOAT debate in itself. However, when people ignore basic things like head-to-head, sets won, titles won, it degenerates into pages of nothingness.

grumpy much? guess that why you're 'digrntled worker'...

yes this is subjective, meaning I or you or anyone else can give a 10 or 1 to whatever criteria for whatever reason! its up to each individual poster!

if you want a thread based on nothing but stats; start one!

 

[Morj]

Fed: O-9 D-8 A-10 MS-7 Total: 34
Nad: O-8 D-9 A-9 MS-10 Total: 36
Djok: O-8 D-10 A-7 MS-8 Total: 33
Murr: O-6 D-9 A-8 MS-6 Total: 31

 

[DRII]

Fed: O-9 D-8 A-10 MS-7 Total: 34
Nad: O-8 D-9 A-9 MS-10 Total: 36
Djok: O-8 D-10 A-7 MS-8 Total: 33
Murr: O-6 D-9 A-8 MS-6 Total: 31

interesting...

 

[DRII]

Hingis: O-7, D-7, A-8, MS-9, Overall- 31

 

[fednad]

One of the best threads in ages. I'll do some ranking when I have time. Btw @DRII..... #TeamVenus

Agreed.
But, you just wait. TDK is coming in a minute.

 

[DRII]

Berdych: O-9, D-6, A-8, MS-6, Overall- 29

 

[DRII]

Delpo: O-9, D-7, A-9, MS-7, Overall- 32