Since 2004, The Rome Final has showcased either of Nadal or Djokovic

Last time Rome champion played evening SF was Djokovic in 2011. Early afternoon final is so unfair towards a player with less rest. Why not have a day's break between SF and F?
 

Tsongerer

Rookie
Ok how many Monte Carlo masters and Rome masters Federer won ??

By your logic , Nadal and Safin are greater players than Federer at Australian Open ?? . ( 2005 & 2009 )
By my logic they have the same amount of RG slams and finals (1 and 4) and Fed beat Nole in his best year on tour while Fed was 2 months away from turning 30 and playing on his worst surface.

Nadal and Safin both have 1 AO compared to Roger's 6, such a ludicrous comparison.

And really? We are going to mix BO3 ATP tour tournaments into the discussion?

Also, Safin could hit Federer off the court on his best days. It didn't happen often, but it was possible. Nadal didn't play 05-07 Fed on Rebound Ace and even then, he is stylistically the worst match up in the world for Roger.

2011 Federer is not a stylistic nightmare match up for Nole (that would be someone who can outblast him from the baseline, like Wawrinka), nor did he have a lucky day were he hit winners left and right. In fact he beat him from the baseline that day being simply the superior player in the rallies.
 

maratha_warrior

Hall of Fame
By my logic they have the same amount of RG slams and finals (1 and 4) and Fed beat Nole in his best year on tour while Fed was 2 months away from turning 30 and playing on his worst surface.

Nadal and Safin both have 1 AO compared to Roger's 6, such a ludicrous comparison.

And really? We are going to mix BO3 ATP tour tournaments into the discussion?

Also, Safin could hit Federer off the court on his best days. It didn't happen often, but it was possible. Nadal didn't play 05-07 Fed on Rebound Ace and even then, he is stylistically the worst match up in the world for Roger.

2011 Federer is not a stylistic nightmare match up for Nole (that would be someone who can outblast him from the baseline, like Wawrinka), nor did he have a lucky day were he hit winners left and right. In fact he beat him from the baseline that day being simply the superior player in the rallies.
If Federer was 2 months away from turning 30 in 2011 , then Djokovic was 10 months away from turning 30 in 2016 when he won his RG . Novak played at peak level when he was close to 30 too . Now that 8 months difference will be 8 years difference for you guys lol :D

I was talking about 2nd best clay courter and not about 2nd best RG player for last 15 years.
Novak is clearly 2nd best clay player as he won all clay masters twice .

If You bring up 1 win against peak Djoker , then why don't you brink the fact that Nadal has lost 15 times on Clay and lost to Novak 7 times . 7 freaking times versus clay GOAT o_O

If you respect Fed's one win versus peak Djoker at 2011 RG and ignore all other clay achievements then , Nadal and Safin both beat Peak Fed at AO . they deserve equal respect....
 

maratha_warrior

Hall of Fame
Achievements wise surely cuz weak competition to pile up his trophy cabinet in 2014-16...
Novak doesn't need weak competition to reach finals on clay surface.
He actually beat Nadal as many times on Clay in just one year 2011 , as many times Federer beat Nadal in his entire career ..
Competition doesn't even come into the discussion .
And Nadal was peak on clay during 2008 to 2012 .
 

StrongRule

G.O.A.T.
Wanna bet? I am willing to bet that if they both teach the final, Nadal is not losing to Djokovic. Assuming he doesn't play a long match before the final.
Dude, Djokovic didn't lose a single match this year except for a DQ. How can anyone say he isn't the favorite for every tournament he enters is beyond me. Especially when Nadal is clearly vulnerable against players who can play from the baseline. And especially given the cold weather and the new RG conditions.
 

StrongRule

G.O.A.T.
Flashbacks to 2014:

"Nadal can't even beat Almagro anymore. He is for sure not beating Djokovic."
I admit that Schwartzman was GOATing yesterday, and Nadal didn't play nearly as bad as he did for most of the 2014 clay season. But the problem is, more and more players have confidence that they can beat him. On the other hand nobody has the confidence against Djokovic, so players just keeping choking against him. So Djokovic is a lock for RG.
 
I admit that Schwartzman was GOATing yesterday, and Nadal didn't play nearly as bad as he did for most of the 2014 clay season. But the problem is, more and more players have confidence that they can beat him. On the other hand nobody has the confidence against Djokovic, so players just keeping choking against him. So Djokovic is a lock for RG.
If nadal wins this RG, you have to shut your f**k for permanently...
You're always the same, always downplaying nadal. Please Don't even claim to be his fan.
You're sh*tposting since madrid 2019, and rafa has won 2 slam, 2 masters, a 500, a run to the SF of wimby-wtf-paris, back to back great indoors performance s since then with dominant wins over djokovic-federer-thiem in that stretch. And yet you have the audacity to spread that downplaying poop again and again..
Get a life, dude.
 
If nadal wins this RG, you have to shut your f**k for permanently...
You're always the same, always downplaying nadal. Please Don't even claim to be his fan.
You're sh*tposting since madrid 2019, and rafa has won 2 slam, 2 masters, a 500, a run to the SF of wimby-wtf-paris, back to back great indoors performance s since then with dominant wins over djokovic-federer-thiem in that stretch. And yet you have the audacity to spread that downplaying poop again and again..
Get a life, dude.
Don't run away from this, answer with reasoning @StrongRule
 

Phoenix1983

G.O.A.T.
And how much did Djokovic win since then? I guess much more. Yet you think it is crazy that I think he is the big favorite for all the slams right now. :unsure:
I think it’s crazy.

The man may be favourite at hard court slams (narrowly, ahead of Thiem), but at RG? When we have a man playing there who has lost twice in 15 years on the terre battue in Paris?
 

StrongRule

G.O.A.T.
I think it’s crazy.

The man may be favourite at hard court slams (narrowly, ahead of Thiem), but at RG? When we have a man playing there who has lost twice in 15 years on the terre battue in Paris?
Rome is a tournament on clay, right? Djokovic is going to win it. Nadal didn't even reach the semifinals. Really, who cares what happened in the past? So Nadal was the favorite in RG 2015-2016 as well? Of course he wasn't.

Djokovic won 5 of the last 8 slams and only lost a match this year after a DQ. This is all we need to know. How can he not be the big favorite is beyond me.
 

Phoenix1983

G.O.A.T.
Rome is a tournament on clay, right? Djokovic is going to win it. Nadal didn't even reach the semifinals. Really, who cares what happened in the past? So Nadal was the favorite in RG 2015-2016 as well? Of course he wasn't.

Djokovic won 5 of the last 8 slams and only lost a match this year after a DQ. This is all we need to know. How can he not be the big favorite is beyond me.
Rome is a Bo3 sets clay tournament which is not the big event.

Nadal has done everything he can to peak for RG this year - perhaps even more so than usual. Skipping the USO (forget his Covid excuse) and not really caring about Rome.

If you think the Bull shall be an easy take-down in Bo5 at RG, think again. Especially as it’s almost certain that Novak Djokovic shall have to defeat Thiem in the SF before he even faces him.
 

StrongRule

G.O.A.T.
Rome is a Bo3 sets clay tournament which is not the big event.

Nadal has done everything he can to peak for RG this year - perhaps even more so than usual. Skipping the USO (forget his Covid excuse) and not really caring about Rome.

If you think the Bull shall be an easy take-down in Bo5 at RG, think again. Especially as it’s almost certain that Novak Djokovic shall have to defeat Thiem in the SF before he even faces him.
Thiem might be in Nadal's half. Djokovic is getting the easiest possible draws recently.
 
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