NoleFam
Bionic Poster
You seem very shook
Lol. Do I?
Since 2010...
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Lol. Do I?
TennisFan3
Talk Tennis Guru
He's NOT in the top 5 favorites. Barely in the top 10.And yet he’s 4th favorite for the ‘22 US Open
Djokovic_is_the_best#1
Bionic Poster
You keep underestimating Goatdal sir
Kralingen
Talk Tennis Guru
Lol please list the players ahead of him?
TennisFan3
Talk Tennis Guru
Everyone in the top 10, not named Nadal.
TennisFan3
Talk Tennis Guru
I was trolling.. haha. But Nadal is definitely vulnerable on hardcourts.You keep underestimating Goatdal sir
I wouldn't count him as a lock or one of the top favorites. Bookies rate him low for a reason.
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
If Nadal is healthy someone is gonna have to be in ridiculous form and ready to outplay him for at least 4 hours
TennisFan3
Talk Tennis Guru
He is vulnerable to Zverev (big time), Medvedev and even Titspas. Then also, Sinner and Alcaraz might be BIG threats.
And this is NOT even counting Novak - who if he plays - would be favorite for the title.
Djokovic_is_the_best#1
Bionic Poster
Yep and only one man has really been able to do that in past and he’s staying in Serbia. Even then Novak has found Rafa very tough in America over the years.
NoleFam
Bionic Poster
No in form Thiem (who was a true threat when he was at the top of the game), Zverev injured and questionable, Djokovic banned, vulnerable Medvedev after his mental implosion at AO, and green Alcaraz? Sinner could be dangerous or not, no one knows if he will bring his Wimbledon form into the USO. Nadal is the favorite if things stand the way they do now once the USO starts.
Djokovic_is_the_best#1
Bionic Poster
Zverev probably won’t be match fit in time, Meddy sadly is rafa’s pigeon at moment and tsitsipas is to weak mentally to win a slam and still lacks things in his game on hard courts. Sinner and alcaraz are the new hopes sure but they still have a lot to prove. They may have a decent run but I still don’t think they ready for the next level yet and beating currently the greatest in Nadal over 5 sets.
TennisFan3
Talk Tennis Guru
Nadal is pretty vulnerable to Zedzilla on hards. Just look at H2h history. Zed also nearly had Rafa on clay in FO 2022.
Med - plays Nadal close obviously and has beaten him on hards.
Titspas - beat Nadal on hards at slam level.
Sinner - always causes headaches to Nadal. And right now Sinner is in the form of his life.
Alcaraz: Rapidly improving. Caused Nadal fits in IW. Could easily beat Nadal in B05.
All this is NOT even counting Novak. Coz if Novak plays UsOpen 2022 - then everyone else is playing for the second place.
Nadal is only favorite in RG - no other slam. And next year, at 37, even that may not be true.
NoleFam
Bionic Poster
- Zedzilla is injured though. He's not a threat to anyone with a bum ankle so there's a big question mark on him. He is the most dangerous though for sure on hardcourt right now.
- Medvedev imploded while up 2 sets to love with 0-40. Nadal is not the least bit afraid of him. Lol.
- Tsitsipas did beat Nadal in Australia but he has regressed. As of now, I wouldn't put him as a main threat.
- Sinner can be dangerous for sure but he also can turn into a brainless ball basher. No one knows what form he will bring.
- Alcaraz is potentially the 2nd most dangerous after an in form Zverev but he's the new kid on the block, and may not be ready for prime time.
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The_Order
G.O.A.T.
So you are using a sample size from a different era then you say I have nothing.... lol do your research...
Sinner was top 10 AFTER the match? Because of last year's Wimbledon points dropping
What's fundamental is 2018 is rarely sooked upon by you and your cohorts... wonder why...
Again, if you think he's won too many blame your boy for losing two finals to him...
Djokovic's last two Wimbledons were a dead set JOKE. You're right it's not his fault but the fact is they were a JOKE...
The fact is 2 Wimbledons in a row were inflated...
Then he lucked out playing 33+ year old Federer in THREE finals...
If 33+ year old Federer was in 06-08 finals and 06-08 Federer was in 14, 15 and 19 finals, Nadal would have 4 Wimbledon titles now and Novak would have the same but 2 of those from the weakest Wimbledon draws since 2002..
Title count will say Novak has same as Petros, but we all know Petros and Federer are better than him at Wimbledon.
Whereas the US Open you've got no excuse for your boy fluffing up two finals against Nadal which is the sole reason Rafa has more than him.
The_Order
G.O.A.T.
His Wimbledon form? Where he turns up for 2 sets then performs a vanishing act? Scary stuff...
You're so desperate to try and pump up Novak's latest Wimbledon run it's embarrassing...
All of those things you are crying about were more or less a factor at Wimbledon...
2 finalists out due to Covid (Cilic was in prettygood form as was Berrettini)
Zed out due to injury...
FAA and Hurkacz **** the bed in round 1...
Russians banned (even if they were no threat they CERTAINLY impacted the draw in a negative way)
Nadal injured...
Norrie SF
Kyrgios final
And you've got the decency to cry about this year's US Open before it's even happened...
NoleFam
Bionic Poster
@The_Order , give it up and stop floundering like a desperate blowfish for H2O. LOL. You have nothing and I spoke straight facts. You can deal or not deal with it. Your choice really, but stop deflecting with these ridiculous arguments. Nadal would have 4 Wimbledons if he played 33+ Federer? He got polished off in 4 sets by a 38 year old Federer. What are you talking about? So you need to come up with time travel hypothetical nonsense because the player he was in 2019 wasn't enough to actually beat him? Djokovic has 7 Wimbledons and Nadal has 2. It's a joke you think he deserves more than 2 when he hasn't been to a final in 11 years.
And I was commenting on who the favorite for the USO would be if Djokovic doesn't play. I'm not crying about the field. I leave crap like that to whining posters like you. Good night.
And I was commenting on who the favorite for the USO would be if Djokovic doesn't play. I'm not crying about the field. I leave crap like that to whining posters like you. Good night.
InsideOut900
Legend
So you mention Nadal losing to 06-08 Fed at Wimbledon as the reason for the Wimbledon disparity, but omit Nadal losing to Djokovic in 2011 and 2018 in a prime for prime match and in a 50/50 slightly past prime match.
Yet on the opposite scenario you fail to mention Djokovic losing to 07-09 Fed at USO, especially in 07-08 when no one else was beating him, but you omit Nadal getting two weak draws in 2017 and 2019.
Talk about picking your arguments and lack of consistency.
Tenacity
Hall of Fame
Ouch. Someone is gonna sleep like a baby tonight.
NoleFam
Bionic Poster
I just finished a glass of rum so yes I will.
Bender
G.O.A.T.
If Nadal can navigate past Sinner and/or Alcaraz, doesn't suck for absolutely no reason, and doesn't catch another injury out of the blue, I think he should be in prime position to win the USO this year.
With Zverev and mostly likely Djokovic also out, two major threats are out of his way.
With Zverev and mostly likely Djokovic also out, two major threats are out of his way.
The_Order
G.O.A.T.
Not a chance I will "give it up"...
Do you not understand that when Rafa lost to 38 yr old Federer Rafa himself was 33?
It's obvious to everyone that had the 06-08 version of Nadal faced 33+ yr old Federer rather than peak Federer in those finals, he would've won them all... so that's 3 + the title he won in 2010... it's simple maths... 4 titles...
Your boy lucked out BIG TIME at Wimbledon... far more so than Rafa at the US Open buddy...
Struggled against old man Rogi... you put 06-08 versions of Fed in those finals and it's lights out for Djesus (son of Srdjan)...
Good night
The_Order
G.O.A.T.
So you mention Nadal losing to 06-08 Fed at Wimbledon as the reason for the Wimbledon disparity, but omit Nadal losing to Djokovic in 2011 and 2018 in a prime for prime match and in a 50/50 slightly past prime match.
Yet on the opposite scenario you fail to mention Djokovic losing to 07-09 Fed at USO, especially in 07-08 when no one else was beating him, but you omit Nadal getting two weak draws in 2017 and 2019.
Talk about picking your arguments and lack of consistency.
Ummm... didn't I say they'd have 4 titles each? So how is that leaving out 2011 and 2018 results??
07 he would've lost to Roddick
08 probably he wins
09 he would've lost to Delpo
So he'd get 1 more US Open with no Fed...
It's completely different than vulturing Wimbledon titles against old man Rogi in 3 finals where Nadal had to face him at his best in 3 finals...
RF-18
Talk Tennis Guru
Not a chance I will "give it up"...
Do you not understand that when Rafa lost to 38 yr old Federer Rafa himself was 33?
It's obvious to everyone that had the 06-08 version of Nadal faced 33+ yr old Federer rather than peak Federer in those finals, he would've won them all... so that's 3 + the title he won in 2010... it's simple maths... 4 titles...
Your boy lucked out BIG TIME at Wimbledon... far more so than Rafa at the US Open buddy...
Struggled against old man Rogi... you put 06-08 versions of Fed in those finals and it's lights out for Djesus (son of Srdjan)...
Good night
Hey, Nadal got schooled by 38 year old Federer. You are not permitted to talk about hypotheticals nor that Djoko struggled cause Nadal got absolutely schooled by the same Federer Djoko has played and beaten. Nadal sits perfectly at 2 titles. He has not reached a final in 11 years for god sake and You are talking about hypotheticals where he should have more. Completely unfounded. In the same time period Djokovic has 8 finals yet You are talking about luck? lmao!!!!
The_Order
G.O.A.T.
Nah mate I get to talk about what I want... don't like it, too bad for you.
It doesn't even make one difference to the point that Nadal hasn't made it to a Wimbledon final in 11 years... the fact is, he made it to 5 there and in 3 of them he faced Federer at his best.
Nadal WIM19 was nowhere near Nadal WIM06, let alone 07 and 08...
Novak got lucky face old Federer... and he barely beat him in two of those matches... If he had to play peak Federer he would've been beat at every turn.
Nadal otoh got unlucky to face peak Federer in 3 finals... still good enough to win one, nearly 2 of them.
It's obv to anyone who watches this sport. Only ********* like you are in denial
weakera
Talk Tennis Guru
Nah mate I get to talk about what I want... don't like it, too bad for you.
It doesn't even make one difference to the point that Nadal hasn't made it to a Wimbledon final in 11 years... the fact is, he made it to 5 there and in 3 of them he faced Federer at his best.
Nadal WIM19 was nowhere near Nadal WIM06, let alone 07 and 08...
Novak got lucky face old Federer... and he barely beat him in two of those matches... If he had to play peak Federer he would've been beat at every turn.
Nadal otoh got unlucky to face peak Federer in 3 finals... still good enough to win one, nearly 2 of them.
It's obv to anyone who watches this sport. Only ********* like you are in denial
Djokovic's entire advantage over Federer in the h2h is age-driven, unlike Nadal who was manhandling Federer since day 1
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
RF-18
Talk Tennis Guru
Nah mate I get to talk about what I want... don't like it, too bad for you.
It doesn't even make one difference to the point that Nadal hasn't made it to a Wimbledon final in 11 years... the fact is, he made it to 5 there and in 3 of them he faced Federer at his best.
Nadal WIM19 was nowhere near Nadal WIM06, let alone 07 and 08...
Novak got lucky face old Federer... and he barely beat him in two of those matches... If he had to play peak Federer he would've been beat at every turn.
Nadal otoh got unlucky to face peak Federer in 3 finals... still good enough to win one, nearly 2 of them.
It's obv to anyone who watches this sport. Only ********* like you are in denial
No, your hypotheticals isn't obvious to anyone. It's just hypotheticals. ''Woulda coulda shoulda''. Djokovic has every stat in the book to back up his success at Wimbledon. Everything is crystal clear.
However when it comes to Nadal there is nothing clear about him and there are alot of doubts out there. If you have collected losses such as Rosol, Darcis, Kyrgios, Brown and Muller then you are in no position to put him up against another guy Who has the 2nd most match wins in the entirety of Wimbledon history and is currently on a 28 match winning streak and 4 successful title defences aswell as not losing a match in center court in nearly 10 years. In what world are you living to start speculate about unfortune and luck with successes like these compared to the joke Nadal has been on grass for the Majority of his career?
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Backspin1183
Talk Tennis Guru
He hasn't lost a match in all 3 Slams contested this year on three different surfaces.
The_Order
G.O.A.T.
Goffin, Bautista Agut, 38 yr old Federer
Fucsovics, Shapovalov, Berrettini
Sinner, Norrie, Kyrgios
= 3 Wimbledon titles!!!
What a grass legend!
NoleFam
Bionic Poster
So Nadal, who couldn't make a QF at all for 7 years at Wimbledon deserves to have 4 Wimbledons and 4 time defending champ Djokovic, who won 6/8 of them, deserves to have 3 of his stripped so he also has 4? Do I have this correct?Not a chance I will "give it up"...
Do you not understand that when Rafa lost to 38 yr old Federer Rafa himself was 33?
It's obvious to everyone that had the 06-08 version of Nadal faced 33+ yr old Federer rather than peak Federer in those finals, he would've won them all... so that's 3 + the title he won in 2010... it's simple maths... 4 titles...
Your boy lucked out BIG TIME at Wimbledon... far more so than Rafa at the US Open buddy...
Struggled against old man Rogi... you put 06-08 versions of Fed in those finals and it's lights out for Djesus (son of Srdjan)...
Good night
So in your little hypothetical, Djokovic is lucky and Nadal is just as good on grass but he's unlucky? Do you have no shame? He hasn't contended a final for the title since he was 25, and he's 36 now, but he deserves 4 Wimbledons? LOL.
The_Order
G.O.A.T.
So Nadal, who couldn't make a QF at all for 7 years at Wimbledon deserves to have 4 Wimbledons and 4 time defending champ Djokovic, who won 6/8 of them, deserves to have 3 of his stripped so he also has 4? Do I have this correct?
Again, you've got your Djok blinkers on...
From 06-10 Nadal was very formidable at Wimbledon. The fact that Fed at his best struggled to handle him attests to that.
Instead of going all ape ****, use your common sense. If Fed at that stage was having a hard time with that version of Nadal, what do you think would happen to 33, 34 and 38 year old Federer? Or are you one of those that thinks he was just as good in his mid 30's as he was at his peak? Nadal in 06 faces WIM14 final Fed and he wins that match. Nadal in 07 faces WIM15 Fed, he wins that one. Nadal in 08 faces WIM19 Fed and he's winning that one too.... So that is 3 titles plus the one he wins in 2010 which makes it 4.
Djokovic in WIM14 faces WIM06 Fed he loses. Djokovic in WIM15 faces WIM07 Fed he loses. Djokovic in WIM19 faces WIM08 Fed he loses. That puts him on 4.
So it's not about what they deserve... it's just pointing out that one was way luckier than the other... so maybe you should stop flapping your gums about Nadal having an inflated US Open title count especially when your boy lost to him in 2 finals there...
NoleFam
Bionic Poster
2006 Nadal wouldn't have even gotten to the final in a stronger year. Barely beat a guy ranked #237 in the world in that tournament, and had a rather easy draw to get to the final match. Yet you think he deserved to win a title based on this.
Me use my common sense? The irony of it all. You want to hand Nadal hypothetical Wimbledon titles based on some hypothetical nonsense in your head yet he hasn't done anything to prove that he's worthy of them at Wimbledon. All I'm reading is belligerent nonsense that does not apply in reality. Reality is he is a 2 time Wimbledon champ but he is not on Federer or Djokovic's level on grass. He beat Federer in a great match in 2008, which was well earned, and won in 2010 but that's where the line is drawn.
He didn't beat Djokovic or Federer in 2018 or 2019, went years without even making it to a QF, and hasn't made a final in 11 years and counting. You can believe all you want that he's Djokovic's equal on grass but everything else points to otherwise. How about accept that and stop embarrassing yourself.
The_Order
G.O.A.T.
Lmao still harping on about post 2010 Nadal Wimbledon results... you're the one with nothing mate...
Yeah in 2006 Nadal struggled early on but as the tournament went on he got better and better... by the time he was in the final he was giving Fed problems. Should have won the 2nd set, took the 3rd set with some of the best tennis on a grass court you'd ever see...
An older choking Federer would have stood no hope.
You want to stick to reality only then stop crying about the fact that Nadal has more US Opens than Djokovic and trying to dust can it by saying he was lucky when it's clear to everyone Novak has been way luckier at Wimbledon....
InsideOut900
Legend
But in a world where Federer doesn't exist and it's all on Nadal and Djokovic, Nadal wins 4 and Djokovic 7 or 8 even
Why should I care about the scenario where Nadal gets the much easier time, Djokovic is better there, he has 5 extra titles.
The_Order
G.O.A.T.
But in a world where Federer doesn't exist and it's all on Nadal and Djokovic, Nadal wins 4 and Djokovic 7 or 8 even
Why should I care about the scenario where Nadal gets the much easier time, Djokovic is better there, he has 5 extra titles.
Why should I care about a scenario where Federer doesn't exist?
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