Since 2020, Djokovic has...

[Rafa4LifeEver]

Won 21 of his last 26 matches against the so called next best players, Tsitsipas, Zverev and Medvedev

9 of his last 9 matches against Tsitsipas
7 of his last 9 matches against Medvedev
5 of his last 7 matches against Zverev

Out of the 21 wins, 10 were straight set victories.

Remember, before 2020, these 3 players were labelled as the next 3 big things & the giants who'll take over the sport.
Before 2020, Djokovic was 7-6 against these 3, almost losing half of his matches against them.

Before 2020 :- 7-6 Djokovic, 54% win ratio
After 2020 :- 21-5 Djokovic, 81% win ratio

When you look at their slam record, its even more absurdly one-sided, Djokovic is 9-1 against all 3 combined at Slam level. That's a 90% ratio.

It absolutely blows away your mind when you look at it, and the hype around Djokovic getting bounced in a potential upset everytime he plays one of these 3. Come on guys, stop hyping it up!! They're all pretty much piegons of Novak.

At this stage, only once Novak loses any significant movement and serve, these guys will probably start beating him again regularly.
And I pretty much doubt it, I really believe that Djokovic will outlast their generation like he did with the generation of Raonic, Dimitrov and Nishikori.


Note :- edited on 2nd June 2024 for updated information

Record is now 21-5 from 18-4
Slam record is 9-1

 

[D.Nalby12]

Inflation era

 

[MeatTornado]

The narrative was that he "struggled" against them as opposed to Rafa who dominated them.

 

[Nadal_Django]

Similar H2H dynamics like against Nadal, Federer, Tsonga etc. Djokovic is the best problem solver in the history of the game.

 

[Kralingen]

Zverev denied him YEC and Olympics, Medvedev denied him another YEC and a CYGS.

Wouldn't say they are pigeons, as they have defeated him in the biggest moments.

However, all 3 of the little 3 are clearly flawed and Djokovic has mostly figured them out.

 

[Rafa4LifeEver]

Similar H2H dynamics like against Nadal, Federer, Tsonga etc. Djokovic is the best problem solver in the history of this game.

Putting Tsonga in the same category as Nadal and Federer means I'm done arguing with you, Djokovic_Django.

 

[itrium84]

Won 18 of his last 22 matches against the so called next best players, Tsitsipas, Zverev and Medvedev

8 of his last 8 matches against Tsitsipas
6 of his last 8 matches against Medvedev
4 of his last 6 matches against Zverev

Out of the 18 wins, 7 were straight set victories.

Remember, before 2020, these 3 players were labelled as the next 3 big things & the giants who'll take over the sport.
Before 2020, Djokovic was 7-6 against these 3, almost losing half of his matches against them.

Before 2020 :- 7-6 Djokovic, 53.8% win ratio
After 2020 :- 18-4 Djokovic, 81.8% win ratio

It absolutely blows away your mind when you look at it, and the hype around Djokovic getting bounced in a potential upset everytime he plays one of these 3. Come on guys, stop hyping it up!! They're all pretty much piegons of Novak.

At this stage, only once Novak loses any significant movement and serve, these guys will probably start beating him again regularly.
And I pretty much doubt it, I really believe that Djokovic will outlast their generation like he did with the generation of Raonic, Dimitrov and Nishikori.

It's not something I expect, but I do hope it will happen.

 

[Rafa4LifeEver]

The narrative was that he "struggled" against them as opposed to Rafa who dominated them.

Rafa's record against them is pretty healthy too; obviously he's more tennis mileage so his % don't look as good.

 

[Rafa4LifeEver]

It's not something I expect, but I do hope it will happen.

Djokovic and Nadal have outlasted Thiem's gen too.
Where are the likes of Thiem, Goffin etc?

 

[OldschoolKIaus]

Zverev ... lol

 

[StrongRule]

Tsitsipas should have never been taken seriously from the beginning. However, Medvedev keeps disappointing a lot. Since losing that AO 2022 final he just keeps losing to everyone. Actually lost to Kyrgios in USO.

 

[Rafa4LifeEver]

Zverev denied him YEC and Olympics, Medvedev denied him another YEC and a CYGS.

Wouldn't say they are pigeons, as they have defeated him in the biggest moments.

However, all 3 of the little 3 are clearly flawed and Djokovic has mostly figured them out.

18-4 is pigeonness of the highest order
And when you look at the slam h2h its even worse
7-1.

 

[Rafa4LifeEver]

Zverev ... lol

What's so laughable there?

 

[Deleted member 629564]

Weak era.
Another proof that Federer >>>>> Djokovic.

 

[jl809]

On HC there isn’t any top player except Rune whom Djoker hasn’t figured out yet or established mental dominance over. Literally the only threat to him at the AO is Stan lol

 

[Deleted member 629564]

Tsitsipas should have never been taken seriously from the beginning. However, Medvedev keeps disappointing a lot. Since losing that AO 2022 final he just keeps losing to everyone. Actually lost to Kyrgios in USO.

He beat Murray in Miami, Fritz in Cincy, and Ruusuvuori in Astana.
Grabbed the ATP Vienna title as well.

 

[ChrisRF]

Weak era.
Another proof that Federer >>>>> Djokovic.

Come on, I'm a big Federer fan, but this is absurd. You cannot prove Djokovic being inferior with him winning and dominating.

I hope it was a joke post though.

 

[sportsfan1]

Won 18 of his last 22 matches against the so called next best players, Tsitsipas, Zverev and Medvedev

8 of his last 8 matches against Tsitsipas
6 of his last 8 matches against Medvedev
4 of his last 6 matches against Zverev

Out of the 18 wins, 7 were straight set victories.

Remember, before 2020, these 3 players were labelled as the next 3 big things & the giants who'll take over the sport.
Before 2020, Djokovic was 7-6 against these 3, almost losing half of his matches against them.

Before 2020 :- 7-6 Djokovic, 53.8% win ratio
After 2020 :- 18-4 Djokovic, 81.8% win ratio

It absolutely blows away your mind when you look at it, and the hype around Djokovic getting bounced in a potential upset everytime he plays one of these 3. Come on guys, stop hyping it up!! They're all pretty much piegons of Novak.

At this stage, only once Novak loses any significant movement and serve, these guys will probably start beating him again regularly.
And I pretty much doubt it, I really believe that Djokovic will outlast their generation like he did with the generation of Raonic, Dimitrov and Nishikori.

Yes it's quite possible he could play very high level for a few more years until late 30s, like Federer. Zverev was showing some potential against Novak but got injured. Same with thiem. Med has been sort of figured out by Novak. His motivation may take a dive once he's overtaken Nadal and some new player like Alcaraz becomes popular.

 

[Rafa4LifeEver]

Yes it's quite possible he could play very high level for a few more years until late 30s, like Federer. Zverev was showing some potential against Novak but got injured. Same with thiem. Med has been sort of figured out by Novak.

Zverev lost both slam matches & Thiem, while he did win some good matches, failed to deliver when it really mattered in the AO final.

 

[MeatTornado]

Rafa's record against them is pretty healthy too; obviously he's more tennis mileage so his % don't look as good.

It's extraordinary. I'm just pointing out that it was often used by some to promote what a better/smarter player Nadal was that he could bamboozle the young guys while Djokovic the simple baseline grinder was getting exposed and wouldn't hold much longer as he aged.

 

[Rafa4LifeEver]

It's extraordinary. I'm just pointing out that it was often used by some to promote what a better/smarter player Nadal was that he could bamboozle the young guys while Djokovic the simple baseline grinder was getting exposed and wouldn't hold much longer as he aged.

Anyone claiming that Djokovic is a simple baseline grinder should not be taken seriously.
He is one of the best at controlled agression and point construction, exploiting weaknesses etc.

 

[MichaelNadal]

Djokovic and Nadal have outlasted Thiem's gen too.
Where are the likes of Thiem, Goffin etc?

Pretty crazy to think about. Rafa was out there with Henman, Coria and Agassi

 

[Rafa4LifeEver]

Pretty crazy to think about. Rafa was out there with Henman, Coria and Agassi

Old fossil still strong.

 

[junior74]

The most impressive thing is Novak is doing a lot of this playing well below his best tennis...

Huge respect for Novak's ability to win when not at his best!

 

[Rafa4LifeEver]

The most impressive thing is Novak is doing a lot of this playing well below his best tennis...

Huge respect for Novak's ability to win when not at his best!

Imagine what a 2011 Novak would do to these mugs

 

[Silverbullet96]

Rafa's record against them is pretty healthy too; obviously he's more tennis mileage so his % don't look as good.

Just FYI cause I looked up after seeing your comment, before this week started Djokovic's total professional matches (Singles + Doubles) is 1375 and Nadal's is 1497.

 

[Nadal_Django]

Nadal has a much bettet h2h v Djokovic at the Slams? How is Tsonga comparable?

Nadal is one of Djokovic's biggest pigeons on the tour since Djokovic eventually have him figured out after 2010. And no amount of pathetic little clay gerrymandering from the Spaniard, will change that fact.

 

[Rafa4LifeEver]

Just FYI cause I looked up after seeing your comment, before this week started Djokovic's total professional matches (Singles + Doubles) is 1375 and Nadal's is 1497.

Plus, Djokovic has mostly been lucky with injuries not affecting him that much.

 

[jl809]

Rune? What has Rune done apart from one good week in Paris when the season is realistically over for most players.

Well has Djoker figured him out or not? That’s what I’m talking about, not Rune’s career CV

 

[Carax]

Won 18 of his last 22 matches against the so called next best players, Tsitsipas, Zverev and Medvedev

8 of his last 8 matches against Tsitsipas
6 of his last 8 matches against Medvedev
4 of his last 6 matches against Zverev

Out of the 18 wins, 7 were straight set victories.

Remember, before 2020, these 3 players were labelled as the next 3 big things & the giants who'll take over the sport.
Before 2020, Djokovic was 7-6 against these 3, almost losing half of his matches against them.

Before 2020 :- 7-6 Djokovic, 53.8% win ratio
After 2020 :- 18-4 Djokovic, 81.8% win ratio

When you look at their slam record, its even more absurdly one-sided, Djokovic is 7-1 against all 3 combined at Slam level.

It absolutely blows away your mind when you look at it, and the hype around Djokovic getting bounced in a potential upset everytime he plays one of these 3. Come on guys, stop hyping it up!! They're all pretty much piegons of Novak.

At this stage, only once Novak loses any significant movement and serve, these guys will probably start beating him again regularly.
And I pretty much doubt it, I really believe that Djokovic will outlast their generation like he did with the generation of Raonic, Dimitrov and Nishikori.

I'm in Spain without the S.

 

[Nadal_Django]

Us open is not on clay. And one major is played on clay. Check their h2h at the Slams. You compared Nadal to Tsonga which is bizarre as Djokovic owns Tsonga totally whereas Nadal has a far superior h2h at grand slam level so the comparison didnt make any sense.

Nadal had like 16-7 lead up until 2010 didn't he!? Since then their H2H is 23-13 in Djokovic's favour, with the majority of Nadal wins coming from matches played on clay. If Nadal wasn't so desperately running away from meetings with Djokovic outside clay, then that H2H would be even worse. So the dynamics in the H2H is pretty similar with other more problematic Djokovic's H2Hs like with the one against Tsonga for example, very tight at the beginning, maybe even Djokovic trailing big at the start, but after a while, after Djokovic starts to figure his opponent out, then is basically all smooth sailing from then on. That's why Djokovic is one of the biggest problem solvers the game has ever seen.

 

[itrium84]

Djokovic and Nadal have outlasted Thiem's gen too.
Where are the likes of Thiem, Goffin etc?

I've always seen Thiem as some kind of intergenerational anomaly. Goffin was really a promising player at the start of his prime, I was genuinely worried he'll bring Djokovic domination to the end - It's so funny from this perspective.

 

[DSH]

Won 18 of his last 22 matches against the so called next best players, Tsitsipas, Zverev and Medvedev

8 of his last 8 matches against Tsitsipas
6 of his last 8 matches against Medvedev
4 of his last 6 matches against Zverev

Out of the 18 wins, 7 were straight set victories.

Remember, before 2020, these 3 players were labelled as the next 3 big things & the giants who'll take over the sport.
Before 2020, Djokovic was 7-6 against these 3, almost losing half of his matches against them.

Before 2020 :- 7-6 Djokovic, 53.8% win ratio
After 2020 :- 18-4 Djokovic, 81.8% win ratio

When you look at their slam record, its even more absurdly one-sided, Djokovic is 7-1 against all 3 combined at Slam level.

It absolutely blows away your mind when you look at it, and the hype around Djokovic getting bounced in a potential upset everytime he plays one of these 3. Come on guys, stop hyping it up!! They're all pretty much piegons of Novak.

At this stage, only once Novak loses any significant movement and serve, these guys will probably start beating him again regularly.
And I pretty much doubt it, I really believe that Djokovic will outlast their generation like he did with the generation of Raonic, Dimitrov and Nishikori.

The 'Lobo de Amor' magic potion is giving fantastic (and miraculous) results to the Serbian player.

 

[Lauren_Girl']

And he is still undefeated against so many players of this next gen...
for instance 8-0 against Shapovalov,
6-0 against Fritz,
4-0 against Coric , Ruud , Hurkacz and Berrettini,
3-0 against Musett and Norrie,
2-0 against Tiafoe and Sinner,
Positive H2H against every members of the current top-20 except Rune (1-1) and Alcaraz (0-1) (further there is also Kyrgios and Evans)

 

[mike danny]

Zverev denied him YEC and Olympics, Medvedev denied him another YEC and a CYGS.

Wouldn't say they are pigeons, as they have defeated him in the biggest moments.

However, all 3 of the little 3 are clearly flawed and Djokovic has mostly figured them out.

It was Thiem who denied Djokovic an YEC, not Med.

 

[mike danny]

Did we really need further confirmation that Next Gen guys suck? We all knew that already.

 

[Kralingen]

It was Thiem who denied Djokovic an YEC, not Med.

A pigeon is someone who never beats a guy in a Slam or a YEC knockout match. Someone like Roddick to Fed.

 

[BeatlesFan]

I'm not sure anyone was stupid enough to think Zverev, the Greek or Med would become "giants" of the sport. But it was logical to assume that once Djoker and Rafa got into their late 30's, they could start to beat them in slam finals. Med managed to do it, the other two will probably never win a slam between them.

 

[I Am Finnish]

What it tell us?

 

[Rafa4LifeEver]

The 'Lobo de Amor' magic potion is giving fantastic (and miraculous) results to the Serbian player.

Let's not get into the discussions like that, Djokovic is a great & naturally gifted athlete, he is incredibly disciplined in diet - training & highly focused - clutch when on court.
Any other player would have got his limbs ripped apart within just 2 or 3 years had he been sliding the way Novak has been since day 1, he should thank God for providing him such a flexible body.

 

[Rafa4LifeEver]

I'm in Spain without the S.

If I add another players from the same gen as Tsi, Med & Zed; like Khachanov, shapovalov, Fritz, etc you'd be in an even bigger of a shock as @Lauren_Girl' mentioned earlier in the thread.
Then the record is probably around 60 to 70 wins vs 6 to 7 losses.

And he is still undefeated against so many players of this next gen...
for instance 8-0 against Shapovalov,
6-0 against Fritz,
4-0 against Coric , Ruud , Hurkacz and Berrettini,
3-0 against Musett and Norrie,
2-0 against Tiafoe and Sinner,
Positive H2H against every members of the current top-20 except Rune (1-1) and Alcaraz (0-1) (further there is also Kyrgios and Evans)

 

[GabeT]

Hard to measure but maybe the best all around post 30 tennis player ever. Certainly among the best and with one of the best post 30 records

 

[Razer]

2022 year could have been a paradigm shift in tennis, but Alexander's injury ruined it, he was getting close to beating Nadal and Djokovic, had he crossed that mental hurdle somehow at the french and uso, this year 2023 could have been a new year with him as fav, but fate intervened. Djokovic and Nadal are lucky.

 

[socallefty]

2022 year could have been a paradigm shift in tennis, but Alexander's injury ruined it, he was getting close to beating Nadal and Djokovic, had he crossed that mental hurdle somehow at the french and uso, this year 2023 could have been a new year with him as fav, but fate intervened. Djokovic and Nadal are lucky.

Zverev was considered a mug on TTW when he was playing. Somehow he has become a living legend once he got injured. The dude has beaten one top 10 player in a Slams and double faults on demand when it gets tight in Slam matches against good players.

 

[mahatma]

Zverev was considered a mug on TTW when he was playing. Somehow he has become a living legend once he got injured. The dude has beaten one top 10 player in a Slams and double faults on demand when it gets tight in Slam matches against good players.

Zverev entered hypothetical territory before he hit his prime.

 

[DSH]

2022 year could have been a paradigm shift in tennis, but Alexander's injury ruined it, he was getting close to beating Nadal and Djokovic, had he crossed that mental hurdle somehow at the french and uso, this year 2023 could have been a new year with him as fav, but fate intervened. Djokovic and Nadal are lucky.

Zverev was not going to beat Nadal at Roland Garros outdoors but a great opportunity presented himself and he couldn't.
Against Joker he had two great opportunities at the Australian and United States Opens 2021 but he couldn't, either.
We will see if he has the mental strength to overcome his shortcomings and can reinvent himself, otherwise, the youngest will leave him without delivering the final 'blow' that he so longs to star in.

 

[Razer]

Zverev was considered a mug on TTW when he was playing. Somehow he has become a living legend once he got injured. The dude has beaten one top 10 player in a Slams and double faults on demand when it gets tight in Slam matches against good players.

1 win can do wonders, IF he had managed to go past Nadal somehow by outlasting him in that in 5 sets, then he would be the french open champ. He could have used that confidence to take him the US open as well since there is no Novak. Suddenly you are now looking at a 2 slam year in 2022 and number 1 seed for 2023, could have used to pick more slams. The media would have hailed him as "Alexander the Great Takes over Tennis ... " ..... It would have been epic.... but that injury ruined it for sure.

 

[mahatma]

1 win can do wonders, IF he had managed to go past Nadal somehow by outlasting him in that in 5 sets, then he would be the french open champ. He could have used that confidence to take him the US open as well since there is no Novak. Suddenly you are now looking at a 2 slam year in 2022 and number 1 seed for 2023, could have used to pick more slams. The media would have hailed him as "Alexander the Great Takes over Tennis ... " ..... It would have been epic.... but that injury ruined it for sure.

Remind me, he was down a set and was about to lose second set as well in RG after playing at his peakest peak. He would have had <10% odds to win against Nadal at RG down 2 sets. Getting past Nadal was also not happening, even if he wasn't injured. Let alone 2 slam year.

But ofcourse, hypothetical Zverev has 2 slams already.

 

[socallefty]

1 win can do wonders, IF he had managed to go past Nadal somehow by outlasting him in that in 5 sets, then he would be the french open champ. He could have used that confidence to take him the US open as well since there is no Novak. Suddenly you are now looking at a 2 slam year in 2022 and number 1 seed for 2023, could have used to pick more slams. The media would have hailed him as "Alexander the Great Takes over Tennis ... " ..... It would have been epic.... but that injury ruined it for sure.

Didn’t the guy blow 4 consecutive SPs in the first set when he was up 6-2 in the TB? And you think he was going to come back and beat Nadal at Roland Garros? Same old Zverev.

 

[ghostofMecir]

Won 18 of his last 22 matches against the so called next best players, Tsitsipas, Zverev and Medvedev

8 of his last 8 matches against Tsitsipas
6 of his last 8 matches against Medvedev
4 of his last 6 matches against Zverev

Out of the 18 wins, 7 were straight set victories.

Remember, before 2020, these 3 players were labelled as the next 3 big things & the giants who'll take over the sport.
Before 2020, Djokovic was 7-6 against these 3, almost losing half of his matches against them.

Before 2020 :- 7-6 Djokovic, 53.8% win ratio
After 2020 :- 18-4 Djokovic, 81.8% win ratio

When you look at their slam record, its even more absurdly one-sided, Djokovic is 7-1 against all 3 combined at Slam level.

It absolutely blows away your mind when you look at it, and the hype around Djokovic getting bounced in a potential upset everytime he plays one of these 3. Come on guys, stop hyping it up!! They're all pretty much piegons of Novak.

At this stage, only once Novak loses any significant movement and serve, these guys will probably start beating him again regularly.
And I pretty much doubt it, I really believe that Djokovic will outlast their generation like he did with the generation of Raonic, Dimitrov and Nishikori.

All three would have won 7+ slams in any other era, no?