Since 2020, Djokovic has...

[DSH]

All three would have won 7+ slams in any other era, no?

In the Ghost Age, sure, they would have made it.

 

[-snake-]

Won 18 of his last 22 matches against the so called next best players, Tsitsipas, Zverev and Medvedev

8 of his last 8 matches against Tsitsipas
6 of his last 8 matches against Medvedev
4 of his last 6 matches against Zverev

Out of the 18 wins, 7 were straight set victories.

Remember, before 2020, these 3 players were labelled as the next 3 big things & the giants who'll take over the sport.
Before 2020, Djokovic was 7-6 against these 3, almost losing half of his matches against them.

Before 2020 :- 7-6 Djokovic, 53.8% win ratio
After 2020 :- 18-4 Djokovic, 81.8% win ratio

When you look at their slam record, its even more absurdly one-sided, Djokovic is 7-1 against all 3 combined at Slam level.

It absolutely blows away your mind when you look at it, and the hype around Djokovic getting bounced in a potential upset everytime he plays one of these 3. Come on guys, stop hyping it up!! They're all pretty much piegons of Novak.

At this stage, only once Novak loses any significant movement and serve, these guys will probably start beating him again regularly.
And I pretty much doubt it, I really believe that Djokovic will outlast their generation like he did with the generation of Raonic, Dimitrov and Nishikori.

Love me some good ol' next gen bashing but why is it that no one is pointing out the elephant in the room? All those guys are giants and that's a a handicap when their serves aren't clicking. Joe has always done great vs the wannabe NBA gang. Nothing new.

 

[Rafa4LifeEver]

Love me some good ol' next gen bashing but why is it that no one is pointing out the elephant in the room? All those guys are giants and that's a a handicap when their serves aren't clicking. Joe has always done great vs the wannabe NBA gang. Nothing new.

They all looked to be troublesome for him before 2020 though

 

[Rafa4LifeEver]

All three would have won 7+ slams in any other era, no?

Undeniable Truth, close to the words of God.

 

[Omega_7000]

Won 18 of his last 22 matches against the so called next best players, Tsitsipas, Zverev and Medvedev

8 of his last 8 matches against Tsitsipas
6 of his last 8 matches against Medvedev
4 of his last 6 matches against Zverev

Out of the 18 wins, 7 were straight set victories.

Remember, before 2020, these 3 players were labelled as the next 3 big things & the giants who'll take over the sport.
Before 2020, Djokovic was 7-6 against these 3, almost losing half of his matches against them.

Before 2020 :- 7-6 Djokovic, 53.8% win ratio
After 2020 :- 18-4 Djokovic, 81.8% win ratio

When you look at their slam record, its even more absurdly one-sided, Djokovic is 7-1 against all 3 combined at Slam level.

It absolutely blows away your mind when you look at it, and the hype around Djokovic getting bounced in a potential upset everytime he plays one of these 3. Come on guys, stop hyping it up!! They're all pretty much piegons of Novak.

At this stage, only once Novak loses any significant movement and serve, these guys will probably start beating him again regularly.
And I pretty much doubt it, I really believe that Djokovic will outlast their generation like he did with the generation of Raonic, Dimitrov and Nishikori.

What amazes me even more is that he is able to beat them with a very physical style of play...Outgrindind them until they lose steam esp when things get tough. The guy runs, stretches and slides like he is 25 years old!

He has either discovered the fountain of youth or the fitness of every tennis generation post Djokodal has been pathetic which indicates tennis will keep losing fans. Won't be long until only hard-core Djokovic fans will be the only ones watching this sport.

 

[-snake-]

They all looked to be troublesome for him before 2020 though

Mostly in the Bo3 format. So far only Meds has managed to hurt his legacy a tiny bit.

 

[mike danny]

A pigeon is someone who never beats a guy in a Slam or a YEC knockout match. Someone like Roddick to Fed.

If only Roddick faced a 9 year older Fed.

 

[Carax]

If I add another players from the same gen as Tsi, Med & Zed; like Khachanov, shapovalov, Fritz, etc you'd be in an even bigger of a shock as @Lauren_Girl' mentioned earlier in the thread.
Then the record is probably around 60 to 70 wins vs 6 to 7 losses.

I have faith in the following generation, though. I think Sinner, Rune, Felix, and Alcaraz (if he stops getting injured so frequently) will end up with positive records against Djokovic.

 

[-snake-]

I have faith in the following generation, though. I think Sinner, Rune, Felix, and Alcaraz (if he stops getting injured so frequently) will end up with positive records against Djokovic.

That won't even matter. Djokodal are gonna be gone by the time these kids peak.

 

[Rafa4LifeEver]

I have faith in the following generation, though. I think Sinner, Rune, Felix, and Alcaraz (if he stops getting injured so frequently) will end up with positive records against Djokovic.

I'm not so sure about Sinner & Felix.

Both are not that strong mentally. Both have slightly longer windups so can't take time away from Novak.

Sinner often ends up serving a very low % of first serves followed by pushy-slow 2nd serves; he also drops the ball short out of nowhere in a neutral rally despite hitting the heck out of the ball; which then allows players like Djokovic to take control.

Felix has a great vulnerability in his backhand and return of serve, both of which can get exploited by Novak.

 

[Carax]

I'm not so sure about Sinner & Felix.

Both are not that strong mentally. Both have slightly longer windups so can't take time away from Novak.

Sinner often ends up serving a very low % of first serves followed by pushy-slow 2nd serves; he also drops the ball short out of nowhere in a neutral rally despite hitting the heck out of the ball; which then allows players like Djokovic to take control.

Felix has a great vulnerability in his backhand and return of serve, both of which can get exploited by Novak.

Yeah, but I don't think that they've reached their peak. There's room for improvement and they're only 21 and 22 years old.

 

[BeatlesFan]

All three would have won 7+ slams in any other era, no?

Zverev, Med and the Greek wouldn't have won even a Masters 1000 in the era of Mac, Lendl, Connors, Becker, Mats and Edberg (1983-1988). Then Andre and Pete come along in 1988-1990, so they'd be shut out then too. Today's era is a cringing joke compared to the 80's. You have ancient Rafa and old Djokovic and literally nobody else of any quality.

 

[duaneeo]

1 win can do wonders, IF he had managed to go past Nadal somehow by outlasting him in that in 5 sets, then he would be the french open champ. He could have used that confidence to take him the US open as well since there is no Novak. Suddenly you are now looking at a 2 slam year in 2022 and number 1 seed for 2023, could have used to pick more slams.

Nice fairytale, but NO WAY was Zverev outlasting Nadal in that match. And, the idea that things may be different if not for Zverev's injury is a joke.

This is from a poster who claimed in 2018 that Fedalovic would win at most 3 more slams. I thought the 2nd generation of NextGens (led by Zverev) would be dominating the slams.

 

[Razer]

Nice fairytale, but NO WAY was Zverev outlasting Nadal in that match. And, the idea that things may be different if not for Zverev's injury is a joke.

This is from a poster who claimed in 2018 that Fedalovic would win at most 3 more slams. I thought the 2nd generation of NextGens (led by Zverev) would be dominating the slams.

We have classified 5 years as a gen but a gen is always a 10 year span nowadays.

1990s is 1 Generation just like 1980s was another generation, the 1980s had 3 GOATs and so 90s are devoid of talent. Thats why Grigolo (91), Thiem (93), Kyrgios (95), Med (96), Zverev (97) and now Sissypas (98) have all been useless. You expecting Zverev to step up is based on a 5 year analogy but nowadays 10 years is the cutoff. A 31 year old these days is stronger and better built that a 21 year old, this is evolution. The days of teen slam winners and 21 yr old greats is over, Alcaraz wining was a side effect of Novak out of the draw, otherwise no way would Carlos have beat him. Nowadays Primes are lasting till 32 and serious decline is only setting in post 35. 5 was only valid in the old days when players were done by mid 20s or late 20s, now players are going well into the mid 30s so the overlap is much more.

 

[Rafa4LifeEver]

19 of the last 23 on the cards here.

 

[Rafa4LifeEver]

Note :- edited on 2nd June 2024 for updated information

Overall Record is now 21-5 from 18-4 on 9th January 2023
Slam record is 9-1