Since Australian Open 2015, male grandslams have not won none new winner

Men's GS tournaments are won by multichampions. Is it good or bad for tennis?

  • Yes, RF and other multichampions write history and nobody should interfere with it.

    Votes: 16 61.5%

  • No, today's tennis is standing water, it needs to be stirred up.

    Votes: 10 38.5%
  • Total voters
    26
Enceladus

Enceladus

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Let's recall the GS winners since AO 2015:
AO 2015 - Djokovic (8th GS title)
FO 2015 - Wawrinka (2nd GS title)
WCh 2015 - Djokovic (9th GS title)
USO 2015 - Djokovic (10th GS title)
AO 2016 - Djokovic (11th GS title)
FO 2016 - Djokovic (12th GS title)
WCh 2016 - Murray (3rd GS title)
USO 2016 - Wawrinka (3rd GS title)
AO 2017 - Federer (18th GS title)
FO 2017 - Nadal (15th GS title)
WCh 2017 - Federer (19th GS title)
USO 2017 - Nadal (16th GS title)
AO 2018 - Federer (20th GS title)

It has never happened in history that 13 GS tournaments have won tennis players who have at least one GS trophy at home. And if there is no sensation at FO (Rafa) and Wimbledon (Fed), he will continue on. Is it good or bad for tennis?
 
And because of this, most people will say that this proves professional men's tennis is in its weakest period ever. But what's funny is that if Fedalovic were to be weaker players and thereby "allowing" other players to win, the same period would appear to be a stronger period than ever despite the total quality of the field being lower.
 
? 5 different people won 13 tournaments. 5 really good players. whoaa

also Novak's 2015 is an all time season, are we really using that as evidence of weak era or something??
 
Jaitock1991 said:
And because of this, most people will say that this proves professional men's tennis is in its weakest period ever. But what's funny is that if Fedalovic were to be weaker players and thereby "allowing" other players to win, the same period would appear to be a stronger period than ever despite the total quality of the field being lower.
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Eh, I don't agree. People can just look their eyes and see the quality of tennis drastically going down these past couple years. Nobody is saying current field is weak BECAUSE old players are winning, people are saying old people are winning BECAUSE the field is weak. Which means the field is going to be weak regardless of if the old guys are winning or not.
 
Not surprising - only 10 different guys have won slams since Fed won his fist in 2003:

Fed
Rafa
Djoker
Muzz
Stan
Delpo
Cilic
Safin
Roddick
Gaudio

And there are only 7 slam winners active on the tour
 
The 90's kids have been extremely disappointing. I did some research and only one 90's born kid so far has reached a major final: Milos Raonic.

Compare that to 10 years ago this time around when 12 different players born in the 80's reached a slam final between 2000 and beginning of clay season 2008:

1. Marat Safin
2. Fernando Gonzalez
3. Juan Carlos Ferrero
4. Lleyton Hewitt
5. Roger Federer
6. Andy Roddick
7. David Nalbandian
8. Guillermo Coria
9. Jo-Wilfried Tsonga
10. Rafael Nadal
11. Marcos Baghdatis
12. Novak Djokovic

The difference is staggering. We might have come across the weakest pool of talent in tennis history as far as the 90's born kids are concerned. No wonder the oldies are not retiring.
 
vive le beau jeu ! said:
a new champion at RG would be perfect :)
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mike danny said:
The 90's kids have been extremely disappointing. I did some research and only one 90's born kid so far has reached a major final: Milos Raonic.

Compare that to 10 years ago this time around when 12 different players born in the 80's reached a slam final between 2000 and beginning of clay season 2008:

1. Marat Safin
2. Fernando Gonzalez
3. Juan Carlos Ferrero
4. Lleyton Hewitt
5. Roger Federer
6. Andy Roddick
7. David Nalbandian
8. Guillermo Coria
9. Jo-Wilfried Tsonga
10. Rafael Nadal
11. Marcos Baghdatis
12. Novak Djokovic

The difference is staggering. We might have come across the weakest pool of talent in tennis history as far as the 90's born kids are concerned. No wonder the oldies are not retiring.
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Nishikori was born 3 days early, hehe.
 
Jaitock1991 said:
And because of this, most people will say that this proves professional men's tennis is in its weakest period ever. But what's funny is that if Fedalovic were to be weaker players and thereby "allowing" other players to win, the same period would appear to be a stronger period than ever despite the total quality of the field being lower.
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But Fedalovic are weaker players right now compared to their heyday.
 
Jaitock1991 said:
And because of this, most people will say that this proves professional men's tennis is in its weakest period ever. But what's funny is that if Fedalovic were to be weaker players and thereby "allowing" other players to win, the same period would appear to be a stronger period than ever despite the total quality of the field being lower.
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Catch 22
 
Enceladus said:
Let's recall the GS winners since AO 2015:
AO 2015 - Djokovic (8th GS title)
FO 2015 - Wawrinka (2nd GS title)
WCh 2015 - Djokovic (9th GS title)
USO 2015 - Djokovic (10th GS title)
AO 2016 - Djokovic (11th GS title)
FO 2016 - Djokovic (12th GS title)
WCh 2016 - Murray (3rd GS title)
USO 2016 - Wawrinka (3rd GS title)
AO 2017 - Federer (18th GS title)
FO 2017 - Nadal (15th GS title)
WCh 2017 - Federer (19th GS title)
USO 2017 - Nadal (16th GS title)
AO 2018 - Federer (20th GS title)

It has never happened in history that 13 GS tournaments have won tennis players who have at least one GS trophy at home. And if there is no sensation at FO (Rafa) and Wimbledon (Fed), he will continue on. Is it good or bad for tennis?
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It's good for tennis that Federer and Nadal are still playing and winning because they are the two players who bring the most spectators to the sport. Heaven help us all when they both retire. But, it's not good that the youngsters are so feeble and are literally waiting for Federer and Nadal to drop from old age and refuse to do what's necessary or to be good enough to overthrow Fedal.

I've said it a hundred times but since 2014, the competition has been crap. No viable youngsters are making Federer, Nadal, and Djokovic(from 2014-2016) sweat and that's unprecedented. The youngsters that are around are also not extremely marketable except for Shapovalov(according to my eyes.)
 
mike danny said:
But Fedalovic are weaker players right now compared to their heyday.
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I know they are(to the degree that knowing this is actually possible) :-) But I mean if they were even weaker than they are, so weak that Dimitrov would have won AO17, Anderson USO17 and so on.
 
Another notable fact is that Murray is the last tennis player to win the Grand Slam tournament (Wimbledon 2016) as a younger player of 30 years. If none of the three grandslams this year will win players born in 1989 and younger, for the first time in history we will not have GS winners younger than 30 years old.
 
Have no fear guys, I’m sure the upcoming Roland Garros will change everything and it will not be won by someone like Nadal again :)

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Well the big 3 (and Murray/Stan to a lesser extent) simply haven't allowed anyone else to win slams. They've been so consistently dominant for the last 10-15 years that no one else has had realistic chances to win. Like I'm sure if you put Berdych or Tsonga in the 2020's with the 90's kids, I'm sure they don't go slamless.
 
Sum Buddy Ells said:
Let's not lose faith in the '98/'99ers

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I wouldn't read much in to the record of players aged 17-21. Even Nadal/Federer/Djokovic didn't have dominant seasons until they were 22 or 23. The players born 1997 and after still have the capacity to develop great careers.
 
The RG 2018 extended the series of GS tournaments with the multiple winners at 14. It will be interesting to see where this line will reach.
 
Enceladus said:
Let's recall the GS winners since AO 2015:
AO 2015 - Djokovic (8th GS title)
FO 2015 - Wawrinka (2nd GS title)
WCh 2015 - Djokovic (9th GS title)
USO 2015 - Djokovic (10th GS title)
AO 2016 - Djokovic (11th GS title)
FO 2016 - Djokovic (12th GS title)
WCh 2016 - Murray (3rd GS title)
USO 2016 - Wawrinka (3rd GS title)
AO 2017 - Federer (18th GS title)
FO 2017 - Nadal (15th GS title)
WCh 2017 - Federer (19th GS title)
USO 2017 - Nadal (16th GS title)
AO 2018 - Federer (20th GS title)

It has never happened in history that 13 GS tournaments have won tennis players who have at least one GS trophy at home. And if there is no sensation at FO (Rafa) and Wimbledon (Fed), he will continue on. Is it good or bad for tennis?
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Updates: Since the writing of my message that created this thread, these GS tournaments have come into the series:

FO 2018: Nadal (17th GS title)
WCh 2018: Djokovic (13th GS title)

After the Wimbledon 2018 final, 15 GS tournaments in a row have won tennis players with at least one previous GS title. 8 GS tournaments in a row won tennis players, who have already celebrated their 30th birthday. It will be interesting to watch when and where these two series will stop and the finite numbers they reach.
 
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Let's recall the GS winners since AO 2015:
AO 2015 - Djokovic (8th GS title)
FO 2015 - Wawrinka (2nd GS title)
WCh 2015 - Djokovic (9th GS title)
USO 2015 - Djokovic (10th GS title)
AO 2016 - Djokovic (11th GS title)
FO 2016 - Djokovic (12th GS title)
WCh 2016 - Murray (3rd GS title)
USO 2016 - Wawrinka (3rd GS title)
AO 2017 - Federer (18th GS title)
FO 2017 - Nadal (15th GS title)
WCh 2017 - Federer (19th GS title)
USO 2017 - Nadal (16th GS title)
AO 2018 - Federer (20th GS title)
FO 2018: Nadal (17th GS title)
WCh 2018: Djokovic (13th GS title)
USO 2018: Djokovic (14th GS title)

16 GS tournaments in a row were won by old-new winners. 4 complete seasons in a row with the old-new GS winners, in the past was max. 2 seasons in a row with old-new champions.
The last 9 GS tournaments they won tennis players in the age category 30+, this series being at AO 2019 can be rounded to 10.
 
All nine of them were actually 31+. There weren't even any winners aged 30.

And in 12 days' time, every men's singles Slam champion in history will be 30 or more.

Enceladus said:
Updates:
Let's recall the GS winners since AO 2015:
AO 2015 - Djokovic (8th GS title)
FO 2015 - Wawrinka (2nd GS title)
WCh 2015 - Djokovic (9th GS title)
USO 2015 - Djokovic (10th GS title)
AO 2016 - Djokovic (11th GS title)
FO 2016 - Djokovic (12th GS title)
WCh 2016 - Murray (3rd GS title)
USO 2016 - Wawrinka (3rd GS title)
AO 2017 - Federer (18th GS title)
FO 2017 - Nadal (15th GS title)
WCh 2017 - Federer (19th GS title)
USO 2017 - Nadal (16th GS title)
AO 2018 - Federer (20th GS title)
FO 2018: Nadal (17th GS title)
WCh 2018: Djokovic (13th GS title)
USO 2018: Djokovic (14th GS title)

16 GS tournaments in a row were won by old-new winners. 4 complete seasons in a row with the old-new GS winners, in the past was max. 2 seasons in a row with old-new champions.
The last 9 GS tournaments they won tennis players in the age category 30+, this series being at AO 2019 can be rounded to 10.
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From 1974 to 2005, every year but five saw at least one major won by someone who'd never won one before. In 1974, Connors went on to win three altogether and Borg won the French, making it the only year in which every major was won be players who had never won any in previous years. !977 (the year of five majors) and 2003 are the only years in which three players each won their first majors. As mentioned, there were only five years in that 32-year period that had no new winners. In the 13 most recent years, there have been nine such years.
 
nachiket nolefam said:
Tennis needs new RG, Wimbledon, AO champions in that order.

USO is good. It has many different winners in the past.
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AO - Djokovic
RG - Nadal
W - Federer
USO- One of the three above or Murray or Wawrinka

The Big 3 dominate every single slam with the exception of Murray or Wawrinka popping up and taking one. Cilic and Delpo are just one trick ponies, decent Top 5-10 hitters who managed to snag one slam in their careers. The rest of them, aka Dimitrov, Thiem, Raonic, Nishikori, should’ve been the next slam winners but instead turned out to be useless mugs who were just toys the big 3 used to play with at slam quarters and occasionally semifinals and finals.
 
Fabresque said:
AO - Djokovic
RG - Nadal
W - Federer
USO- One of the three above or Murray or Wawrinka

The Big 3 dominate every single slam with the exception of Murray or Wawrinka popping up and taking one. Cilic and Delpo are just one trick ponies, decent Top 5-10 hitters who managed to snag one slam in their careers. The rest of them, aka Dimitrov, Thiem, Raonic, Nishikori, should’ve been the next slam winners but instead turned out to be useless mugs who were just toys the big 3 used to play with at slam quarters and occasionally semifinals and finals.
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Murray is good in Wimbledon. 4 finals and 2 titles. Nadal has 5 finals and 2 titles, not much different.
 
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