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LOL, when you resort to the gifs, you know you've lost .
When you resort to "weak era vulturing" you know you've lost.
LOL, when you resort to the gifs, you know you've lost .
That is what I meant. It is a relative thing. I liked to watch Federer, Nadal (only when he was playing Federer otherwise he is boring too), and Karlovic for his serves.I wouldn't say he's boring to watch, but I have to admit he's not as exciting to watch as Carlitos, Federer, Nadal, etc.
When you resort to "weak era vulturing" you know you've lost.
The delusion continuesNo, only that he is the last man of that generation standing.
Wawrinka, for example, from the years 2013 to 2017, with the same Joker competition from 2020 onwards, instead of winning 3 Major titles he would win twice as many.
He would "inflate" his numbers, so to speak.
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A Djokovic fan saying that his idol is peaking at 36, that is being delusional.The delusion continues![]()
Salty sour grapesA Djokovic fan saying that his idol is peaking at 36, that is being delusional.
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The argument can be made that a weak era started in 2018. Is this the point HM is trying to make?
If Djokovic wins slam #25 he'll have more slams in his 30's than in his 20's.
Yup. It sure did. That doesn't change the fact that Djokovic is playing the most interesting tennis of his career.If there is a weak era, it started after 2016, so it will include 2017 also.
People need to brush up on history and see how often top seeds lost to non names and how weak draws tended to be before Big 4 brought in consistency.Since Wimbledon 2018 Djokovic beat at slams Nadal 3 times, Federer twice, Thiem once, Wawrinka once, Alcaraz once and Medvedev 3 times. You'd think he was playing Devvarman in slam finals reading some people. And this is excluding multiple wins over Tsitsipas who happened to beat both Federer and Nadal in that period and Zverev who is a guy who won the ATP Finals, Olympic Gold and many M1000.
Since Wimbledon 2018 Djokovic beat at slams Nadal 3 times, Federer twice, Thiem once, Wawrinka once, Alcaraz once and Medvedev 3 times. You'd think he was playing Devvarman in slam finals reading some people. And this is excluding multiple wins over Tsitsipas who happened to beat both Federer and Nadal in that period and Zverev who is a guy who won the ATP Finals, Olympic Gold and many M1000.
Not quite Devvarman in slam finals, but Anderson, Kyrgios, Berretini and Ruud in finals, Shapovalov, Karatsev, RBA, Paul, Shelton, Norrie and Pouille in semifinals is pretty close.Since Wimbledon 2018 Djokovic beat at slams Nadal 3 times, Federer twice, Thiem once, Wawrinka once, Alcaraz once and Medvedev 3 times. You'd think he was playing Devvarman in slam finals reading some people. And this is excluding multiple wins over Tsitsipas who happened to beat both Federer and Nadal in that period and Zverev who is a guy who won the ATP Finals, Olympic Gold and many M1000.
It says that Djokovic is an outlier and special.What does it say about the younger generations? Djokovic has won half his majors (12 out of 24) in his 30s. Go back 20 years ago and the perceived wisdom was that a player was near retirement from their late 20s to mid 30s. Djokovic in his mid 30s is getting close to winning a Grand Slam, multiple times.
If Nadal was fit, and there was no Djokovic or Federer in this field, he too would dominate. Same with Federer if he was fit in this field and there no Djokovic or Nadal. Nadal had to deal with the best Federer and the best Djokovic.It says that Djokovic is an outlier and special.
Would a fit old nadal beat this old Djokovic off clay? What’s your view on that?If Nadal was fit, and there was no Djokovic or Federer in this field, he too would dominate. Same with Federer if he was fit in this field and there no Djokovic or Nadal. Nadal had to deal with the best Federer and the best Djokovic.
If Nadal could move like he once could? I think Nadal would win the biggest matches. When Nadal had his best movement, he dictated matches to the extent of enforcing his will and wearing opponents down, rather than reacting a lot more to what his opponent was doing and looking for a quick aggressive finish of the point, like in more recent years.Would a fit old nadal beat this old Djokovic off clay? What’s your view on that?
Fair enough. I respect your viewpoint. It is true Nadal lost his insane speed around the court that harmed him a lot.If Nadal could move like he once could? I think Nadal would win the biggest matches. When Nadal had his best movement, he dictated matches to the extent of enforcing his will and wearing opponents down, rather than reacting a lot more to what his opponent was doing and looking for a quick aggressive finish of the point, like in more recent years.
Djokovic is fortunate enough now not to have Nadal and Federer in the field.
agreed!Weak era vulturing.
This added nothing to the conversation. It is another IF criteria.If Nadal was fit, and there was no Djokovic or Federer in this field, he too would dominate. Same with Federer if he was fit in this field and there no Djokovic or Nadal. Nadal had to deal with the best Federer and the best Djokovic.
If Nadal was fit, and there was no Djokovic or Federer in this field, he too would dominate. Same with Federer if he was fit in this field and there no Djokovic or Nadal. Nadal had to deal with the best Federer and the best Djokovic.
Post 2018 era is around 6% weaker than Fed's 2003-2008... That's basically within margin of error, so slim it's barely worth mentioning.i would say it is the weakest era (counting from fed first won his first GS).
since 2018, apart from med on hardcourt and carlos' breakthrough, who else seriously had chance of challenging djoker?
djoker is a great player but the opponents he played against are ridiculously useless
saffin, agassi, hewitt, roddick, murray, let alone nadal, r u serious that they are only 6% stronger than those playing since 2018?Post 2018 era is around 6% weaker than Fed's 2003-2008... That's basically within margin of error, so slim it's barely worth mentioning.
Yeah. There's a guy here on forum, he conducted serious and thorough analysis, made unbiased comparisons, produced surprising results. It's really around 6% difference.saffin, agassi, hewitt, roddick, murray, let alone nadal, r u serious that they are only 6% stronger than those playing since 2018?
What are you smoking. Your Safin is sleeping through most of his career. It's like saying Wawrinka post 2016 is great competition. Don't you dare use Safin and Hewitt and then Baby Murraysaffin, agassi, hewitt, roddick, murray, let alone nadal, r u serious that they are only 6% stronger than those playing since 2018?
6% on a tennis court is greater than the difference between Djokovic and a guy like Demon. It’s not insignificant.Post 2018 era is around 6% weaker than Fed's 2003-2008... That's basically within margin of error, so slim it's barely worth mentioning.
He is Serious. You are not serious.saffin, agassi, hewitt, roddick, murray, let alone nadal, r u serious that they are only 6% stronger than those playing since 2018?
What are you smoking. Your Safin is sleeping through most of his career. It's like saying Wawrinka post 2016 is great competition. Don't you dare use Safin and Hewitt and then Baby Murray
show me which players since 2018 on the same level of those i quoteWhat are you smoking. Your Safin is sleeping through most of his career. It's like saying Wawrinka post 2016 is great competition. Don't you dare use Safin and Hewitt and then Baby Murray
after reading names on the 2018 list, i can conclude that the "analysis" already lost creditabilityYeah. There's a guy here on forum, he conducted serious and thorough analysis, made unbiased comparisons, produced surprising results. It's really around 6% difference.
6.4, to be exact.
I just made made na error, it's not 2003-2008 period, but 2004-2009 - compared to 2018-2023.
Here's his analysis:
Thiem at rg better challenge than anyone not named Safin or Nadal before 2007. Medvedev better than Roddick. Nadal is present in both clay swings. Until 2023. Still Nole wins 1 RG in 2021 and Roger 0 till 2007.show me which players since 2018 on the same level of those i quote
warinka at 2016. oh silly crybaby
op is talking abt 2018
On a tennis court, in an actual match, yeah, I agree, 6% is a lot.6% on a tennis court is greater than the difference between Djokovic and a guy like Demon. It’s not insignificant.
Yeah, your eye-test glance is superior to objective unbiased analysis with transparant methodology.after reading names on the 2018 list, i can conclude that the "analysis" already lost creditability
except med who may be a good player, all others are joke playing against djoker