Since Wimbledon 2018 started, Djokovic has a 94% win percentage in grand slam play, with only 7 losses.

sureshs

Bionic Poster
I wouldn't say he's boring to watch, but I have to admit he's not as exciting to watch as Carlitos, Federer, Nadal, etc.
That is what I meant. It is a relative thing. I liked to watch Federer, Nadal (only when he was playing Federer otherwise he is boring too), and Karlovic for his serves.

That being said, Djokovic is certainly a solid player and no one can deny that, even if he is basically just a pusher.
 

Waves

Semi-Pro
Weird, that Novak is such a statistical outlier? Makes no sense mathematically, biologically, scientifically, historically…? He must just be the greatest human being ever, in everything??? Einstein, MLK, Bolt, Pele, et al…please step aside? No?

What will we do when he’s relegated to FPP section?
 

fedfan24

Hall of Fame
the guy is relentless you have to give him that. regardless of how crap his opponents have been since 2020, he still shows up and makes it deep in every slam he plays. he's like the T1000, keeps coming.
 

BauerAlmeida

Hall of Fame
Since Wimbledon 2018 Djokovic beat at slams Nadal 3 times, Federer twice, Thiem once, Wawrinka once, Alcaraz once and Medvedev 3 times. You'd think he was playing Devvarman in slam finals reading some people. And this is excluding multiple wins over Tsitsipas who happened to beat both Federer and Nadal in that period and Zverev who is a guy who won the ATP Finals, Olympic Gold and many M1000.
 

Milanez82

Hall of Fame
Since Wimbledon 2018 Djokovic beat at slams Nadal 3 times, Federer twice, Thiem once, Wawrinka once, Alcaraz once and Medvedev 3 times. You'd think he was playing Devvarman in slam finals reading some people. And this is excluding multiple wins over Tsitsipas who happened to beat both Federer and Nadal in that period and Zverev who is a guy who won the ATP Finals, Olympic Gold and many M1000.
People need to brush up on history and see how often top seeds lost to non names and how weak draws tended to be before Big 4 brought in consistency.
 

L4S10s

Professional
Since Wimbledon 2018 Djokovic beat at slams Nadal 3 times, Federer twice, Thiem once, Wawrinka once, Alcaraz once and Medvedev 3 times. You'd think he was playing Devvarman in slam finals reading some people. And this is excluding multiple wins over Tsitsipas who happened to beat both Federer and Nadal in that period and Zverev who is a guy who won the ATP Finals, Olympic Gold and many M1000.

poor somdev catching strays...what's he done to ya?
 

Sputnik Bulgorov

Professional
Since Wimbledon 2018 Djokovic beat at slams Nadal 3 times, Federer twice, Thiem once, Wawrinka once, Alcaraz once and Medvedev 3 times. You'd think he was playing Devvarman in slam finals reading some people. And this is excluding multiple wins over Tsitsipas who happened to beat both Federer and Nadal in that period and Zverev who is a guy who won the ATP Finals, Olympic Gold and many M1000.
Not quite Devvarman in slam finals, but Anderson, Kyrgios, Berretini and Ruud in finals, Shapovalov, Karatsev, RBA, Paul, Shelton, Norrie and Pouille in semifinals is pretty close.
 

Bubcay

Legend
What does it say about the younger generations? Djokovic has won half his majors (12 out of 24) in his 30s. Go back 20 years ago and the perceived wisdom was that a player was near retirement from their late 20s to mid 30s. Djokovic in his mid 30s is getting close to winning a Grand Slam, multiple times.
It says that Djokovic is an outlier and special.
 

Mustard

Bionic Poster
It says that Djokovic is an outlier and special.
If Nadal was fit, and there was no Djokovic or Federer in this field, he too would dominate. Same with Federer if he was fit in this field and there no Djokovic or Nadal. Nadal had to deal with the best Federer and the best Djokovic.
 
If Nadal was fit, and there was no Djokovic or Federer in this field, he too would dominate. Same with Federer if he was fit in this field and there no Djokovic or Nadal. Nadal had to deal with the best Federer and the best Djokovic.
Would a fit old nadal beat this old Djokovic off clay? What’s your view on that?
 

Mustard

Bionic Poster
Would a fit old nadal beat this old Djokovic off clay? What’s your view on that?
If Nadal could move like he once could? I think Nadal would win the biggest matches. When Nadal had his best movement, he dictated matches to the extent of enforcing his will and wearing opponents down, rather than reacting a lot more to what his opponent was doing and looking for a quick aggressive finish of the point, like in more recent years.

Djokovic is fortunate enough now not to have Nadal and Federer in the field.
 
If Nadal could move like he once could? I think Nadal would win the biggest matches. When Nadal had his best movement, he dictated matches to the extent of enforcing his will and wearing opponents down, rather than reacting a lot more to what his opponent was doing and looking for a quick aggressive finish of the point, like in more recent years.

Djokovic is fortunate enough now not to have Nadal and Federer in the field.
Fair enough. I respect your viewpoint. It is true Nadal lost his insane speed around the court that harmed him a lot.
 

nolefam_2024

Bionic Poster
If Nadal was fit, and there was no Djokovic or Federer in this field, he too would dominate. Same with Federer if he was fit in this field and there no Djokovic or Nadal. Nadal had to deal with the best Federer and the best Djokovic.
This added nothing to the conversation. It is another IF criteria.
If nadal was fit, if there is no djokovic ( or even Federer? Nadal really lost it in H2H at the end vs the old man) and if he has his footspeed are too many ifs.

Nadal has himself to blame for his injuries. Now lets appreciate insane Djokovic run of form.
 

Hitman

Bionic Poster
If Nadal was fit, and there was no Djokovic or Federer in this field, he too would dominate. Same with Federer if he was fit in this field and there no Djokovic or Nadal. Nadal had to deal with the best Federer and the best Djokovic.

Nadal is never fit, remember what his uncle said about him? An injured person who plays tennis.
 

itrium84

Hall of Fame
i would say it is the weakest era (counting from fed first won his first GS).
since 2018, apart from med on hardcourt and carlos' breakthrough, who else seriously had chance of challenging djoker?
djoker is a great player but the opponents he played against are ridiculously useless
Post 2018 era is around 6% weaker than Fed's 2003-2008... That's basically within margin of error, so slim it's barely worth mentioning.
 

darthrafa

Hall of Fame
Post 2018 era is around 6% weaker than Fed's 2003-2008... That's basically within margin of error, so slim it's barely worth mentioning.
saffin, agassi, hewitt, roddick, murray, let alone nadal, r u serious that they are only 6% stronger than those playing since 2018?
 

itrium84

Hall of Fame
saffin, agassi, hewitt, roddick, murray, let alone nadal, r u serious that they are only 6% stronger than those playing since 2018?
Yeah. There's a guy here on forum, he conducted serious and thorough analysis, made unbiased comparisons, produced surprising results. It's really around 6% difference.
6.4, to be exact.
I just made made na error, it's not 2003-2008 period, but 2004-2009 - compared to 2018-2023.
Here's his analysis:
 

nolefam_2024

Bionic Poster
saffin, agassi, hewitt, roddick, murray, let alone nadal, r u serious that they are only 6% stronger than those playing since 2018?
What are you smoking. Your Safin is sleeping through most of his career. It's like saying Wawrinka post 2016 is great competition. Don't you dare use Safin and Hewitt and then Baby Murray
 

darthrafa

Hall of Fame
What are you smoking. Your Safin is sleeping through most of his career. It's like saying Wawrinka post 2016 is great competition. Don't you dare use Safin and Hewitt and then Baby Murray
What are you smoking. Your Safin is sleeping through most of his career. It's like saying Wawrinka post 2016 is great competition. Don't you dare use Safin and Hewitt and then Baby Murray
show me which players since 2018 on the same level of those i quote
warinka at 2016. oh silly crybaby
op is talking abt 2018
 

darthrafa

Hall of Fame
Yeah. There's a guy here on forum, he conducted serious and thorough analysis, made unbiased comparisons, produced surprising results. It's really around 6% difference.
6.4, to be exact.
I just made made na error, it's not 2003-2008 period, but 2004-2009 - compared to 2018-2023.
Here's his analysis:
after reading names on the 2018 list, i can conclude that the "analysis" already lost creditability
except med who may be a good player, all others are joke playing against djoker
 

nolefam_2024

Bionic Poster
show me which players since 2018 on the same level of those i quote
warinka at 2016. oh silly crybaby
op is talking abt 2018
Thiem at rg better challenge than anyone not named Safin or Nadal before 2007. Medvedev better than Roddick. Nadal is present in both clay swings. Until 2023. Still Nole wins 1 RG in 2021 and Roger 0 till 2007.
Alcaraz at 20 at Wimby might be better than Nadal at 21 at Wimby.
 

itrium84

Hall of Fame
after reading names on the 2018 list, i can conclude that the "analysis" already lost creditability
except med who may be a good player, all others are joke playing against djoker
Yeah, your eye-test glance is superior to objective unbiased analysis with transparant methodology.
Nothing beats good old "I-test". ;)
 
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