Single handed backhand grips and their analogous forehand grips...

zill

Legend
I have found that:

The equivalent single handed backhand grip to the strong semi western forehand grip is the semi western backhand grip.

The equivalent single handed backhand grip to the semi western forehand grip is the strong eastern backhand grip.

The equivalent single handed backhand grip to the weak semi western/strong eastern forehand grip is the eastern backhand grip.

The equivalent single handed backhand grip to the eastern forehand grip is the weak eastern backhand grip.


Is this all a fair assessment?
 
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NuBas

Legend
Its alright to have more than one single backhanded grip, good players can adjust slightly and not really locked into one grip.
 

user92626

G.O.A.T.
Seems like the strong eastern backhand grip. But hardly any atp pros use it!! This leads me to doubt my analysis! Am I missing anything?
I'm not keeping track of all the pros to say if any ones are using a particular thing.

It's usually a good policy for rec players to not look too hard to identify with one or many pro's.

I used to use Nadal as my overall model but it turned out futile. Only thing I can draw from Nadal is his ferocity and intensity. I have moved on with what works best for my situation. :)
 

zill

Legend
I'm not keeping track of all the pros to say if any ones are using a particular thing.

It's usually a good policy for rec players to not look too hard to identify with one or many pro's.

I used to use Nadal as my overall model but it turned out futile. Only thing I can draw from Nadal is his ferocity and intensity. I have moved on with what works best for my situation. :)


Nadal is very unique indeed.
 

user92626

G.O.A.T.
@zill

Who's your favorite pro? It's not bad to look to him/her for inspiration and mimicking (which is a fun process). You learn best when you have fun and a goal.
 

NuBas

Legend
I don't remember what my grip is called but from continental hammer grip, I move to the left one bevel or so. I used to be fixated on one grip on the backhand but as I improved, I actually adjust it depending on the situations. Not often but sometimes so maybe you could say I use about 2 backhand grips.
 

NuBas

Legend
I think sometimes I use the continental grip for the backhand too, I'm not sure. Maybe this is why I'm not understanding your original post, I have no idea what these grips are and what you're talking about when you saying you're comparing backhand to forehand.
 

user92626

G.O.A.T.
I really like Wawrinka but I use a vastly different grip to his. Similar action.
Interesting. Well, you'll have to reconcile the difference. In the process you'll probably understand more and realize what is fundamental and what is unnecessary.

Nadal is my fav. I can't do what he does but I understand the difference. There's a lot of thinking and revision going into my tennis. It amazes me to realize that these pros got all of that (very advanced knowledge/skill) very early in their career, probably in their teenage. Many of us rec players will live out our lives without grasping many of these advanced knowledges/skills.
 

Hmgraphite1

Hall of Fame
I have found that:

The equivalent single handed backhand grip to the strong semi western forehand grip is the semi western backhand grip.

The equivalent single handed backhand grip to the semi western forehand grip is the strong eastern backhand grip.

The equivalent single handed backhand grip to the weak semi western/strong eastern forehand grip is the eastern backhand grip.

The equivalent single handed backhand grip to the eastern forehand grip is the weak eastern backhand grip.


Is this all a fair assessment?
I think I see what your saying from a swing path trajectory standpoint. And it sounds reasonable. Not sure it is usable but maybe with a lot of practice. I'm finding using multiple grips on forehand depending on opponent is useable. Hit with a 6'5" 28 yr old with heavy topspin. Switched from the eastern I used all summer back to sw and had a lot of success. Was pounding short high sitters in a clinic with western the other day and that worked well. Comfortably switching within a point might be the goal if I don't want to move front to back more to get in optimum position. Bh development might follow suit. Making things complicated can make it fun if there's some success.
 

Pete Player

Hall of Fame
For myself hammer grip works nice on volleys, eastern bh for basic shots in easy rallying about navel high, and the low shots, but for hard top-spin I tend to switch to stronger and use more wrist to close the face and covering the ball at higher swing speeds.

Too strong is too strong, but I don’t really think of the grip, while playing, but addjust to what is happening and what I’m gonna hit.

Kuga is one of my fav onehanders and Stanimal. Fede not that much, cause his mechanicks does not apeal to me with the arm being off the chest so early and release from a more closed shoulder orientation than the other mentioned.

This is quite informative...


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ARKustom93

Professional
I have found that:

The equivalent single handed backhand grip to the strong semi western forehand grip is the semi western backhand grip.

The equivalent single handed backhand grip to the semi western forehand grip is the strong eastern backhand grip.

The equivalent single handed backhand grip to the weak semi western/strong eastern forehand grip is the eastern backhand grip.

The equivalent single handed backhand grip to the eastern forehand grip is the weak eastern backhand grip.


Is this all a fair assessment?

Don't really get your point, unless you're asserting that, if you are hitting with a SW FH grip for example, you should be using a strong eastern BH grip.
Since FH and BH stroke mechanics are different and even vary from player to player(talking/comparing pros strokes) it wouldn't make sense to use that approach in your grip selection.
 

FiReFTW

Legend
I keep it simple as far as grips are concerned.

Eastern Backhand grip.
Strong Eastern Forehand grip.
Continental for everything else (Serve, Volley, Overhead etc)
 

Pete Player

Hall of Fame
To me generally speaking really strong grips either side makes swinging the racket very unnatural and cranked or impossible to get consistent.


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heninfan99

Talk Tennis Guru
I have found that:
The equivalent single handed backhand grip to the weak semi western/strong eastern forehand grip is the eastern backhand grip.

Is this all a fair assessment?

Index finger knuckle placement is different for Eastern Backhand and weak Semi Western forehand
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movdqa

Talk Tennis Guru
I have found that:

The equivalent single handed backhand grip to the strong semi western forehand grip is the semi western backhand grip.

The equivalent single handed backhand grip to the semi western forehand grip is the strong eastern backhand grip.

The equivalent single handed backhand grip to the weak semi western/strong eastern forehand grip is the eastern backhand grip.

The equivalent single handed backhand grip to the eastern forehand grip is the weak eastern backhand grip.


Is this all a fair assessment?

Missed the Continental.
 

mclee025

Rookie
I have found that:
The equivalent single handed backhand grip to the semi western forehand grip is the strong eastern backhand grip.

I don't have much experience with your other ones, but I would agree with the line above.

When I was experimenting with a semi western forehand grip last year (coming from an eastern forehand grip) I found I didn't have to change grips between my forehand and backhand strokes. That is, the semi western forehand grip was just the same grip/hand position as the one I used for my eastern backhand grip. You use the same grip but just flip the wrist between the strokes hitting the ball with the same racquet face. Funny thing was that since I served with a eastern backhand grip and essentially volleyed with the same grip, I could play the whole court without having to change grips.
 

movdqa

Talk Tennis Guru
Conti to me is the same as hammer. Yet fingers might be a touch more diagonal on continental.

I think Lendl used the hammer grip on his stiffish backhand.


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I originally started with the hammer which I used for forehands and backhands. Then I switched to the spread.

They don't play the same.
 

heninfan99

Talk Tennis Guru
Eg the extremity of the strong semi western grip and the semi western backhand grip corresponds in terms of (the extremity of) striking the ball

You're taking a very simple thing and making it overly complex. What is your goal in all these grip threads?
 

xFullCourtTenniSx

Hall of Fame
Honestly, grip definitions differ from player to player. When I started, all I knew of were continental (and it's many variants), mild eastern (knuckle on the edge of eastern and continental), eastern (top bevel), and western (1 bevel beyond top bevel).

Now, I hear mild eastern was eastern all along, eastern was full eastern or even western, and hardly anyone knows western because few people have ever gone that far deep (Shroud, Kuerten, and Henin are the only ones I know that use it).

But back on topic,

"Strong" Continental backhand (holding continental like a hammer almost, hard to describe; palm should be mostly on top bevel rather than the same slant the knuckle is on) -> Eastern forehand (index knuckle on side bevel) : Generates primarily flat shots, but has good access to spin when wanted or needed.

Mild Eastern backhand (index knuckle on slant past continental) -> "Strong" Eastern forehand (index knuckle on edge below side bevel) : Slightly better access to spin while retaining ability to hit flat, the most flexible grip. Notable users were Edberg, Lendl, and Dimitrov.

Full Eastern backhand (index knuckle on top bevel) -> Semi-Western forehand (index knuckle on bottom slant bevel) : Exceedingly strong baseline grips, excels in exchanging heavy topspin groundstrokes while still capable of hitting flat with good mechanics, but suffers slightly on wide balls due to most users of these grips having contact points farther in front (but people either run fast enough to make this irrelevant or know how to hit a good sliced or flat lob with a continental grip). Notable users are Federer and Wawrinka.

"Strong" Eastern backhand (index knuckle on slant past top bevel?) -> "Strong" Semi-Western forehand (index knuckle on far edge of Semi-Western) : Access to loads of topspin, slightly harder to flatten the ball out, and issues with low and wide balls become even more noticeable. The only one I can immediately think of that uses this grip is Gasquet. I initially believed Wawrinka hit with this grip as well due to the way he hits the ball and how heavy he can hit it, but he uses a mild eastern.

Western backhand (Semi-Western forehand flipped over) -> Western forehand (index knuckle on bottom bevel) : Access to loads of topspin and prefers almost exclusively deal with heavy topspin due to very noticeable issues with low balls (and wide balls) and ease with dealing with high balls (also, good luck ever generating a flat ball). Shroud, Kuerten, and Henin are the most well-known users.

Most people fall into continental and mild eastern. That's where probably more than 90% of OHBH users fall. The remaining 9.99% use full eastern or strong eastern. The masochists and clay lovers make up the remaining western grip.
 

Chas Tennis

G.O.A.T.
Grip, Wrist Joint and Stroke

The Eastern Backhand Grip has the index knuckle on the top bevel #1. The Western Forehand Grip has the index knuckle on bevel 5 (?). The hand is on top for the Eastern Backhand Grip and mostly on the bottom for the Western/Semi-Western Forehand Grips.

Besides where the index knuckle is on the racket handle, some of the grips have options as to where the butt of the racket handle rests on the palm, particularly little finger area or the fat pad. Most/nearly all ATP players use the little finger area. This changes the forearm-to-racket angle roughly 10 degrees vs the fat pad position and probably also has other effects.

Grip Plus Wrist Joint. The grip determines how the racket shaft and face is orientated to the palm. The wrist joint is nearby and can also affect the forearm-to-racket angle and racket face angles. Both affect how the forearm-to-racket angle appears in videos from any particular camera angle.

In the one hand backhand or forehand strokes, the arm travels in completely opposite directions on the body using different muscles.

The Easter Backhand Grip most often strikes the ball with the wrist extended for high level pro players. One biomechanists, D. Knudson, states that the wrist joint is stronger in the extended position vs the flexed position for the forces on the one hand backhand. In his tennis book he gives a demo.

The Western and Semi-Western grips have their own wrist angles for impacting the ball.

The best grip and wrist joint angles for any stroke depend on the backhand or forehand techniques being used.
 
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philosoup

Rookie
Isn't it true the relation of spin potentials to 1hbh grips is not as strong as to the forehand grips? The way you generate spin from backhand is different. I believe this has something to do with why most people use a grip between continental to eastern.

Most people fall into continental and mild eastern. That's where probably more than 90% of OHBH users fall. The remaining 9.99% use full eastern or strong eastern. The masochists and clay lovers make up the remaining western grip.
 
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