Genie Of the Bank
Hall of Fame
If Novak wins his 25 major at Wimbledon this year I expect total meltdown on ESPN, BBC, Chanel 9, Marca with the claim that the last 20 years are the weakest era in tennis history.
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Sinner accepts settlement with WADA for 3 month ban
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DSH
Talk Tennis Guru
Halep's name on the WTA was not remotely what Sinner represents for the ATP.
Understand that it is a BUSINESS and the show must go on.
Mustard
Bionic Poster
The latter choice damages his reputation, and tennis' reputation for that matter, more than the former choice does.
Let’s be honest: WADA played their cards perfectly here. Both parties (WADA and Sinner) stood to lose a lot more if they got an unfavorable ruling by CAS. I doubt Sinner would have been banned for more than 3 months by CAS, but the timing of it, starting potentially in late April, would have been a lot worse. On the other hand, they stood to take a big hit to their authority if CAS decided not to implement any kind of suspension at all. Even a small one of like a month or less (do they do smaller increments than a month?) would have made the long appeal process look a little silly. So both parties won out here, in a way.
It does give a certain appearance of a top player being able to pick and choose his own doping suspension. But I think that was the best case scenario from WADA’s perspective if they thought they were likely to get less than 3 months from the CAS trial. To the wider public, 3 months for the world no. 1 looks reasonably stern, I would wager. It’s only those closer to the sport of tennis that see it as unsatisfactory.
I’ll also say I doubt WADA would have even appealed the initial ITIA ruling if Sinner wasn’t so highly ranked and famous. There’s precedent of other, lower-ranked Italian players receiving no ban for a traceable clostebol contamination, if I’m remembering correctly. By that standard, Sinner received unfavorable treatment because of his standing in the sport. But I’m glad he got something because I do think we need to keep the expectation that players are responsible for their teams. I didn’t expect it to be quite 3 months. Will be weird watching the sport unfold for the next little bit. Especially with so many big hard court tournaments coming. Not good for the sport all around – not good to have the top player missing, not good to have doping suspicions fueled, etc. A sad time. I’m sure Sinner will pick up right where he left off, though. See you this summer, Jannik.
It does give a certain appearance of a top player being able to pick and choose his own doping suspension. But I think that was the best case scenario from WADA’s perspective if they thought they were likely to get less than 3 months from the CAS trial. To the wider public, 3 months for the world no. 1 looks reasonably stern, I would wager. It’s only those closer to the sport of tennis that see it as unsatisfactory.
I’ll also say I doubt WADA would have even appealed the initial ITIA ruling if Sinner wasn’t so highly ranked and famous. There’s precedent of other, lower-ranked Italian players receiving no ban for a traceable clostebol contamination, if I’m remembering correctly. By that standard, Sinner received unfavorable treatment because of his standing in the sport. But I’m glad he got something because I do think we need to keep the expectation that players are responsible for their teams. I didn’t expect it to be quite 3 months. Will be weird watching the sport unfold for the next little bit. Especially with so many big hard court tournaments coming. Not good for the sport all around – not good to have the top player missing, not good to have doping suspicions fueled, etc. A sad time. I’m sure Sinner will pick up right where he left off, though. See you this summer, Jannik.
BlackSilver
Semi-Pro
Rip Tennis.
It is strange to me how much this whole thing has been basically ignored. Like, look at the ATP site. Sinner getting a ban isn’t even on the front page lol. (Not on my mobile browser, at least.) “Michelsen avenges Norrie loss” is a more urgent story in the sport of tennis, apparently.
Edit: Never mind, it is there, but still buried quite low. Just gotta scroll two or three screen lengths before finding the most important story currently unfolding in tennis.
Oh thats a pretty standard propaganda tactic by both business and governments.
joekapa
Legend
Stan speaks out.
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Oh I know. I work in advertising lol. A propagandist by profession, I suppose. I guess the ATP doesn’t want to appear anti-Sinner by emphasizing the story too much, but burying it so deep just looks… silly. Like, everyone with an interest in tennis is familiar with this news story by now. The ATP can’t make it go away. They look like a little kid with their hands over their ears saying “I can’t hear you! I can’t hear you!” and not an institution trying to navigate a complex piece of public relations in a fair and neutral way.
It’s not uncommon but it still looks stupid lol.
duaneeo
Legend
Well, they should become higher ranked.
And you'll continue watching this sport with no reputation.
Or, it never was. Players use PEDs not yet on the banned list, and move to others when those PEDs are banned.
messiahrobins
Legend
So...i was right all along. I said at the Olympics last year he would get a three month ban and it would be just after the AO and he would be back for FO. Someone who is good at stuff like this may even be able to dig out my posts.Will get a nice rest before Rome and RG. This, ladies and gentlemen, has been a masterclass in doping by Jannik Sinner.
Jannik Sinner: Italian banned for three months for doping
World number one Jannik Sinner accepts a three-month ban from tennis after reaching a settlement with the World Anti-Doping Agency over his two positive drugs tests last year.www.bbc.com
It's actually an interesting subject. I was reading this article recently about the NBA. Its been having ratings issues the last couple of years.
And the interesting thing was that some people have said the own NBA media spends so much time bashing the NBA that they are damaging the very product, they get paid to promote! So the NBA media might get better ratings bashing the NBA but eventually it comes back to harm them because this is the product they represent.
There is a fine line here I dont know where that is. But yea defiantly the ATP dont want to put this stuff at the top of their web page even if in reality it should be. Not everyday the #1 player in the world gets suspended.
No it doesn't. Most people can accept the fact that he was cleared 100% to begin with, that WADA accepts it was a case of contamination and that he accepts some level of responsibility for his negligence, and move on.
onyxrose81
Hall of Fame
I agree they’re big titles but since people tend to not rate them (mostly in the case of Novak’s accomplishments), then it doesn’t matter like the slams.
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Why is he banned for 3 months if he did nothing wrong? He shouldn't agree if that was the case.
He’s banned because he accepted the ban. Obviously he agreed because it was better than the alternative, based on his risk / benefit analysis.
When you got cought twice you aren't innocent i guess
Rafa4LifeEver
G.O.A.T.
Corruption allowed him to stay on tour basically unharmed, major blow to the integrity of this sport.
dking68
G.O.A.T.
Changed my mind. I think he’s got a bigger chance to win RG. But I still sticking to my pick he’s more likely to win W than RG.
Rafa4LifeEver
G.O.A.T.
Don't care much dude. All his achievements are tainted.
Subway Tennis
G.O.A.T.
I have a feeling we are headed for a Djokovic vs Sinner Winbledon final with Sinner winning in a fifth set.
RG final will be the first Sinner / Alcaraz meeting in a major final.
dking68
G.O.A.T.
I don’t see Djokovic pushing Sinner to 5 at age 38.
He could, only need to dope
Subway Tennis
G.O.A.T.
Fair. I think Djokovic can still push the big guys to five sets of he uses the same gunslinging approach he did against Alcaraz. A lot of short aggressive points, and carefully choosing moments for long, grinding attritional rallies.
dking68
G.O.A.T.
He’s too old man. He’s done winning majors.
Biotic
Hall of Fame
The Guru
Legend
Djokovic for not taking COVID vaccine:
- 2 missed slams
- stripped of #1 ranking
- portrayed as a villain
Sinner for two positive steroid tests: -
- Will lose zero points.
- Will miss 0 grand slams.
- Will not be stripped of ATP No. 1 ranking
- Will not be stripped of titles won with clostebol in his system
- Portrayed as a victim
- 2 missed slams
- stripped of #1 ranking
- portrayed as a villain
Sinner for two positive steroid tests: -
- Will lose zero points.
- Will miss 0 grand slams.
- Will not be stripped of ATP No. 1 ranking
- Will not be stripped of titles won with clostebol in his system
- Portrayed as a victim
Subway Tennis
G.O.A.T.
My feeling for a while was that he still excels in Bo3 but that a major is a bridge too far. I re-classified things slightly because of that extraordinary run he just had at AO with Murray. But I understand your viewpoint totally about Novak no longer being capable of winning a major, as that was my feeling prior to assessing his AO.
Im(moral) Winner
G.O.A.T.
Should have taken the vaccine then
False. Sinner forfeited 400 ranking points from 2024 Indian Wells.
It's also comically disingenuous to pretend that not being able to earn any ranking points for three months doesn't make any difference.
This statement is too silly even to qualify as "false."
TheSlicer
Hall of Fame
Oh man, really, we all talking crap here is normal, but pros and ex pros and people with a name in social media giving opinions without knowing all the facts just makes them look like short sighted, or just plain dumb, look, It was fun for a while but i really Hope we can put this subject to bed already, 3 month ban (basically nothing) and we move on, the fuzzy yellow ball continues to be hit and we can all be a little entertained, its clear now rules are not the same for everybody, so what! BIG surprise, Next time better catch players with more quantity in the body so theres no doubt about It, or else let them fuken play, thats right, until doping agencies do better i rather keep everything going than making this crap they have made, if you cant catch them properly you cant catch them, 3 month ban... It means nothing, if you gonna do that you better dont do anything
GoatNo1
Hall of Fame
LOL... in ANY situation in tennis, Djokovic fans make Djokovic the victim... classic...
TheSlicer
Hall of Fame
It was clear since they didnt sanction him in the precise moment he tested positive, oh yeah, they did, for four days between tournaments or something like that right? Lol its just silly
Mustard
Bionic Poster
They said that about Puerta testing positive for etilefrine (a cardiac stimulant) in 2005. Puerta later admitted lying that he got it from drinking from his wife's drinking glass, in order to get an 8-year ban reduced to 2 years.
Of course he'll accept the ban right away. He knows 3 months (timed perfectly to not miss a single slam) is a joke based on what he did.
THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
Not even therapeutic? According to the pitchfork squealers such as Darcy, Sinner is some PED trafficking / using masterminds who is "destroying" a sport which has always played host to abuses (including physical) for decades. As noted earlier, if anyone is truly outraged about PED use, start with the most glaring case in tennis history: Martina Navratilova. Failing to do that reveals the typically weak agenda of certain Talk Tennis Warehouse members.
No, it is not good business for the ATP.
Sinner's name is much bigger than Halep was for the WTA.
Halep has no great audience / marketing appeal, so her being kicked out of the sport was not an issue. The PTB simply removed a patently corrupt woman from continuing said corruption.
Subway Tennis
G.O.A.T.
It will be business as usual for Jannik imo.
Remember the fever pitch this story was at in September last year, and Sinner was unbothered. He walked through one of his most dominant major runs in New York.
A far bigger issue is going to be the coaching change at the end of this year and navigating that situation with the right new coach.
Federer and Del Potro
Bionic Poster
Messi?
anarosevoli
Semi-Pro
What an idiot. Everybody with a brain would accept these 3 months in Sinner's position, guilty or not.
dking68
G.O.A.T.
He should hire either Boris or Goran. Goran would love to work with Sinner IMO. Boris and Jannik both communicate in German and that would help.
Try to understand sarcasm.
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