Sinner accepts settlement with WADA for 3 month ban

Bartelby said:
I widened the conversation, that's all, and the only relevant issue left is: 'Was WADA justified in settling the case on terms generous to Sinner"?

The substantive details of Sinner's doping case are no longer relevant as both Sinner and WADA acknowledge he unintentionally doped and warranted a suspension.
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You didn't generally widen the conversation. You specifically mentioned Sinner getting a TUE.
 
I think people are forgetting that Sinner was ruled AT NO FAULT OR NEGLIGENCE, yet following the current rules he lost the points and prize from Indian Wells and now, without any further ruling, he's voluntarily taking this hit to end this witch hunt, accepting of his own accord further sanction. He is not "choosing his sanction", his sanction so far had been decided to be 0. He's choosing to end this at his loss because he's had enough. And he gets this reaction? Absolutely mental
 
Given that he agreed to a suspension, then he has agreed he is AT SOME FAULT OR NEGLIGENCE.

The reality is that he would have probably got a year's suspension and missed four slams.

He got a sweetheart deal for what can only be commercial reasons.

Drighiz said:
I think people are forgetting that Sinner was ruled AT NO FAULT OR NEGLIGENCE, yet following the current rules he lost the points and prize from Indian Wells and now, without any further ruling, he's voluntarily taking this hit to end this witch hunt, accepting of his own accord further sanction. He is not "choosing his sanction", his sanction so far had been decided to be 0. He's choosing to end this at his loss because he's had enough. And he gets this reaction? Absolutely mental
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Drighiz said:
I think people are forgetting that Sinner was ruled AT NO FAULT OR NEGLIGENCE, yet following the current rules he lost the points and prize from Indian Wells and now, without any further ruling, he's voluntarily taking this hit to end this witch hunt, accepting of his own accord further sanction. He is not "choosing his sanction", his sanction so far had been decided to be 0. He's choosing to end this at his loss because he's had enough. And he gets this reaction? Absolutely mental
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This.

Also, it's a settlement deal offered by the WADA, who saw their case shot down by their own director acknowledging that there will be more and more nothingburger issues with extremely sensitive tests. Really the WADA shouldn't have appealed in the first place, but this I suppose is an acceptable way out for them. And with CAS being very unpredictable in this case, I'm not surprised Sinner took the offer. He's been cleared of cheating and PED abuse, he acknowledges his responsibility for his team's errors, takes the loss and moves on. He lost ranking points, prize money, the oppertuntity to compete and defend more ranking points and income, not to mention the stress and impact of this episode for nearly a year.

All the sad souls still calling him 'doper' without so much as a grain of evidence to support these harsh accusations based on innuendo, conspiracy theories, psuedo science and misinformation etc are just that, sad sad people.
 
jeroenn said:
This.

Also, it's a settlement deal offered by the WADA, who saw their case shot down by their own director acknowledging that there will be more and more nothingburger issues with extremely sensitive tests. Really the WADA shouldn't have appealed in the first place, but this I suppose is an acceptable way out for them. And with CAS being very unpredictable in this case, I'm not surprised Sinner took the offer. He's been cleared of cheating and PED abuse, he acknowledges his responsibility for his team's errors, takes the loss and moves on. He lost ranking points, prize money, the oppertuntity to compete and defend more ranking points and income, not to mention the stress and impact of this episode for nearly a year.

All the sad souls still calling him 'doper' without so much as a grain of evidence to support these harsh accusations based on innuendo, conspiracy theories, psuedo science and misinformation etc are just that, sad sad people.
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Exactly. WADA and their idiotic appeal are the reason people now think this is not satisfactory, while it is even way more punishment than what the tribunal decided. As far as I'm concerned, the guy has a clear conscience, could not have done more than this to clear his name. Haters gonna hate. And I believe I would feel the same had it been any other player instead of him.
 
Bartelby said:
Given that he agreed to a suspension, then he has agreed he is AT SOME FAULT OR NEGLIGENCE.

The reality is that he would have probably got a year's suspension and missed four slams.

He got a sweetheart deal for what can only be commercial reasons.
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Why should he get a longer ban, except for existing precedent? Even WADA believes he is clean, so everything is just about to which degree he is responsible for his physios mistake.
 
In my opinion, Sinner is a doper. But the legal decision was that this was unintentional contamination so I can live with that.

What I can't understand is how he wasn't given the usual one year suspension, but a sweetheart deal arrived at in secret.

Jonas78 said:
Why should he get a longer ban, except for existing precedent? Even WADA believes he is clean, so everything is just about to which degree he is responsible for his physios mistake.
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Bartelby said:
In my opinion, Sinner is a doper. But the legal decision was that this was unintentional contamination so I can live with that.

What I can't understand is how he wasn't given the usual one year suspension, but a sweetheart deal arrived at in secret.
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So you know more than WADA? How on earth do you know if he used PEDs to enhance performance or if Sinners explanation is true?

Well 10.8.2 doesnt say anything about one year.
 
Bartelby said:
You're a fan, I get it.
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No not really. I was a Federer-fan.

This case shows similarities with the Johaug case. She was also believed to be clean (which im 99% certain that she was). Even her foreign competitors was certain she was clean. She got 18 months.

I just dont get how you can be certain that he used PEDs to enhance performance.

Are you saying a test cant be positive without the athlete being a cynical doper?
 
if WADA announced beforehand that a settlement was being considered, the scandal would have stopped them in their tracks.
 
jeroenn said:
This.

Also, it's a settlement deal offered by the WADA, who saw their case shot down by their own director acknowledging that there will be more and more nothingburger issues with extremely sensitive tests. Really the WADA shouldn't have appealed in the first place, but this I suppose is an acceptable way out for them. And with CAS being very unpredictable in this case, I'm not surprised Sinner took the offer. He's been cleared of cheating and PED abuse, he acknowledges his responsibility for his team's errors, takes the loss and moves on. He lost ranking points, prize money, the oppertuntity to compete and defend more ranking points and income, not to mention the stress and impact of this episode for nearly a year.

All the sad souls still calling him 'doper' without so much as a grain of evidence to support these harsh accusations based on innuendo, conspiracy theories, psuedo science and misinformation etc are just that, sad sad people.
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I don't disagree with you, Sinner case Is now closed, he didn't dope, his team made mistakes the punishments occured.

I just disagree with you calling "sad people" to the ones that disagree with you. It is also disturbing that you defend Sinner with all your means and heart. Like man, unfollow this thread, keep moving with your life and enjoy Sinner return in three months. That's it
 
VanDerVaart23 said:
I just disagree with you calling "sad people" to the ones that disagree with you. It is also disturbing that you defend Sinner with all your means and heart. Like man, unfollow this thread, keep moving with your life and enjoy Sinner return in three months. That's it
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Tough luck.

If people feel they can accuse somene of being a cheater, doper or even criminal as has been done here, while having no evidence whatsover, while having mutiple entities that actually know all the details, are experts on the subject and are indepenent say otherwise, then to me you're a sad soul.

We live in a world where misinformation, lies, burying and ignoring of facts and accusations based on nothing more than innuendo is the standard and it's not making the world a better place. So as long as I can type, I will voice against that.
 
Medvedev is 100% right.

Sinner accepted and was offered a BAN KNOWING this is the weakest part of his calendar. He has not won IW or MC or Madrid Rome. 4 big titles. And he has never won it.

Of course he would take a deal on such a favorable deal.

WADA should allow Medvedev to ban and he can take a deal for entire clay season IW and all slow courts as well.

And same with every single player who doesn't want to play on their worst surfaces. Just dope and win big and then accept ban on the least preferred surfaces.

Disgusting favoritism.
 
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If three months has started after the trail in April, which is RIDICULOUS to begin with, how they pushed the trials from last March to this April,

Then he would have missed Rome RG Halle Wimbledon and maybe even Canada.
 
And many were saying he was getting at least 3 months ban after Iga got 1 month ban anyway.

So WADA is always in the position to offer a ban and they chose the path of least resistance.

This is not a player helping body but one for moderating the doping in sports. It has to be tough. Not favoring players. The corruption issue is not addressed here.
 
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Even Iga received huge favoritism when her 1 month included 2 weeks of no tournaments if I am right.

The entire system is a joke. The two number 1 ranked players got busted and instead of fixing the issue they swept it under the rug setting up new precedent.
 
What would be better is have a court trial.

Let both sides present argument and also talk about the discussions like accidental doping, micro doping.

WADA should not have offered a deal and even if they lost the case , at least a process would have been followed. But now offering deal is so suspicious. And the suspicion falls straight on jannik sinner because if WADA didn't offer a deal he would have contested his case.
 
nolefam_2024 said:
What would be better is have a court trial.

Let both sides present argument and also talk about the discussions like accidental doping, micro doping.

WADA should not have offered a deal and even if they lost the case , at least a process would have been followed. But now offering deal is so suspicious. And the suspicion falls straight on jannik sinner because if WADA didn't offer a deal he would have contested his case.
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Ok but let's not forget that there has been a trial already, where both sides presented all their arguments, and Sinner won that handily. I think the main issue at the end of the day is that WADA should not have appealed in the first place unless they were prepared to die on that hill. All this huge mess is ultimately their doing.
 
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Drighiz said:
Ok but let's not forget that there has been a trial already. I think the main issue at the end of the day is that WADA should not have appealed in the first place unless they were prepared to die on that hill. All this huge mess is ultimately their doing.
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You are in my eyes a biased totally blind fan.

The trial was wrong which is why WADA appealed for EVERYONE ELSE here. You can not give no fault judgment to someone who was tested positive. That's why WADA appealed. Why it is giving sinner the best time off is only speculative but it doesn't take a huge Einstein to figure it out.
 
nolefam_2024 said:
You are in my eyes a biased totally blind fan.

The trial was wrong which is why WADA appealed for EVERYONE ELSE here. You can not give no fault judgment to someone who was tested positive. That's why WADA appealed. Why it is giving sinner the best time off is only speculative but it doesn't take a huge Einstein to figure it out.
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I'm just going with the facts man, I'm not actively trying to be biased. Check out the videos I posted on that other thread, they make similar points...
 
Jonas78 said:
816 replies and counting...

Never thought id miss the old Big3 arguments, but they were way better than this!

Haters: Leave the forum or go on, we have heard your whining! He got three months, get over it, enjoy tennis :)
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I got a better suggestion: why don't you and the other 4 guys defending Sinner start a private conversation where you can circle each other and stop spamming this thread.
 
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nolefam_2024 said:
Disgusting favoritism.
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When did you flip to the wacko perspective on this case? Last year, your comments were along the lines of, "WADA should not appeal. This case is over, thank the Lord." The about-face (indicated especially by resort to the use of the forum-plaguing term "disgusting" with respect to the case) has been bizarre.
 
JMR said:
When did you flip to the wacko perspective on this case? Last year, your comments were along the lines of, "WADA should not appeal. This case is over, thank the Lord." The about-face (indicated especially by resort to the use of the forum-plaguing term "disgusting" with respect to the case) has been bizarre.
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My flip is gradual. After sinner there is Iga case and WADA didn't have time to discuss with her the details and gave 1 month strict ban even if too comfortable timing. For sinner it's been building up.

I have never said he is innocent. Just the witch hunt is too much. And now giving him a choice to settle at this exact moment is the final straw. And I am more blaming the WADA system not sinner the most here. This is how corruption looks like to me.
 
jeroenn said:
Tough luck.

If people feel they can accuse somene of being a cheater, doper or even criminal as has been done here, while having no evidence whatsover, while having mutiple entities that actually know all the details, are experts on the subject and are indepenent say otherwise, then to me you're a sad soul.

We live in a world where misinformation, lies, burying and ignoring of facts and accusations based on nothing more than innuendo is the standard and it's not making the world a better place. So as long as I can type, I will voice against that.
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I believe Sinner is clean, just like you, but we have to be intellectually honest here.

He was found with a doping substance in his system, that's a fact. Then you can believe his story or not, but you can't say there's no evidence whatsoever.
 
nolefam_2024 said:
My flip is gradual. After sinner there is Iga case and WADA didn't have time to discuss with her the details and gave 1 month strict ban even if too comfortable timing. For sinner it's been building up.

I have never said he is innocent. Just the witch hunt is too much. And now giving him a choice to settle at this exact moment is the final straw. And I am more blaming the WADA system not sinner the most here. This is how corruption looks like to me.
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Its not really about if he is innocent or not. People can believe what they want, i dont have a clue if he is innocent, how would i know?

All involved parties have accepted his teams explanation, so the question in line is to which degree he should be held responsible for his phyiotherapist ignorance?

Given Sinners story is true, 3 months seems fair to me; it didnt enhance performance, and i dont see why he should get a long ban for his physios stupidity.
 
Jonas78 said:
Its not really about if he is innocent or not. People can believe what they want, i dont have a clue if he is innocent, how would i know?

All involved parties have accepted his teams explanation, so the question in line is to which degree he should be held responsible for his phyiotherapist ignorance?

Given Sinners story is true, 3 months seems fair to me; it didnt enhance performance, and i dont see why he should get a long ban for his physios stupidity.
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Wooooa watch out. Logic? Facts? You don't want to be a blind fan like me
 
Jonas78 said:
Its not really about if he is innocent or not. People can believe what they want, i dont have a clue if he is innocent, how would i know?

All involved parties have accepted his teams explanation, so the question in line is to which degree he should be held responsible for his phyiotherapist ignorance?

Given Sinners story is true, 3 months seems fair to me; it didnt enhance performance, and i dont see why he should get a long ban for his physios stupidity.
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Every honest player of present and past has called it convenient ban. There is no controversy at all do you agree?

yes and i will answer your question. If 3 months is 3 months then WADA chooses best 3 months thereby showing huge favoriticism. Why not in October last year? Turin? Why not after April this year which is very long time after the test anyway literally 13 months later.
 
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nolefam_2024 said:

Every honest player of present and past has called it convenient ban. There is no controversy at all do you agree?

yes and i will answer your question. If 3 months is 3 months then WADA chooses best 3 months thereby showing huge favoriticism. Why not in October last year? Turin? Why not after April this year which is very long time after the test anyway literally 13 months later.
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Because Sinner would not have agreed to it man, it's what I've been saying. That's how settlements work. It's not an imposition, it's an agreement.
 
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Birrittene96 said:
I believe Sinner is clean, just like you, but we have to be intellectually honest here.

He was found with a doping substance in his system, that's a fact. Then you can believe his story or not, but you can't say there's no evidence whatsoever.
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I have yet to see any evidence of:
- Intentional doping
- Abuse of PED
- A positve test of a forbidden substance to the level where it has PE qualities
- Anything showing that Clostebol was in fact used as a masking agent
- Any use of any substance that can be used while being masked by Clostebol

etc. etc.

Show me the anything like that, and I will gladly reconsider my position, as I have always maintened I would.
 
jeroenn said:
I have yet to see any evidence of:
- Intentional doping
- Abuse of PED
- A positve test of a forbidden substance to the level where it has PE qualities
- Anything showing that Clostebol was in fact used as a masking agent
- Any use of any substance that can be used while being masked by Clostebol

etc. etc.

Show me the anything like that, and I will gladly reconsider my position, as I have always maintened I would.
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What you don't see is what you will never see.
 
nolefam_2024 said:

Every honest player of present and past has called it convenient ban. There is no controversy at all do you agree?

yes and i will answer your question. If 3 months is 3 months then WADA chooses best 3 months thereby showing huge favoriticism. Why not in October last year? Turin? Why not after April this year which is very long time after the test anyway literally 13 months later.
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Given i havent misunderstood (which i could have), its not up to WADA. The case was originally settled by ITIA with no ban, WADA appealed.
 
Jonas78 said:
Given i havent misunderstood (which i could have), its not up to WADA. The case was originally settled by ITIA with no ban, WADA appealed.
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You are still not talking the real points. Forget ITIA, they have screwed up big time.

WADA appealed in last October and gave him a DEAL just in time for Rome. This is laughable, do you agree?
 
Ofc you are free to have that opinion.

I dont know which considerations WADA did, i hope they are not all idiots lol.

As said before here, Sinner would probably not have signed a deal missing FO/W?

Personally, as ive said before, i think its fair given that one have accepted Sinners story.
 
Jonas78 said:
Ofc you are free to have that opinion.

I dont know which considerations WADA did, i hope they are not all idiots lol.

As said before here, Sinner would probably not have signed a deal missing FO/W?

Personally, as ive said before, i think its fair given that one have accepted Sinners story.
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Do you think sinner is in such a position to not make a deal?

The guy was caught that's the truth. Now we are just talking semantics.

You are saying sinner case is so solid that he won't sign a deal even when tennis is strict liability sport. That makes zero sense to me.
 
nolefam_2024 said:
Do you think sinner is in such a position to not make a deal?

The guy was caught that's the truth. Now we are just talking semantics.

You are saying sinner case is so solid that he won't sign a deal even when tennis is strict liability sport. That makes zero sense to me.
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Well, if WADA had all the cards, why appeal and then give Sinner a "monster deal"?
 
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