dking68
G.O.A.T.
@Rovesciarete @Rafa4LifeEver i don’t think he will win a big title on clay this year again. Sighs
Sinner accepts settlement with WADA for 3 month ban
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THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
Tough day. If Sinner had been banned Zedrot would have won the AO
He did not. Good for tennis.
onyxrose81
Hall of Fame
I don’t care what his defenders say, it should have been a longer ban. It’s ridiculous. He’s missing no tournaments that people pay attention to.
BallisticMissileFonseca
Semi-Pro
Swiper, no swiping
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Lleytonstation
Talk Tennis Guru
Him coming in and winning the French would be the funniest thing ever.
gamelovergold
Semi-Pro
Every doper says same thing. I am innocent is everyone mantra for this type of situation. Have you seen anyone who says yes i took the PED .
dking68
G.O.A.T.
I feel more confident in him defending the USO however. He won’t be burnt out after a grueling clay season. But damn, really wanted him to win a big title on clay.
This is a ridiculous assertion. WADA itself could not have been any clearer in its summary of the deal: "“WADA accepts that Mr. Sinner did not intend to cheat, and that his exposure to clostebol did not provide any performance-enhancing benefit and took place without his knowledge as the result of negligence of members of his entourage." There is no evidence that Sinner was "knowingly doping." There never was any such evidence. Why do you (and others here, unfortunately) continue to peddle this crap?
It's also amazing how many people here hold a childish, "You don't settle if you're 'innocent'" worldview. Every adversarial proceeding entails risk. No outcome is guaranteed, regardless of the underlying facts. Settlements manage risk and resolve disputes. That's their purpose. And in Sinner's case, since the only issue left in the case was his possible responsibility for the errors made by his team, a deal for a short suspension was probably a prudent move, given that the risk of a potentially career-ravaging one- to two-year suspension could not be eliminated by any other means.
Let me type slowly again so you can follow:
- The test that was done on sinner, found metabolites, not the drug itself. See the ITIA pdf (page 2).
- The clostebol S1 metabolite can detected up to 31 days
Why are you posting stuff about drug half life while that isn't even what was tested?
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I'm not going to go any further in this discussion btw. You can go ahead and spout your fantasies all you want, Sinner was cleared of any intentional doping by 3 separate entities, so good luck with that.
Lleytonstation
Talk Tennis Guru
Well that's not true. I say he is missing 4 top 10 tourneys of the year.
Honestly not sure people have been paying attention to that. Like I cant recall a doper who was like yup they caught me, I doped
Lleytonstation
Talk Tennis Guru
I agree. Doesn't change facts. He denied it and the board agreed.
Lleytonstation
Talk Tennis Guru
Wimbledon will set up nice lol
Znak
Hall of Fame
dking68
G.O.A.T.
I mean he still has Rome and RG to play which is great. But, I feel he was riding a wave so big
Red Rick
Bionic Poster
Thread's a good hourly reminder that people are so ****ing tribal and stupid
I love that I’ll have to explain the outrageous rubdown story to my incredulous friends for the rest of my life. They’ll definitely take this sport seriously. Definitely won’t think I’m a lunatic and this is a clown show sport.
I’m just so embarrassed. To the people looking in from the outside this seems completely idiotic. And Sinner’s complete and utter lack of shame about the entire thing caps it off.
I’m just so embarrassed. To the people looking in from the outside this seems completely idiotic. And Sinner’s complete and utter lack of shame about the entire thing caps it off.
Clearly you don't understand the very basics of doping detection.
Thankfully you can explain..
Red Rick
Bionic Poster
The amount of whitewashing has been absurd too. Like, every brand/institution trying to make Sinner bigger since it first came out. People giving interviews saying "Sinner good boy wouldn't dope".
All the while he's probably the guy with the least personality the game has ever seen. It's like a propaganda effort trying to tell you plain white bread is the best food ever.
Federer and Del Potro
Bionic Poster
Rosstour
G.O.A.T.
Sorry but if you believe that Halep didn't dope intentionally, got a bridge to sell you
At least Lance gave us the cool livestrong bands and had some real charisma in a psycho way.
SonicNirvana
Hall of Fame
aight does everyone cheat and he's just the one being punished ala baseball in the 90s?
hoodjem
G.O.A.T.
Banned until 4 May.
Good timing. Plenty of time for rehab and R&R.
“Under the terms of the agreement, Mr. Sinner will serve his period of ineligibility from 9 February 2025 to 11:59 pm on 4 May 2025 (which includes a credit for four days previously served by the athlete while he was under a provisional suspension). As per the Code Article 10.14.2, Mr. Sinner may return to official training activity from 13 April 2025. “
Italian Open starts 7 May.
Will he be ready?
And RG?
Good timing. Plenty of time for rehab and R&R.
“Under the terms of the agreement, Mr. Sinner will serve his period of ineligibility from 9 February 2025 to 11:59 pm on 4 May 2025 (which includes a credit for four days previously served by the athlete while he was under a provisional suspension). As per the Code Article 10.14.2, Mr. Sinner may return to official training activity from 13 April 2025. “
Italian Open starts 7 May.
Will he be ready?
And RG?
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Winners or Errors
Legend
Well, I can hardly say I'm surprised. Minimal impact on Sinner's career. Ban should allow him to run a pretty impressive training block. Unlike pretty much everyone else, he'll be coming into RG fresh - albeit perhaps rusty. If he wins RG, could make a run for a calendar slam... all thanks to being banned for 3 months. Now, that'd be a story...
Genie Of the Bank
Hall of Fame
I doubt that , Novak would be banned for at least two major appearances for the same doping accident as Sinner .
Federer and Del Potro
Bionic Poster
Jannik returning in May
Rosstour
G.O.A.T.
I think everyone is doing it, and Sinner was caught because Djoko gave him up.
Pretty impressive training block and 3 months of "Cahiller's Chemstacks", he will come back even more ripped for RG.
TheSlicer
Hall of Fame
Lance armstrong, only that It was 20 years laterHonestly not sure people have been paying attention to that. Like I cant recall a doper who was like yup they caught me, I doped
It really is impossible to explain the "facts" put forwarded by Sinner's defense with a straight face. Just shameful.
Yes. While it's fair to grumble about Swiatek's one-month suspension settlement as having no practical impact due to the time of year in which it occurred, the same is not true of Sinner's deal. There are thousands of ranking points and many millions of dollars in prize money that he'll now have no chance to earn. This is on top of the out-of-pocket direct losses he sustained in 2024 from the ITIA: 400 ranking points and $325,000.
For Sinner, the settlement is painful but not immensely destructive. For WADA, the settlement probably provides the longest suspension that they could reasonably expect Sinner to accept voluntarily. There would be no reason for Sinner to agree to a suspension that would totally trash the rest of 2025 for him; if WADA insisted on that, he'd just take his chances before the CAS.
TheGoldenEra1990’s
Hall of Fame
Yes everyone is doing it or at least the top 50-100 dudes are. But it’s also horrible how people defend obvious cheaters. If he wasn’t doping he would still be the same old title-less loser he was probably 4 years ago. The thing with PEDs is some people are hyper reponders to them physiologically
The whole “rub down” story is a complete barrel of crap too and you all know it. So stop defending it
The whole “rub down” story is a complete barrel of crap too and you all know it. So stop defending it
Birrittene96
New User
If you prefer you can explain how after being caught he didn't have any drop in performance at all, actually he played even better. Typical of a doper.
Genie Of the Bank
Hall of Fame
I dont think Jannik would use any banned substance for his advantage. Only his will power and hard-work + Novak former fitness coach and physio for shortcuts for quick success .
Lleytonstation
Talk Tennis Guru
TheSlicer
Hall of Fame
its a dope ban in every sense of the word
TheGoldenEra1990’s
Hall of Fame
Who said he stopped? There are masking agents being developed all the time that can stay ahead of the testers
Lleytonstation
Talk Tennis Guru
So everyone would be doing it then eh?
I have a total different feeling. Only this year he has a chance to focus on clay since February. I believe he will use the 3 months period for stamina and strength but also to work on shots and movements for RG. Rome will be a test event.
Rosstour
G.O.A.T.
Don't let his nice guy looks fool you, we made the same mistake with Halep.
"She's so cute, our adorable Simo would never!"
Birrittene96
New User
Yeah sure.
Knowing that you will be controlled more thoroughly than anybody else and that another failed test would be the end of your career, I doubt it.
Also if it's so easy to avoid being caught even after a case like this, you can bet everyone is doping.
THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
Its called a defense of an allegedly "good" player who fits his agenda-soaked perspective. Halep's story was so easily debunked, and now she's paying the price for it--and is allowed to flee from the sport.
Top 50 male players? That includes one with a last name beginning with the letter "A", yet you're risking your posts deleted if you mention him.
dking68
G.O.A.T.
What you’re saying? You think he has a chance to win RG?
Rosstour
G.O.A.T.
Yep--and if we think there wasn't another violation and impending sanction motivating her sudden retirement, I got bridges to sell them too
That player is suspect as hell too. The veins in his hitting arm are....damaged
PDJ
G.O.A.T.
Probably. Or taking to their panic rooms . .
soldat
Semi-Pro
I am not a fan of the double standard of treatment for Sinner.
On an unrelated note, many cases are settled, the plaintiff can choose to settle even though they have a winning case, a defendant can settle even though they may be innocent.
Just the fact that Sinner settled doesn’t mean anything necessarily, I do think that Sinner is not the type of individual to intentionally cheat.
However, he should still receive the same 1-2 year ban that comes with something like this, just as Halep and other players were banned.
Rosstour
G.O.A.T.
Nice one.
Btw the "coaches" are a huge part of this.
Halep went from Cahill to Patrick and then got busted.
When Halep got busted, Rune had a huge dip in form that he has never recovered from
Halep retires suddenly--Sinner has already said that Cahill is retiring at the end of the year
Jannik has been seen practicing at Patrick's and will likely make him his next coach
Patrick was coaching Serena during the panic room episode right?
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