Sinner accepts settlement with WADA for 3 month ban

Winner Sinner said:
People like you can only make these allusions through this forum.
But you and those like you, from the height of your own convictions, should have the courage to go and write these things to the person concerned via private message.
Obviously there would be an infinitesimal possibility that it would then be read, but if it were to happen at that point you could also be sued for slander and defamation, given that the things you say do not correspond to the facts that emerged from various court procedures that led to a plea agreement between the parties.

But if you are so convinced of what you are advocating, give yourself courage and ask them to write directly in private expressing your thoughts on the matter.
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You should report @Rosstour to the Duce!
 
jm1972 said:
Because the standard of proof is "more likely than not".
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And? The way I read you and your fellow 'sinner has doped' clan, it's highly likely that he doped and that the story he told is highly unlikely. Swiss cheese, remember? So what is the WADA missing that you guys have?
 
Rosstour said:
Opinions are generally not covered under slander/defamation.

And no there's a lot I wouldn't say to them, like Fed is my favorite player yet I think it's possible he doped. Would I say it to him in person? No

But that goes for any of us.
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Okay, I'm just interested in knowing if you're understanding why you can't tell him in person.
 
Sarzy said:
Serving a three month ban now is a joke. I'm not surprised at all though.
Tennis is not in a good spot right now.
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Serving in last April would have been perfect way. But even in October would be fine when wada challenged during Shanghai I am guessing.
 
Aussie Darcy said:
Why did he accept a 3 month ban then :)

Surely he should have fought it and cleared his name?

Seems oddly suspicious and like he they did this to make sure he'd be back in time for RG? :)
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It's more complicated. Why did Fauci accept a pardon if he wasn't guilty? Sometimes it's easier to settle to put this behind him so he can focus on tennis. And as you say this ban won't affect his grandslam availability so it is a calculated decision.
 
jeroenn said:
Jannik Sinner is an upstanding no 1 player, multiple slam winner who dealt with a situation as best as he could, for which he earned my respect. He's been cleared of intentional doping and cheating by multiple parties, including the WADA and ITIA and that is certainly good enough for me.

I hope he has a long and prosperous career and he has my full support.
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Now every doper can use that spray/cream for an excuse and get 3 months :oops:
 
junior74 said:
An innocent man doesn't settle for a sentence except when he knows not settling will give him a worse outcome.
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Just playing devil's advocate here, but you can get a worse outcome even if you are innocent.

As an example, in the American justice system 98% of cases end in a plea bargain. As the defendant, you have to consider the possibility of being convicted even if you are innocent. And a lot of people would rather take the plea than risk a worse sentence

Sinner isn't even going to miss that many important tournaments. If this means he can avoid the circus and put this behind him, that's not a bad deal
 
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jm1972 said:
No conspiracy theory needed here. The joint probability that all the "facts" that the defense alleged happened at the same time are very close to zero.

These things had to happen at same time:
- Physio brings doping product to US from Italy (after being explicity told by another staff member that it was doping).
- Physio cut his finger on that week.
- Physio didn't cover his wound.
- Player had an open wound.

These are Swiss cheese slices that hardly have any holes.
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Definitely not zero probability.
There are pictures of Sinner's trainer Giacomo Naldi with a cut on his finger during Indian Wells.

https://imgur.com/a/dlncwso

They had a proof of the purchase in a regular drug store in Italy. The product can be bought without prescription here.

It's common that players' close staff don't wear gloves during massages, as confirmed by other pros.

It's still crazy that they made such a stupid mistake, but I'd say it's the most likely answer given all the information that we have. I can't say I'm 100% sure, but seeing how he's still performing at this extraordinary level, I'm positive about him.
 
Birrittene96 said:
Definitely not zero probability.
There are pictures of Sinner's trainer Giacomo Naldi with a cut on his finger during Indian Wells.

https://imgur.com/a/dlncwso

They had a proof of the purchase in a regular drug store in Italy. The product can be bought without prescription here.

It's common that players' close staff don't wear gloves during massages, as confirmed by other pros.

It's still crazy that they made such a stupid mistake, but I'd say it's the most likely answer given all the information that we have. I can't say I'm 100% sure, but seeing how he's still performing at this extraordinary level, I'm positive about him.
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Likely? Yes.
Believable? No.
 
roysid said:
We can have endless posts, but that wont have any impact.
Ex players have already given their reactions which is not positive. The timing is too convenient is the general comment
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Really the extreme convenience of it should tell us all we need to know on the strength of WADA's hand, and if anything should convince people "oh then if WADA are taking this deal then Jannik really was innocent". But of course people will interpret it in their own way. For me, he's been cleared 100% once, he's accepting a tap on the hand to get it over with. Means it was really nothing major. End of, and I'm glad we'll have him for Rome and the slams.
 
Genie Of the Bank said:
I like Jannik and belie it was accidental consummation for micro traces of banned substance for both times, still if it was Trocki or Djokovic the ban would be at least 12 months. The WADA is still inconsistent in their rulings - they are harsh for eastern Europeans and the rest of the world but usually a slap on the wrist for sportsmen from western countries.

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Looks quite different in that pic compared to the clostebol era.
 
Drighiz said:
Really the extreme convenience of it should tell us all we need to know on the strength of WADA's hand, and if anything should convince people "oh then if WADA are taking this deal then Jannik really was innocent". But of course people will interpret it in their own way. For me, he's been cleared 100% once, he's accepting a tap on the hand to get it over with. Means it was really nothing major. End of, and I'm glad we'll have him for Rome and the slams.
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Like how rich do you think WADA is ya reckon they could go against an army of lawyers just for chuckles?
 
nolefam_2024 said:
The fans getting outraged is completely justifiable.
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Let's not generalize about "the fans" based on the online histrionics of the perpetually outraged.

nolefam_2024 said:
Firstly he was given 6 days off just 6 days in March and they said he served the sentence and even 6 days is dubious as it was between iw semis and Miami r1.

You think even this above is not corrupt. Go through the entire timeline.
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The initial "sentence" (not an accurate description, but we'll go with your terminology) was brief because Sinner brought an immediate, ostensibly well-founded appeal. The ITIA investigation, hearing, and decision then followed in due course. Nothing in that process appears to have inordinately delayed. And the process was not invented on the spot to accommodate Sinner.

The prolongment of the process since the announcement of the Independent Tribunal's decision was the result of WADA's last-minute intervention. First, WADA requested extra time to review the record. That extended the appeal period. Then WADA unexpectedly decide to appeal the outcome on the "no fault or negligence" point. None of that was done for Sinner's benefit -- indeed, Sinner and his camp were shocked by WADA's decision, as everyone here should recall. WADA added months to the saga to hurt Sinner, not help him.

The process after that consisted of agreeing on and rounding up the jurists who would serve on the CAS panel, then getting the case on the CAS docket with a firm hearing date. That date was fixed more than a month ago. There is nothing abnormal whatsoever about the settlement's occurring as the hearing date grew closer in time. That's how the adversarial system works.

I don't see any basis here for "corruption" accusations. I'm not even sure if the people hurling such accusations understand what they are alleging (is the deal "corrupt" because the ban is too short? because the adjudicative process supposedly took too long? because the settlement has been made in mid-February as opposed to two months earlier or two months later? because Sinner had the resources to hire competent legal counsel? because WADA failed to adopt a "Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead!" approach that might have been self-destructive?).
 
So basically his punishment is just to sit home and chill, while everyone else beats themselves up and he goes into RG well rested and continues on to win the calendar slam LOL. Not exactly San Quentin 24 hour lockdown

Why have WADA if it’s all BS double standards anyways?
 
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The #1 player is not banned for a career destroying length of time - this is good news for tennis! I wholeheartedly welcome this settlement. Anyhow, it will be a difficult and awkward time for Sinner - to come back after 3 months of inactivity is not going to be easy.
 
sortof said:
The #1 player is not banned for a career destroying length of time - this is good news for tennis! I wholeheartedly welcome this settlement. Anyhow, it will be a difficult and awkward time for Sinner - to come back after 3 months of inactivity is not going to be easy.
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It’s double standards. If he was a nameless mug it would be 3 years instead of 3 months. If this stuff isn’t enforced equally then you may as well not test at all. Let everyone dope their brains out
 
But Halep won’t be allowed into the Fifi Hall of Fame for her ‘digressions’, while several other ‘favorite’ stars have a list of ‘secret’ TUE’s that nobody cares about.

rigged deal
 
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Why even bother with punishment if this is what you are going to give?

Either come out and say we don’t think he did anything wrong or give a real punishment.
 
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jm1980 said:
Just playing devil's advocate here, but you can get a worse outcome even if you are innocent.

As an example, in the American justice system 98% of cases end in a plea bargain. As the defendant, you have to consider the possibility being convicted even if you are innocent. And a lot of people would rather take the plea than risk a worse sentence

Sinner isn't even going to miss that many important tournaments. If this means he can avoid the circus and put this behind him, that's not a bad deal
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Yes, my comment had two fire escapes. It’s not hard to see his desire to put things to rest.
 
soldat said:
I am not a fan of the double standard of treatment for Sinner.

On an unrelated note, many cases are settled, the plaintiff can choose to settle even though they have a winning case, a defendant can settle even though they may be innocent.

Just the fact that Sinner settled doesn’t mean anything necessarily, I do think that Sinner is not the type of individual to intentionally cheat.

However, he should still receive the same 1-2 year ban that comes with something like this, just as Halep and other players were banned.
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No, it is not good business for the ATP.
Sinner's name is much bigger than Halep was for the WTA.
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AM75 said:
Sharapova was banished for more than a year for her negligence / incompetence of her team. Why Sinner is different?
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Sharapova called a press conference to pull out of 2016 Indian Wells, and announced that she had failed a drug test at the 2016 Australian Open for meldonium, a drug that was only put on the banned list on 1 January 2016.

What was the response of the authorities initially? To ban Sharapova for 2 years! It was reduced to 15 months on appeal. I believe that they did this because Sharapova represented Russia, and not the USA.
 
Sinner took the ban at the right time for him, get it out of the way, after which he can continue to play all the slams.

He's basically only missing a couple of masters titles, and while that may hurt, considering he is an ATG in the making, missing slams would hurt a lot more. He will be fresh heading into the late clay swing and grass season. The main part of the season is still there for him.
 
Hitman said:
Sinner took the ban at the right time for him, get it out of the way, after which he can continue to play all the slams.

He's basically only missing a couple of masters titles, and while that may hurt, considering he is an ATG in the making, missing slams would hurt a lot more. He will be fresh heading into the late clay swing and grass season. The main part of the season is still there for him.
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Did he get to choose when to take the ban?
 
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Good to see that this case has finally been settled. All parties involved, including WADA, agree that Sinner did nothing wrong. This was obvious from the beginning, when the Independent Panel handed down its Decision. Shame on those who continue to wallow in their ignorance and defame Sinner by calling him a doper. And kudos to those who defended Sinner, especially other players on tour like Casper Rudd, who was one of the very few who took the time to actually read the documents and understand the facts.

No player should face a penalty if they have done nothing wrong. The three month suspension is unfair on Sinner. But it is completely understandable why he accepted this suspension given the circumstances. The anti-doping rules as they stand are flawed and need to change; WADA has acknowledged this and hopefully they follow through on making changes so that the system will be more strongly geared toward identifying and punishing actual dopers instead of innocent athletes like Sinner.

Sinner handled this saga with a maturity and level-headedness well beyond his years. He was transparent throughout and never avoided questions from the press about it. My respect for Sinner has only increased as a result of these events and I wish him all the best.
 
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Bambooman said:
Agassi served a ban that took as long as it took for his explanatory record to be read.
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Agassi did not have a ban. He wrote a letter to the ATP explaining a positive test for crystal meth in 1997, which was accepted by the ATP, and was not revealed to the public until Agassi's autobiography came out.

At the time of the positive test, Agassi was well out of the top 10.
 
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