Sinner and Medvedev: the question isn't IF, it is WHEN.

Who will have the upper hand in slams by 2025, Sinner or Medvedev?

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UnderratedSlam

UnderratedSlam

G.O.A.T.
The next duo that will split nearly all the slams between them are Sinner and Medvedev, the Tom-Sawyer-like German-Italian and the controversial Russian.

Unfortunately, there is a 5-year gap between them, so agists and nit-pickers will yet again bicker for years why the H2H doesn't allegedly count and fans will have silly peak/prime/shmeep theories that will be used as excuses for the defeats of one or the other. But I guess the Big 3 era got us used to that kind of nonsense already...

I've known that Sinner will reach the finale at the NextGen event just 10 minutes into his first match. He is that good. And he won it as the youngest player there. His form in Antwerp also made me convinced he is the next dominator. Or A dominator.

The only questions are when these two will start winning slams and who will win more.

In my not-so-humble opinion, this means that Zverev, Tsetse, Shapovalov and others have a very narrow window of time to sneak in a slam or two. I believe Sinner will be a top 5 player latest by 2021/22, and Medvedevious is already there. And considering the Big 3 are still dominant, I feel pity for Zverev, Tsetse and all the others because most likely they will be the Ferrers, Tsongas and Berdychs of the next era.
 
I'm betting Medvedev's game continues to improve. Sinner is a wild card, but he's got plenty of potential. I'm still taking the safe bet. Medvedev is a top 5 player, great on HC, and he's still not over the hump. By 2025, maybe he'll start playing worse, but by then I think his lead over Sinner will keep him ahead.
 
Yugram said:
@UnderratedSlam, do you remember Hyeon Chung? You know, the guy who won NextGen Finals 2 years ago?

How many Slemz for him by 2025?
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Your argument would be valid if I ever hyped Chung or Tsetsefly.

I never did.

Also, some junior slam winners achieve nothing, some win real slams. If you are going to denigrate NextGen Masters just because Chung won it, then junior slams mean zero too. All of them.

Sinner has a crushing game and he's only 18, and is already schooling 20 year-olds. Whoever follows tennis for decades must recognize the huge talent he has. Chung clearly doesn't have it, Tsetse to an extent.

D Minor was dominant in his group yet Sinner crushed him. Youngest player in field.
 
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Sinner can serve 130, can return serve with interest right to your feet like Nole, took the ball early, was consistently aggressive and confident putting away short balls with the forehand. Came forward a few times this tournament, is constantly improving in this area. Is improving his court craft. Really going to be good on fast surfaces I think. Most impressive thing was very clutch mentality.

Not convinced by his defense/lateral mobility yet for the big leagues yet. Let’s see when we get to to the slow HC/clay season.

ADM may be a particularly good matchup for his game, given that he struggled against Humbert. I like that Sinner played his best match in the biggest moment though. Bodes well for the future
 
RelentlessAttack said:
Sinner can serve 130, can return serve with interest right to your feet like Nole, took the ball early, was consistently aggressive and confident putting away short balls with the forehand. Came forward a few times this tournament, is constantly improving in this area. Is improving his court craft. Really going to be good on fast surfaces I think. Most impressive thing was very clutch mentality.

Not convinced by his defense/lateral mobility yet for the big leagues yet. Let’s see when we get to to the slow HC/clay season.

ADM may be a particularly good matchup for his game, given that he struggled against Humbert. I like that Sinner played his best match in the biggest moment though. Bodes well for the future
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This is key.
 
Too early to jump on the hype train for Sinner just yet. Kid has just turned 18; let’s not hype him up to Slam wins just yet. He does have PLENTY of potential, however. The big question right now is how much of it he will unlock.
 
Sinner looks very promising. Nice attacking play. Kind of like teen Djokovic.

Would be nice to see a first strike tennis match between Fed and Sinner next year.
 
Look at sinner's shots. Do they look like shots of a grand slam winner? no. He isnt gonna win slams, maybe one only, for the same reason Felix is never going to win one - mediocre technique
 
Sinner, really? He played against kids of his own age group. He is still to be tested against the men of the ATP. Has he even won a tour title yet?
 
it's all about wingspan in tennis today and this kid has that and the whole package. tennis is going to be interesting post fedal and the storylines and talent have come together in the last 18 months. wonder why the lost generation didn't live up. dmitrov having an almost late run a la wawrinka and mardy fish.
 
UnderratedSlam said:
The next duo that will split nearly all the slams between them are Sinner and Medvedev, the Tom-Sawyer-like German-Italian and the controversial Russian.

Unfortunately, there is a 5-year gap between them, so agists and nit-pickers will yet again bicker for years why the H2H doesn't allegedly count and fans will have silly peak/prime/shmeep theories that will be used as excuses for the defeats of one or the other. But I guess the Big 3 era got us used to that kind of nonsense already...

I've known that Sinner will reach the finale at the NextGen event just 10 minutes into his first match. He is that good. And he won it as the youngest player there. His form in Antwerp also made me convinced he is the next dominator. Or A dominator.

The only questions are when these two will start winning slams and who will win more.

In my not-so-humble opinion, this means that Zverev, Tsetse, Shapovalov and others have a very narrow window of time to sneak in a slam or two. I believe Sinner will be a top 5 player latest by 2021/22, and Medvedevious is already there. And considering the Big 3 are still dominant, I feel pity for Zverev, Tsetse and all the others because most likely they will be the Ferrers, Tsongas and Berdychs of the next era.
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I won’t bet until I see my hand.
 
King No1e said:
Everyone's sleeping on Tsitsipas. Wouldn't shock me if he wins more Slams than Medvedev.
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The problem I have with Tsitsipas, what is his weapon? He’s pretty good at everything except ROS. But he’s not truly elite in any one or multiple areas in the way that you’d expect from a multi slam winner. I think this is why he gets beaten by the Canadian kids so often tbh, they play with a lot of belief against him because they know him from junior and know they can overpower him
 
RelentlessAttack said:
The problem I have with Tsitsipas, what is his weapon? He’s pretty good at everything except ROS. But he’s not truly elite in any one or multiple areas in the way that you’d expect from a multi slam winner. I think this is why he gets beaten by the Canadian kids so often tbh, they play with a lot of belief against him because they know him from junior and know they can overpower him
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Tsitsipas has a great serve and net game. Agreed it's not the Federer forehand or Djokovic backhand, but it's better than nothing. And it's not like Medvedev is known for his firepower either (other than his serve, but he doesn't win by servebotting). He plays the percentages really well. Tsitsipas could become a solid all-courter with a big serve due to the height advantage, but he still has to improve it if he wants to be the next world beater.
 
Isn't it a little too soon to label Sinner as a future World #1 & GS winner?
Ok he is young, ok he is talented, ok he won the next gen trophy in Milan. Let's not be too presumptuous, though.

Med seems like a future #1 for sure, but I'm also waiting for confirmation in 2020. For now he hasn't beaten Federer or Nadal, and he has only beaten Djokovic while he was injured in Cincinnati and still on holydays in Monaco. He won 2 M1000 and made one GS final, in which he stuggled to win against players like Dellien, Knoepfer and Lopez.

I say let's wait and see. I'm not jumping to conclusion.
 
RelentlessAttack said:
The problem I have with Tsitsipas, what is his weapon? He’s pretty good at everything except ROS. But he’s not truly elite in any one or multiple areas in the way that you’d expect from a multi slam winner. I think this is why he gets beaten by the Canadian kids so often tbh, they play with a lot of belief against him because they know him from junior and know they can overpower him
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He has a beautiful one handed backhand.
 
You know when they say there's light at the end of the tunnel, can we get a reality check on how long this tunnel is? When was the last time a non-big3 member won a slam? Who was it again? Lew or Spencer somebody?

I'll go Med all day. The guy is a rock. Sinner is just a basher. Disrupt his rhythm with actual quality junk and he's got very little depth to his game or character. Bookmark it Sinners, saints and doubterers.
 
I agree with op here. The talent deficit in Tennis is finally over. This guy seems real deal to me. His backhand ia world class shot already. There are flashes of Nalby kind of BH magic. Today I can say one thing for sure - within 2-3 years to come his BH will regarded as one the best ever.


I have not watched much of him but it definitely seems he has more talent than Medvedev, also his strokes are technically sound compared to Med. If everything goes well for sinner, he will next dominant champ.
 
nolefam_2024 said:
But we can't laugh at them.

Just 1 year back sinner had not won a masters title.

He is very slow starter.
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A slow starter, yes, but catching up now. First man in my lifetime to win his first two slams in the same calendar year! (The last was Guillermo Vilas in 1977 - I was born in 1978).

Martina Hingis won her first two slams in 1997, Venus Williams won her first two in 2000, and Jennifer Capriati won her first two in 2001. So, this was once common amongst women, and it's mostly just an historical oddity that it didn't happen for 47 years among men, but a nice little factoid for Sinner.

He is also the first man ever to win the hardcourt double in a calendar year without the double being part of a triple. As with the other factoid, Angelique Kerber had done it previously - in 2016 - and Sabalenka joined Sinner in doing it this year. I mention this only because it makes for a case that they are hard-court specialists. Kerber went on to win Wimbledon in 2018, so is in the clear, but Sabalenka and Sinner could do better at the non-hard-court majors - for both of them, their best performance is losing semi-finals at both Roland Garros and Wimbledon.
 
helterskelter said:
A slow starter, yes, but catching up now. First man in my lifetime to win his first two slams in the same calendar year! (The last was Guillermo Vilas in 1977 - I was born in 1978).

Martina Hingis won her first two slams in 1997, Venus Williams won her first two in 2000, and Jennifer Capriati won her first two in 2001. So, this was once common amongst women, and it's mostly just an historical oddity that it didn't happen for 47 years among men, but a nice little factoid for Sinner.

He is also the first man ever to win the hardcourt double in a calendar year without the double being part of a triple. As with the other factoid, Angelique Kerber had done it previously - in 2016 - and Sabalenka joined Sinner in doing it this year. I mention this only because it makes for a case that they are hard-court specialists. Kerber went on to win Wimbledon in 2018, so is in the clear, but Sabalenka and Sinner could do better at the non-hard-court majors - for both of them, their best performance is losing semi-finals at both Roland Garros and Wimbledon.
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I agree.

He also was in prime position to do the AO IW Miami triple this year. He had raz down 6-1 in first set.

He is going to be atg most likely. I am just saying 2 years back we had doubts. 1 year back strong doubts.
 
nolefam_2024 said:
I agree.

He also was in prime position to do the AO IW Miami triple this year. He had raz down 6-1 in first set.

He is going to be atg most likely. I am just saying 2 years back we had doubts. 1 year back strong doubts.
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True. (Though about the triple: had he won IW, Miami might have gone differently. The draw would have been different, and Alcaraz might have been more determined rather than a bit complacent. Of course, Sinner might well/would probably have won it, anyway, but there's the possibility of a butterfly effect).

Sinner's game has often been compared to Berdych in the past, but he's in my opinion more like Djokovic in playing style. Nowhere near as flexible and his stamina/durability has a long way to go to match that of the mature Djokovic. But Djokovic, like Sinner, struggled with those things - and with injury proneness - until he was about 23. Perhaps Sinner will improve on it next year.
 
helterskelter said:
True. (Though about the triple: had he won IW, Miami might have gone differently. The draw would have been different, and Alcaraz might have been more determined rather than a bit complacent. Of course, Sinner might well/would probably have won it, anyway, but there's the possibility of a butterfly effect).

Sinner's game has often been compared to Berdych in the past, but he's in my opinion more like Djokovic in playing style. Nowhere near as flexible and his stamina/durability has a long way to go to match that of the mature Djokovic. But Djokovic, like Sinner, struggled with those things - and with injury proneness - until he was about 23. Perhaps Sinner will improve on it next year.
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Sinner had the most dominating masters win in last 10 years. I don't think he would allow Raz to do much in Miami. And if we remember, between Cincy and Miami, he only reached 1 final that was in IW where Sinner fizzled out. Miami in fact Dimitrov beat Raz 2 and 4.
 
I agree 100% on similarity to Djokovic. I created this thread in 2023 and thought he would be most similar to Berdych but found myself wrong. He is more like Djokovic than Berdych.
Only his long hands and power strikes us a Berdych similarity now.

Jannik Sinner is very similar to Berdych

When Sinner was skinny and lacked top tier serve, many of us including myself saw him as mini Berdych. He had the same smooth fh and ability to hit the cover of the ball like Berdych. It also meant his top game would have been a bit conservative and without any complexities. But as he got fitter...
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nolefam_2024 said:
Sinner had the most dominating masters win in last 10 years. I don't think he would allow Raz to do much in Miami. And if we remember, between Cincy and Miami, he only reached 1 final that was in IW where Sinner fizzled out. Miami in fact Dimitrov beat Raz 2 and 4.
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I think Alcaraz was probably a bit complacent in the Dimitrov match. I do agree with you that Sinner would probably have won Miami anyway, but "probably" and "definitely" aren't synonyms!
 
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