Sinner and Medvedev: the question isn't IF, it is WHEN.

Who will have the upper hand in slams by 2025, Sinner or Medvedev?


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UnderratedSlam

Hall of Fame
The next duo that will split nearly all the slams between them are Sinner and Medvedev, the Tom-Sawyer-like German-Italian and the controversial Russian.

Unfortunately, there is a 5-year gap between them, so agists and nit-pickers will yet again bicker for years why the H2H doesn't allegedly count and fans will have silly peak/prime/shmeep theories that will be used as excuses for the defeats of one or the other. But I guess the Big 3 era got us used to that kind of nonsense already...

I've known that Sinner will reach the finale at the NextGen event just 10 minutes into his first match. He is that good. And he won it as the youngest player there. His form in Antwerp also made me convinced he is the next dominator. Or A dominator.

The only questions are when these two will start winning slams and who will win more.

In my not-so-humble opinion, this means that Zverev, Tsetse, Shapovalov and others have a very narrow window of time to sneak in a slam or two. I believe Sinner will be a top 5 player latest by 2021/22, and Medvedevious is already there. And considering the Big 3 are still dominant, I feel pity for Zverev, Tsetse and all the others because most likely they will be the Ferrers, Tsongas and Berdychs of the next era.
 

TripleATeam

Legend
I'm betting Medvedev's game continues to improve. Sinner is a wild card, but he's got plenty of potential. I'm still taking the safe bet. Medvedev is a top 5 player, great on HC, and he's still not over the hump. By 2025, maybe he'll start playing worse, but by then I think his lead over Sinner will keep him ahead.
 

UnderratedSlam

Hall of Fame
@UnderratedSlam, do you remember Hyeon Chung? You know, the guy who won NextGen Finals 2 years ago?

How many Slemz for him by 2025?
Your argument would be valid if I ever hyped Chung or Tsetsefly.

I never did.

Also, some junior slam winners achieve nothing, some win real slams. If you are going to denigrate NextGen Masters just because Chung won it, then junior slams mean zero too. All of them.

Sinner has a crushing game and he's only 18, and is already schooling 20 year-olds. Whoever follows tennis for decades must recognize the huge talent he has. Chung clearly doesn't have it, Tsetse to an extent.

D Minor was dominant in his group yet Sinner crushed him. Youngest player in field.
 
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Sinner can serve 130, can return serve with interest right to your feet like Nole, took the ball early, was consistently aggressive and confident putting away short balls with the forehand. Came forward a few times this tournament, is constantly improving in this area. Is improving his court craft. Really going to be good on fast surfaces I think. Most impressive thing was very clutch mentality.

Not convinced by his defense/lateral mobility yet for the big leagues yet. Let’s see when we get to to the slow HC/clay season.

ADM may be a particularly good matchup for his game, given that he struggled against Humbert. I like that Sinner played his best match in the biggest moment though. Bodes well for the future
 

UnderratedSlam

Hall of Fame
Sinner can serve 130, can return serve with interest right to your feet like Nole, took the ball early, was consistently aggressive and confident putting away short balls with the forehand. Came forward a few times this tournament, is constantly improving in this area. Is improving his court craft. Really going to be good on fast surfaces I think. Most impressive thing was very clutch mentality.

Not convinced by his defense/lateral mobility yet for the big leagues yet. Let’s see when we get to to the slow HC/clay season.

ADM may be a particularly good matchup for his game, given that he struggled against Humbert. I like that Sinner played his best match in the biggest moment though. Bodes well for the future
This is key.
 

Third Serve

Hall of Fame
Too early to jump on the hype train for Sinner just yet. Kid has just turned 18; let’s not hype him up to Slam wins just yet. He does have PLENTY of potential, however. The big question right now is how much of it he will unlock.
 

tennisaddict

Bionic Poster
Sinner looks very promising. Nice attacking play. Kind of like teen Djokovic.

Would be nice to see a first strike tennis match between Fed and Sinner next year.
 
Look at sinner's shots. Do they look like shots of a grand slam winner? no. He isnt gonna win slams, maybe one only, for the same reason Felix is never going to win one - mediocre technique
 

Backspin1183

G.O.A.T.
Sinner, really? He played against kids of his own age group. He is still to be tested against the men of the ATP. Has he even won a tour title yet?
 

FedMex

Rookie
it's all about wingspan in tennis today and this kid has that and the whole package. tennis is going to be interesting post fedal and the storylines and talent have come together in the last 18 months. wonder why the lost generation didn't live up. dmitrov having an almost late run a la wawrinka and mardy fish.
 

Sudacafan

G.O.A.T.
The next duo that will split nearly all the slams between them are Sinner and Medvedev, the Tom-Sawyer-like German-Italian and the controversial Russian.

Unfortunately, there is a 5-year gap between them, so agists and nit-pickers will yet again bicker for years why the H2H doesn't allegedly count and fans will have silly peak/prime/shmeep theories that will be used as excuses for the defeats of one or the other. But I guess the Big 3 era got us used to that kind of nonsense already...

I've known that Sinner will reach the finale at the NextGen event just 10 minutes into his first match. He is that good. And he won it as the youngest player there. His form in Antwerp also made me convinced he is the next dominator. Or A dominator.

The only questions are when these two will start winning slams and who will win more.

In my not-so-humble opinion, this means that Zverev, Tsetse, Shapovalov and others have a very narrow window of time to sneak in a slam or two. I believe Sinner will be a top 5 player latest by 2021/22, and Medvedevious is already there. And considering the Big 3 are still dominant, I feel pity for Zverev, Tsetse and all the others because most likely they will be the Ferrers, Tsongas and Berdychs of the next era.
I won’t bet until I see my hand.
 
Everyone's sleeping on Tsitsipas. Wouldn't shock me if he wins more Slams than Medvedev.
The problem I have with Tsitsipas, what is his weapon? He’s pretty good at everything except ROS. But he’s not truly elite in any one or multiple areas in the way that you’d expect from a multi slam winner. I think this is why he gets beaten by the Canadian kids so often tbh, they play with a lot of belief against him because they know him from junior and know they can overpower him
 

King No1e

Legend
The problem I have with Tsitsipas, what is his weapon? He’s pretty good at everything except ROS. But he’s not truly elite in any one or multiple areas in the way that you’d expect from a multi slam winner. I think this is why he gets beaten by the Canadian kids so often tbh, they play with a lot of belief against him because they know him from junior and know they can overpower him
Tsitsipas has a great serve and net game. Agreed it's not the Federer forehand or Djokovic backhand, but it's better than nothing. And it's not like Medvedev is known for his firepower either (other than his serve, but he doesn't win by servebotting). He plays the percentages really well. Tsitsipas could become a solid all-courter with a big serve due to the height advantage, but he still has to improve it if he wants to be the next world beater.
 

Tennisfan339

New User
Isn't it a little too soon to label Sinner as a future World #1 & GS winner?
Ok he is young, ok he is talented, ok he won the next gen trophy in Milan. Let's not be too presumptuous, though.

Med seems like a future #1 for sure, but I'm also waiting for confirmation in 2020. For now he hasn't beaten Federer or Nadal, and he has only beaten Djokovic while he was injured in Cincinnati and still on holydays in Monaco. He won 2 M1000 and made one GS final, in which he stuggled to win against players like Dellien, Knoepfer and Lopez.

I say let's wait and see. I'm not jumping to conclusion.
 

Backspin1183

G.O.A.T.
The problem I have with Tsitsipas, what is his weapon? He’s pretty good at everything except ROS. But he’s not truly elite in any one or multiple areas in the way that you’d expect from a multi slam winner. I think this is why he gets beaten by the Canadian kids so often tbh, they play with a lot of belief against him because they know him from junior and know they can overpower him
He has a beautiful one handed backhand.
 

yokied

Professional
You know when they say there's light at the end of the tunnel, can we get a reality check on how long this tunnel is? When was the last time a non-big3 member won a slam? Who was it again? Lew or Spencer somebody?

I'll go Med all day. The guy is a rock. Sinner is just a basher. Disrupt his rhythm with actual quality junk and he's got very little depth to his game or character. Bookmark it Sinners, saints and doubterers.
 

D.Nalby12

Legend
I agree with op here. The talent deficit in Tennis is finally over. This guy seems real deal to me. His backhand ia world class shot already. There are flashes of Nalby kind of BH magic. Today I can say one thing for sure - within 2-3 years to come his BH will regarded as one the best ever.


I have not watched much of him but it definitely seems he has more talent than Medvedev, also his strokes are technically sound compared to Med. If everything goes well for sinner, he will next dominant champ.
 

UnderratedSlam

Hall of Fame
I very distinctly remember a thread predicting how Medvedev will the USO.
Weren't you the OP?
And he very nearly won it...

So your point is... that I'm not Nostradamus?

If he had lost the finale 3-0 you'd have a case... It would mean I overestimated him. 3-2 and 5 hours play say I didn't.
 
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