Sinner could end 2024 with a higher single-season winning percentage than any season in Nadal's career.

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Sinner currently rides a season record of 65-6(91,5%), should he win Bercy and the ATP Finals undefeated, perhaps by adding a few victories in the Davis Cup finals he would close the season with a single season winning percentage higher than anything achieved by Nadal. In fact, the Majorcan has the best percentage in 2019, which ended with a record of 45-4 (91.8%), if we take into consideration the seasons with at least 70 games played, Nadal's best is 2013 with a record of 75-7 ( 91.4%). Well, to do better than 91.8%, Sinner "just needs" to win Bercy and the ATP Finals undefeated and with 75-6(92.6%) it would already be over 92% of victories, with the Davis Cup matches becoming extra bonuses, very difficult but not impossible. However, if he were to win all his matches including any 3 in the Davis Cup he would reach a percentage of 92.8%.
 
Aussie Darcy said:
Sounds like a lot of “if’s” lol…
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The 2024 Sinner on hard surfaces has no limits, in fact at the moment on the surface he rides a record of 45-3 with streaks on the surface of 16 and 15 consecutive wins respectively, both closed by Alcaraz. He has won 20 of the last 21 matches, and the only defeat came in the tiebreak of the third set when he was ahead 3-0 with double mini-break. And now the indoor season, his true reign, begins. So the ifs are all proportionate to his current excessive power.
 
Winning Paris and the ATP finals undefeated is a really tough mountain to climb. Even if Sinner is currently playing amazing, I don't see that happening.
Still, it pretty much doesn't matter how this season ends and it will be a really impressive one!
 
That is a still a (very) tall ask! The ATP finals in particular help great servers and this can make matches more toss-uppy.
 
Season win percentage may have been a significant stat in the before times. What matters now is who emerges champion among the Six Kings (i.e., Five Kings + Holger).
 
Next year he will have the most successful season of open era. I told you his peak is close to big 3 and now the result speaks volume.
 
Rovesciarete said:
That is a still a (very) tall ask! The ATP finals in particular help great servers and this can make matches more toss-uppy.
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I am convinced that at the ATP Finals we will see the best Sinner of his season, he is already riding a good moment of form but he can still improve his condition. He will simply be super motivated by the fact of playing at home trying to win not only his first ATP Finals but also his first ATP title played in Italy (since the next-gen ATPs do not count). If last year in Turin there was collective delirium due to his presence and fresh from the goals he has just achieved (titles in Beijing and Vienna, best ranking raised to number 4), well I can't imagine what the atmosphere will be for this 2024 edition with he is the protagonist of a space season. I think the public factor will have a further impact in his favor.
 
Winner Sinner said:
I am convinced that at the ATP Finals we will see the best Sinner of his season, he is already riding a good moment of form but he can still improve his condition. He will simply be super motivated by the fact of playing at home trying to win not only his first ATP Finals but also his first ATP title played in Italy (since the next-gen ATPs do not count). If last year in Turin there was collective delirium due to his presence and fresh from the goals he has just achieved (titles in Beijing and Vienna, best ranking raised to number 4), well I can't imagine what the atmosphere will be for this 2024 edition with he is the protagonist of a space season. I think the public factor will have a further impact in his favor.
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Great thread son, you're filling the void left by @dking son
 
NeutralFan said:
Next year he will have the most successful season of open era. I told you his peak is close to big 3 and now the result speaks volume.
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Most successful season of open era?

So he's going to win the CYGS in 2025? And over 10 titles?

Because Djokovic won 3 slams and 10 titles in 2011. 3 slams, 5 Masters, 1 500 and 1 250.

You declaring that?
 
Aussie Darcy said:
Most successful season of open era?

So he's going to win the CYGS in 2025? And over 10 titles?

Because Djokovic won 3 slams and 10 titles in 2011. 3 slams, 5 Masters, 1 500 and 1 250.

You declaring that?
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Djokovic_is_the_best#1 said:
How many slams you see sinner winning next year?
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I'd go with 1 but he could get the same 2 as this year. Sinner has shown he's not there at the French Open or Wimbledon so I just don't seem him winning either of those, especially while Alcaraz and others have fared far better at the tournaments than he has. Aus Open does look very promising for Jannik. US Open is always a wild one but we saw how easy the draw opened up this year for him, no reason it can't happen again next year!
 
Aussie Darcy said:
I'd go with 1 but he could get the same 2 as this year. Sinner has shown he's not there at the French Open or Wimbledon so I just don't seem him winning either of those, especially while Alcaraz and others have fared far better at the tournaments than he has. Aus Open does look very promising for Jannik. US Open is always a wild one but we saw how easy the draw opened up this year for him, no reason it can't happen again next year!
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Has Sinner demonstrated that he isn't there at RG?

Lol

He reached the semifinal without adequate preparation for the event, taking Alcaraz to the fifth set and ending that match with more points than the Spaniard. If he isn't ready to compete with the Spaniard on clay I can't imagine the others.
 
Winner Sinner said:
The 2024 Sinner on hard surfaces has no limits, in fact at the moment on the surface he rides a record of 45-3 with streaks on the surface of 16 and 15 consecutive wins respectively, both closed by Alcaraz. He has won 20 of the last 21 matches, and the only defeat came in the tiebreak of the third set when he was ahead 3-0 with double mini-break. And now the indoor season, his true reign, begins. So the ifs are all proportionate to his current excessive power.
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0-3 this year bro. 0-2 on Hard courts.
 
Winner Sinner said:
Has Sinner demonstrated that he isn't there at RG?

Lol

He reached the semifinal without adequate preparation for the event, taking Alcaraz to the fifth set and ending that match with more points than the Spaniard. If he isn't ready to compete with the Spaniard on clay I can't imagine the others.
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How many career titles does Sinner have on clay? And how many finals?
 
Aussie Darcy said:
How many career titles does Sinner have on clay? And how many finals?
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So what?

Before this 2024, how many slams had he won?

0

And this year 2.

Before this 2024 how many masters 1000 had he won?

1

And this year 3.

So?

Forget about the past and focus on the present, the last season on clay has unequivocally demonstrated that Sinner is already a top 2/3 on the surface, at RG he was the player who caused Alcaraz to suffer the most, in Monte Carlo without a sensational refereeing oversight in the semi-final match against Tsitsipas he would most likely have won the match and then the tournament. In Madrid he had to withdraw before the QF due to a hip problem when the remaining opponents were all within reach. 11-2 record in the season on clay and among those two only defeats there is precisely the match of the sensational refereeing oversight which prevented him from going ahead by two breaks in the decisive third set and the Paris semi-final lost in the fifth with Alcaraz in a match which, as I already told you, Sinner ended by scoring more points than the Spaniard, a sign of great balance. All without an adequate approach.

Analyze all these things without blinders.
 
Winner Sinner said:
Sinner currently rides a season record of 65-6(91,5%), should he win Bercy and the ATP Finals undefeated, perhaps by adding a few victories in the Davis Cup finals he would close the season with a single season winning percentage higher than anything achieved by Nadal. In fact, the Majorcan has the best percentage in 2019, which ended with a record of 45-4 (91.8%), if we take into consideration the seasons with at least 70 games played, Nadal's best is 2013 with a record of 75-7 ( 91.4%). Well, to do better than 91.8%, Sinner "just needs" to win Bercy and the ATP Finals undefeated and with 75-6(92.6%) it would already be over 92% of victories, with the Davis Cup matches becoming extra bonuses, very difficult but not impossible. However, if he were to win all his matches including any 3 in the Davis Cup he would reach a percentage of 92.8%.
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First to say that it was season 2018, not season 2019.

Secondly, that season data show Nadal in his nutshell, winning 24 times on clay and only 21 times off clay. Winning 4 of 5 titles on clay. Skipping whole post USO season, just to be ready to win another FO next year. If we know that two of those four loses were against two years slamless Novak (I know, I know, under the roof, lol), and against Delpo when he retired, again just before confronting Novak at USO (yeah Nadal play Novak only when he is in superb form)...

So yes, Claydal struck again with great 91.8% season, lol...
 
Winner Sinner said:
So what?

Before this 2024, how many slams had he won?

0

And this year 2.

Before this 2024 how many masters 1000 had he won?

1

And this year 3.

So?

Forget about the past and focus on the present, the last season on clay has unequivocally demonstrated that Sinner is already a top 2/3 on the surface, at RG he was the player who caused Alcaraz to suffer the most, in Monte Carlo without a sensational refereeing oversight in the semi-final match against Tsitsipas he would most likely have won the match and then the tournament. In Madrid he had to withdraw before the QF due to a hip problem when the remaining opponents were all within reach. 11-2 record in the season on clay and among those two only defeats there is precisely the match of the sensational refereeing oversight which prevented him from going ahead by two breaks in the decisive third set and the Paris semi-final lost in the fifth with Alcaraz in a match which, as I already told you, Sinner ended by scoring more points than the Spaniard, a sign of great balance. All without an adequate approach.

Analyze all these things without blinders.
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Next time, just answer the simple question asked :)

It was 1 by the way. Just 1 tiny clay 250 final in his entire career. How you can declare that top 2/3 on clay when he has just one 250 on clay is laughable.

Honest answers help instead of ranting.
 
Aussie Darcy said:
Next time, just answer the simple question asked :)

It was 1 by the way. Just 1 tiny clay 250 final in his entire career. How you can declare that top 2/3 on clay when he has just one 250 on clay is laughable.

Honest answers help instead of ranting.
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Because it's a question that doesn't make the slightest analytical sense.
It would be as if someone on the eve of Roland Garros 2024 gave Nadal the favorite for the tournament by motivating with a rhetorical question of "How many Roland Garros has Nadal won?".

Focused on the present and not on the past, the Sinner 2024 is different stuff compared to its versions of previous years. I have listed the data and history of Clay in this 2024, analyze those and then contest them if necessary. Instead of asking how many titles and how many finals Sinner has played on clay, tell me the names of the players you currently consider of clay superior to Sinner except Alcaraz, I want to laugh out loud.
 
junior74 said:
Never said he should try to be anything.

He is just incredibly anonymous for a champion in traits, gestures and overall personality. Very bland.
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How I feel as well.

He hits a very clean, powerful ball but has limited variety and has no personality.

Shows no joy even in winning a tournament. As others have said he prob feels guilty deep down from using the PEDs.
 
Winner Sinner said:
Because it's a question that doesn't make the slightest analytical sense.
It would be as if someone on the eve of Roland Garros 2024 gave Nadal the favorite for the tournament by motivating with a rhetorical question of "How many Roland Garros has Nadal won?".

Focused on the present and not on the past, the Sinner 2024 is different stuff compared to its versions of previous years. I have listed the data and history of Clay in this 2024, analyze those and then contest them if necessary. Instead of asking how many titles and how many finals Sinner has played on clay, tell me the names of the players you currently consider of clay superior to Sinner except Alcaraz, I want to laugh out loud.
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But the Sinner of 2024 didn’t win a single clay title or make a single clay final. He lost to Alcaraz and then you made a pathetic excuses for another loss.

I stand by what I said. He’s not winning the French Open next year. You can quote me or i can quote you next year when we see what happens if you like.

Now will you answer me. How many finals and titles does Sinner have on clay? :) Versus how many Alcaraz has and what level they were? ;) despite him being 2 years younger.
 
Did Sinner have to compete with prime Federer, prime Djokovic, prime Murray, prime Delpo, prime Wawrinka, should I go on....?

Stop comparing this era to the golden era, it isn't even remotely close in level, numbers are hollow without context, but I guess you need something called objectivity to even understand that.
 
ElChivoEspañol said:
Did Sinner have to compete with prime Federer, prime Djokovic, prime Murray, prime Delpo, prime Wawrinka, should I go on....?

Stop comparing this era to the golden era, it isn't even remotely close in level, numbers are hollow without context, but I guess you need something called objectivity to even understand that.
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Neither did our dear Rafa in 2010.
 
Shaolin said:
How I feel as well.

He hits a very clean, powerful ball but has limited variety and has no personality.

Shows no joy even in winning a tournament. As others have said he prob feels guilty deep down from using the PEDs.
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Clearly affected by all the stuff surrounding it. But he wasn’t exactly jolly prior to the case, so he probably is flat and controlled type.
 
Aussie Darcy said:
But the Sinner of 2024 didn’t win a single clay title or make a single clay final. He lost to Alcaraz and then you made a pathetic excuses for another loss.

I stand by what I said. He’s not winning the French Open next year. You can quote me or i can quote you next year when we see what happens if you like.

Now will you answer me. How many finals and titles does Sinner have on clay? :) Versus how many Alcaraz has and what level they were? ;) despite him being 2 years younger.
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I understand that for you in the full success of the Italian it is not a good moment (and even harder times will come) and for this reason you try to cling to the past in the vain illusory hope that Sinner is not a credible competitor even on clay when this 2024 has I've already denied this fake thesis of yours about the non-competitive Sinner on clay.

No, I'm sorry, they are not excuses but facts, regardless of the fact that Sinner did not win any titles on clay in 2024, the history of his 2024 season shows that he is currently clearly a top 3 on the surface.

But you are evidently one of those who still thinks that Nadal is currently the strongest player on clay and Djokovic on hard by leveraging their CV because you don't know how to go beyond the numbers and you can't put anything into context.

Then if you want to give me the names of who you think is currently more competitive than Sinner on clay I would be grateful, or are you afraid of making yourself even more ridiculous with your analytical inability?
 
ElChivoEspañol said:
They are head and shoulders above anyone the sport has ever seen.

Until that changes they are the bar.
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Not really. 60s had 3 just like them.

70s to 2000s slams wasn't everything and racket changes made huge difference.

You can't be allowed to live in the past now. Big 3 were great but someone is allowed to peak greater. Especially of our dear Rafa who has lower peak than both nole and Roger.
 
Nadal wins a slam a year on his fav clay and we are talking "peaked higher" stuff.

Don't kid yourself. Legacies get built in 20 years but to dominate a year you need the succeed on every court.
 
Aussie Darcy said:
I'd go with 1 but he could get the same 2 as this year. Sinner has shown he's not there at the French Open or Wimbledon so I just don't seem him winning either of those, especially while Alcaraz and others have fared far better at the tournaments than he has. Aus Open does look very promising for Jannik. US Open is always a wild one but we saw how easy the draw opened up this year for him, no reason it can't happen again next year!
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Good prediction. I got either 1 or 2.
 
He's a long ways away from topping Nadal's year. But he should be able to put up a 70-win, .900 pct season. That's incredible, considering that Sampras and Agassi never once had a 70-win, .900 season.

Sampras' closest call was in 1994 when he put up a 77-12, .865 season. He would have needed add 31 straight wins to get to .900. That's not even close

Agassi's closest call was in 1995 when he put up a stellar 73-9, .890 season. He would have needed add 8 straight wins to get to .900. That's kind of close. Unfortunately for Agassi, he started using meth the following year, which destroyed his peak.
 
Djokovic_is_the_best#1 said:
How many slams you see sinner winning next year?
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1..Wimbledon.....
AO Alcaraz
FO Alcaraz
W Sinner
USO Shelton

Alcaraz is so complete he should for the next 4-5 years be winning 2 slams a year, i think he will get 3 more than once in a season and i think one day will do the calendar slam. Unless Sinner and maybe say Shelton or another youngster can regularly win slams Alcaraz will break the slam record in his early 30's, maybe sooner. I dont think enough emphasis has been made on Alcaraz 3-0 Sinner this year in sinner's best ever season where he is peaking. Alcaraz is still a pup and probably around 18 months from his peak and yet he has dominated the world no.1, destroyed Wimbledons joint 2nd best ever player at Wimbledon and won the channel slam, all before reaching his peak. Going off topic but i do wonder if Nadal's retirement in part was because of Alcaraz. While outwardly he will always support a fellow Spaniard, privately i would think the prospect of getting absolutely battered by this up and coming potential GOAT contender from his own country where he is King was very unappealing. If Djokovic retires end of 2025 my guess it would because of Alcaraz, not Sinner. I really like Sinner but to me he is beatable by the best if they play well even at his best. However with Alcaraz i do not think he is beatable at his best. He literally has every shot in the book at elite level, even the serve when it is on as occasionally it goes into Sampras mode with the spin and placement but alot harder. If as i expect that serve becomes more consistent then we could one day see an unbeaten season.
In the Alcaraz era, if Sinner hits 8 majors he will have done brilliantly.
 
Sinner should not waste his energy at Bercy and focus entirely on winning his first ATP Finals.
That should be his ultimate goal in his first big season of his career.
 
Sinner's steady progression by win rate;

2019
11-10= 52%

2020
19-11= 63%

2021
49-22= 69%

2022
47-16= 75%

2023
65-14= 81%

2024
65-6= 92%
 
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