Sinner could end 2024 with a higher single-season winning percentage than any season in Nadal's career.

Aussie Darcy said:
I'd go with 1 but he could get the same 2 as this year. Sinner has shown he's not there at the French Open or Wimbledon so I just don't seem him winning either of those, especially while Alcaraz and others have fared far better at the tournaments than he has. Aus Open does look very promising for Jannik. US Open is always a wild one but we saw how easy the draw opened up this year for him, no reason it can't happen again next year!
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Actually, there is one reason it may not happen next year... ;)
 
Winner Sinner said:
Sinner currently rides a season record of 65-6(91,5%), should he win Bercy and the ATP Finals undefeated, perhaps by adding a few victories in the Davis Cup finals he would close the season with a single season winning percentage higher than anything achieved by Nadal. In fact, the Majorcan has the best percentage in 2019, which ended with a record of 45-4 (91.8%), if we take into consideration the seasons with at least 70 games played, Nadal's best is 2013 with a record of 75-7 ( 91.4%). Well, to do better than 91.8%, Sinner "just needs" to win Bercy and the ATP Finals undefeated and with 75-6(92.6%) it would already be over 92% of victories, with the Davis Cup matches becoming extra bonuses, very difficult but not impossible. However, if he were to win all his matches including any 3 in the Davis Cup he would reach a percentage of 92.8%.
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Where did you get 45-4 for Nadal in 2019? He finished 58-7 for the year. 2013 was his best season in terms of win percentage
 
How vacant of meaning does one's life need to be to feel that a one percent, or thereabout, difference in winning percentage merits some mention??
 
Winner Sinner said:
Sinner currently rides a season record of 65-6(91,5%), should he win Bercy and the ATP Finals undefeated, perhaps by adding a few victories in the Davis Cup finals he would close the season with a single season winning percentage higher than anything achieved by Nadal. In fact, the Majorcan has the best percentage in 2019, which ended with a record of 45-4 (91.8%), if we take into consideration the seasons with at least 70 games played, Nadal's best is 2013 with a record of 75-7 ( 91.4%). Well, to do better than 91.8%, Sinner "just needs" to win Bercy and the ATP Finals undefeated and with 75-6(92.6%) it would already be over 92% of victories, with the Davis Cup matches becoming extra bonuses, very difficult but not impossible. However, if he were to win all his matches including any 3 in the Davis Cup he would reach a percentage of 92.8%.
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Yet still so far from Djokovic's 2015-2016 record of 16,970 points. Even if he wins (and it's a big IF) both Paris and WTF, he'll finish the season with 12,830. It will probably be the best season of Sinner's career yet he'd still be 4,100 behind Djokovic's best 12 months. He may be the best player in the world in 2024 but people saying he is an improved version of prime Djokovic have a short memory.
 
Shaolin said:
How I feel as well.

He hits a very clean, powerful ball but has limited variety and has no personality.

Shows no joy even in winning a tournament. As others have said he prob feels guilty deep down from using the PEDs.
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He's a juiced up Davydenko, and Davydenko was probably on the juice so much he lost his hair at birth lmao
 
Berrettini_Fan said:
But Nadal's season-high winning percentage was achieved without PEDs.
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It’s too bad that this tourney that is worth 6 million to the winner doesn’t count towards the W/L record. However, 6 million is a massive pay day. 3 matches, 6 million bucks. Wow man
 
I was right to create this thread.
Only a defeat in the next Davis Cup could prevent Sinner from finishing 2024 with a winning percentage higher than any of Nadal's seasons.
 
tennis_pro said:
NOBODY CARES

Nadal's competition was Federer, Djokovic, Murray, Del Potro, Wawrinka etc. Sinner's competition is Alcaraz who shows up 6 times in a season and Taylor Fritz

Who gives a F about Sinner's numbers? Truly. Only OP who is Italian. DUH.
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The usual blah blah blah stuff.

Who cares?

It should matter to all fans given that his 2024 is "only" a starting point towards even more dominant years.
This prodigy is only 23 years old and is continuing to progress step by step.

Having said that, it was unthinkable for someone to be able to roughly replicate some of the numbers from the best seasons of the big three up until a few years ago.
Sinner succeeded.

The heir to the big three didn't take long to arrive.
 
Winner Sinner said:
Who cares?
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You. Literally just you.
Winner Sinner said:
It should matter to all fans given that his 2024 is "only" a starting point towards even more dominant years.
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One snooze year against a snooze competition followed by more snooze years with snooze competition. Wow, can't wait.
Winner Sinner said:
This prodigy is only 23 years old and is continuing to progress step by step.

Having said that, it was unthinkable for someone to be able to roughly replicate some of the numbers from the best seasons of the big three up until a few years ago.
Sinner succeeded.

The heir to the big three didn't take long to arrive.
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Dude any ATG in their prime would do at least as good as Sinner in this era. Dafuq are you smoking? He's got the most pathetic era ever, he doesn't have the equivalent of even a Tsonga or Del Potro today let alone anyone of an Agassi or big 3 calibre. What he's doing is meaningless, it's like you were 13 years old and won tournaments beating a bunch of 4-year olds. The world couldn't care less what he's doing if he's just beating one Taylor Fritz after another.
 
tennis_pro said:
You. Literally just you.

One snooze year against a snooze competition followed by more snooze years with snooze competition. Wow, can't wait.

Dude any ATG in their prime would do at least as good as Sinner in this era. Dafuq are you smoking? He's got the most pathetic era ever, he doesn't have the equivalent of even a Tsonga or Del Potro today let alone anyone of an Agassi or big 3 calibre. What he's doing is meaningless, it's like you were 13 years old and won tournaments beating a bunch of 4-year olds. The world couldn't care less what he's doing if he's just beating one Taylor Fritz after another.
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LOL...think then of the even weaker era in which Federer prime raged.
You're delirious as usual.
You elect yourself as the voice of the people when your thought that the issue only interests me belongs only to you.
It's not that if you scream louder your opinion takes on more value.
Sinner is the player of the moment who is dominating the circuit as has rarely been seen in the past outside of the big three, if this doesn't suit you you are always free to look for other passions outside of tennis, given that very complicated years lie ahead for you below this point of view.
 
Winner Sinner said:
LOL...think then of the even weaker era in which Federer prime raged.
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Federer's 2006 is stronger than 2024 by having prime Nadal on clay alone. 2004, 2005, 2007 LOL good one.
Winner Sinner said:
You elect yourself as the voice of the people when your thought that the issue only interests me belongs only to you.
It's not that if you scream louder your opinion takes on more value.
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Funny how my posts usually have way more likes than yours.
Winner Sinner said:
Sinner is the player of the moment who is dominating the circuit as has rarely been seen in the past outside of the big three, if this doesn't suit you you are always free to look for other passions outside of tennis, given that very complicated years lie ahead for you below this point of view.
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Again, WHO CARES. From a fan's POV Sinner is the worst thing to happen to tennis in the worst era ever.

I never liked Nadal, but at least he brought in masses to tennis by his shotmaking and emotions on his sleeve. Sinner is just allround MEH, boring game, boring personality, no freaking charisma, no emotions, looks like a carrot, plays like one too, nothing interesting is going on in his life and he's getting his titles by beating mugs like Fritz or de Minaur since Djokovic has done nothing this year other than the Olympics (which weirdly enough Sinner didn't play) and Alcaraz is whooping his *** but is just incosistent. ATP has never had such a hard time promoting anyone as the face of tennis has never been so absolutely lifeless. It's no coincidence that Alcaraz is the poster boy for the AO.

I don't understand the hype at all. AT ALL. It's just Berdych 2.0 whooping on waiters. Sinner had zero remarkable wins this year. ZERO. Djokovic hasn't been the same since winning the WTF in 2023 and he's 0-3 against Alcaraz including 0-2 on his beloved HC. It's just weak sauce - I know it, you know it and you're only defending him cause you're also Italian (if the dude's even Italian). Stop this instanity and posting stupid threads drooling over this doper robot cause it's cringe AF.
 
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tennis_pro said:
Federer's 2006 is stronger than 2024 by having prime Nadal on clay alone. 2004, 2005, 2007 LOL good one.

Funny how my posts usually have way more likes than yours.

Again, WHO CARES. From a fan's POV Sinner is the worst thing to happen to tennis in the worst era ever.

I never liked Nadal, but at least he brought in masses to tennis by his shotmaking and emotions on his sleeve. Sinner is just allround MEH, boring game, boring personality, no freaking charisma, no emotions, looks like a carrot, plays like one too, nothing interesting is going on in his life and he's getting his titles by beating mugs like Fritz or de Minaur since Djokovic has done nothing this year other than the Olympics (which weirdly enough Sinner didn't play) and Alcaraz is whooping his *** but is just incosistent. ATP has never had such a hard time promoting anyone as the face of tennis has never been so absolutely lifeless. It's no coincidence that Alcaraz is the poster boy for the AO.

I don't understand the hype at all. AT ALL. It's just Berdych 2.0 whooping on waiters. Sinner had zero remarkable wins this year. ZERO. Djokovic hasn't been the same since winning the WTF in 2023 and he's 0-3 against Alcaraz including 0-2 on his beloved HC. It's just weak sauce - I know it, you know it and you're only defending him cause you're also Italian (if the dude's even Italian). Stop this instanity and posting stupid threads drooling over this doper robot cause it's cringe AF.
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LOL...now you're attacking the number of likes to substantiate your usual delusional theses.

On the subject he era weak in Federer's time, you always mention Nadal who was in fact the only credible opponent he had in the middle of cosmic nowhere.
I repeat for the umpteenth time that Federer took slaps from Nadal, Sinner is 4-6 down in the h2h with Alcaraz but has never been dominated on any surface.
And since you like so much to rely on the consensus of others, this thing that Federer in his prime played in the weakest era of modern tennis is shared by the vast majority of experts and enthusiasts, but then again, just look at the names of his opponents in that specific period, people who make the status of the current Medvedev or Zverev, or the 2024 version Djokovic, seem like a formidable opposition.

As for the rest, I repeat that what you say, including calling him doped, in addition to showing the usual resentment, is worth less than zero.
Last year Sinner was elected by fans all over the world as their favorite player, but surely your useless save that no one cares about is certainly worth more than the general consensus, double LOL

The reality is that these will be hard times for you where on the subject you will have to limit yourself to the usual climbing on mirrors venting your frustrations towards his successes, so prepare a good supply of Maalox that you will need it against heartburn.

73-6, the chatter is at zero.
 
tennis_pro said:
Federer's 2006 is stronger than 2024 by having prime Nadal on clay alone. 2004, 2005, 2007 LOL good one.

Funny how my posts usually have way more likes than yours.

Again, WHO CARES. From a fan's POV Sinner is the worst thing to happen to tennis in the worst era ever.

I never liked Nadal, but at least he brought in masses to tennis by his shotmaking and emotions on his sleeve. Sinner is just allround MEH, boring game, boring personality, no freaking charisma, no emotions, looks like a carrot, plays like one too, nothing interesting is going on in his life and he's getting his titles by beating mugs like Fritz or de Minaur since Djokovic has done nothing this year other than the Olympics (which weirdly enough Sinner didn't play) and Alcaraz is whooping his *** but is just incosistent. ATP has never had such a hard time promoting anyone as the face of tennis has never been so absolutely lifeless. It's no coincidence that Alcaraz is the poster boy for the AO.

I don't understand the hype at all. AT ALL. It's just Berdych 2.0 whooping on waiters. Sinner had zero remarkable wins this year. ZERO. Djokovic hasn't been the same since winning the WTF in 2023 and he's 0-3 against Alcaraz including 0-2 on his beloved HC. It's just weak sauce - I know it, you know it and you're only defending him cause you're also Italian (if the dude's even Italian). Stop this instanity and posting stupid threads drooling over this doper robot cause it's cringe AF.
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2006 had a on fire Davydenko who was only slightly worse than AO 2012 Murray.
 
RS said:
2006 had a on fire Davydenko who was only slightly worse than AO 2012 Murray.
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Slightly worse?

Murray was on the verge of beating peak Djokovic in a bruising 5 set war, and Djokovic is the GOAT of AO.
 
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Winner Sinner said:
The usual blah blah blah stuff.

Who cares?

It should matter to all fans given that his 2024 is "only" a starting point towards even more dominant years.
This prodigy is only 23 years old and is continuing to progress step by step.

Having said that, it was unthinkable for someone to be able to roughly replicate some of the numbers from the best seasons of the big three up until a few years ago.
Sinner succeeded.

The heir to the big three didn't take long to arrive.
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Sinner is a doper
 
weakera said:
Sinner is a doper
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Independent courts and the Wada body itself have expressed their opinion on the issue, denying this thesis, given that everyone agrees on accidental contamination.

So you continue to ignore everything by labeling him as a drug addict, by doing so you are only demonstrating bad faith in judgment due to the fact that you no longer know what to hold on to on the competitive side.
 
Bartelby said:
Given that he should have been banned for most of 2024, this performance is worthy of Lazarus.
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I'm surprised that someone like you who is apparently very knowledgeable on the issue disputes this.
He did not benefit from any facilitation to continue playing, given that once informed of the positive results with consequent automatic disqualification, everyone is allowed to present an emergency appeal against the disqualification, only that not everyone is able to present convincing defenses on the alleged contamination .
 
Winner Sinner said:
LOL...now you're attacking the number of likes to substantiate your usual delusional theses.

On the subject he era weak in Federer's time, you always mention Nadal who was in fact the only credible opponent he had in the middle of cosmic nowhere.
I repeat for the umpteenth time that Federer took slaps from Nadal, Sinner is 4-6 down in the h2h with Alcaraz but has never been dominated on any surface.
And since you like so much to rely on the consensus of others, this thing that Federer in his prime played in the weakest era of modern tennis is shared by the vast majority of experts and enthusiasts, but then again, just look at the names of his opponents in that specific period, people who make the status of the current Medvedev or Zverev, or the 2024 version Djokovic, seem like a formidable opposition.

As for the rest, I repeat that what you say, including calling him doped, in addition to showing the usual resentment, is worth less than zero.
Last year Sinner was elected by fans all over the world as their favorite player, but surely your useless save that no one cares about is certainly worth more than the general consensus, double LOL

The reality is that these will be hard times for you where on the subject you will have to limit yourself to the usual climbing on mirrors venting your frustrations towards his successes, so prepare a good supply of Maalox that you will need it against heartburn.

73-6, the chatter is at zero.
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Keep yapping and promoting the unpromotable. Going up the ranks in becoming the biggest shiller and laughing stock of TTW.

Sinner is a joke, he should be suspended now. One of the biggest cover-up stories in all sports in recent times. Anyone else would be sitting would be playing video games in their house instead of playing matches. Effing joke.
 
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Winner Sinner said:
Independent courts and the Wada body itself have expressed their opinion on the issue, denying this thesis, given that everyone agrees on accidental contamination.

So you continue to ignore everything by labeling him as a drug addict, by doing so you are only demonstrating bad faith in judgment due to the fact that you no longer know what to hold on to on the competitive side.
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The guy should be punished. Accidental ingestion of doping substances is also punishable. Otherwise, all tennis players would consume minimal doses of doping and refer to accidental ingestion when they are discovered.
How would Sinner be an exception? If he is released without consequences, the future of doping in tennis will be extremely dark.
 
tennis_pro said:
Keep yapping and promoting the unpromotable. Going up the ranks in becoming the biggest shiller and laughing stock of TTW.

Sinner is a joke, he should be suspended now. One of the biggest cover-up story in all sports in recent times. Effing joke.
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Well in that case I would take your place, but I think it would be a difficult task to oust you from that throne.

And now you can go back to taking your usual Maalox tablet, before your stomach literally catches fire.
 
Winner Sinner said:
Independent courts and the Wada body itself have expressed their opinion on the issue, denying this thesis, given that everyone agrees on accidental contamination.

So you continue to ignore everything by labeling him as a drug addict, by doing so you are only demonstrating bad faith in judgment due to the fact that you no longer know what to hold on to on the competitive side.
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Sorry, kid. Your hero is a doper, regardless of whether the governing bodies of tennis are corrupt enough to run cover for him. I believe in consistency and due process, neither of which have been applied to Jannik the Doper.
 
weakera said:
Sorry, kid. Your hero is a doper, regardless of whether the governing bodies of tennis are corrupt enough to run cover for him. I believe in consistency and due process, neither of which have been applied to Jannik the Doper.
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Sorry kid, Sinner's reign has just begun and will rage for the next 10 years.
I repeat, chatter is zero.
 
Winner Sinner said:
Sorry kid, Sinner's reign has just begun and will rage for the next 10 years.
I repeat, chatter is zero.
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The difference is, I don't care. You don't need to apologize for Sinner's successes because it truly means nothing to me. I'm not an Alcaraz fan and I have nothing against Jannik, I just have enough of a brain to recognize that he is a doper (intentional or not) who should be suspended and whose 2024 results are tainted.

Given that you are deeply invested in Jannik you should prepare for a lifetime of defending his positive doping tests.
 
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weakera said:
The difference is, I don't care. You don't need to apologize for Sinner's successes because it truly means nothing to me. I'm not an Alcaraz fan and I have nothing against Jannik, I just have enough of a brain to recognize that he is a doper (intentional or not) who should be suspended and whose 2024 results are tainted.

Given that you are deeply invested in Jannik you should prepare for a lifetime of depending his positive doping tests.
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No, I'm preparing to enjoy seeing all this climbing on mirrors.
Fronte Sinner is the thing that gives me the greatest satisfaction, that is to see that the only pretext you have left to denigrate its successes is to make the usual reference of positivities due to accidental contamination passing it off as conscious doping.
It's something that gives me pleasure, when in the meantime he's reaping successes everywhere, to see some of his haters compete to see who gets the most attention
 
Winner Sinner said:
No, I'm preparing to enjoy seeing all this climbing on mirrors.
Fronte Sinner is the thing that gives me the greatest satisfaction, that is to see that the only pretext you have left to denigrate its successes is to make the usual reference of positivities due to accidental contamination passing it off as conscious doping.
It's something that gives me pleasure, when in the meantime he's reaping successes everywhere, to see some of his haters compete to see who gets the most attention
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It sounds like you’re relishing the drama of watching people criticize Jannik, but calling them "haters" is just a way to avoid addressing the real points of criticism. Rather than actually engaging with any valid concerns, it's easier to dismiss everything as mindless negativity. It’s a classic tactic—if you can’t defend the success, just label anyone questioning it as a "hater." That way, you never have to confront the possibility that there might be legitimate reasons behind the criticism.

I don't care enough about Jannik to be considered a hater of his. I don't even watch his tennis matches. I have no dog in this fight.
 
Didn’t he also end up with a higher HC match winning % for 2024 than any Djokovic season ever?

Hyperinflation era goes brrrr
 
Looking in at the big picture I find it quite logically that Nadal would never reached the record percentages of his two big rivals or Sinner. He clearly traded off some success on grass and hardcourt to dominate on clay, the distant second most-played surface. Even a player with less margin over the competition on hardcourt than Rafa enjoyed on clay can come out ahead over the whole year.

Many opportunity costs are large for elite athletes.
 
weakera said:
It sounds like you’re relishing the drama of watching people criticize Jannik, but calling them "haters" is just a way to avoid addressing the real points of criticism. Rather than actually engaging with any valid concerns, it's easier to dismiss everything as mindless negativity. It’s a classic tactic—if you can’t defend the success, just label anyone questioning it as a "hater." That way, you never have to confront the possibility that there might be legitimate reasons behind the criticism.

I don't care enough about Jannik to be considered a hater of his. I don't even watch his tennis matches. I have no dog in this fight.
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I repeat, I abide by the judgment of an independent tribunal and consequently also by the Wada ruling itself, both of which have averted the hypothesis of voluntary consumption of illicit substances.
The one who uses conspiracy as an end in itself (alluding to possible cover-ups) is not me but it is you.
Then whether you are a Sinner hater or someone to whom the Italian tennis player is totally indifferent, is irrelevant to the question.
Your conspiracy/denier modus operandi alone qualifies your judgment.
 
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