Sinner could join Federer as the only players ever..

Sinner could join Federer as the only players in the open era who have won a set in every single match they have played during a particular season.

Sinner has won a set in every match he has played since losing last year to Djokovic at the Tour Finals. He’s also won 16 sets in a row

Federer won a set in every match in 2005 And 3/4 of the way through 2006 before losing in straight sets to Andy Murray in Cincinnati.

Borg was not defeated in straight sets in 1979, but he did retire in a match without winning it.

McEnroe went the entire season in 1984 without losing a magistrate set until the Davis cup match at the very end of the season.

I posted this thread about the record of matches played in a row without losing in straight sets.


Roger Federer: 194 matches
2004-2006
Streak ended by Andy Murray in TMS Cincinnati 2006-- last ss loss before that was to Guga at 2004 RG

Bjorn Borg: 160 matches
1979-1980
Streak ended by Gene Mayer in the Masters in 1981 (there was a match in which he was ahead 4-1 and retired so technically wasn’t defeated in straight sets)

John McEnroe: 109 matches
1983-1984 (Henrik Sundstrom in Davis Cup finals)

Nastase: 107 matches
1973 (Okker, London)

Lendl: 103 matches
1988-1989 (Stefan Edberg at the Masters)

Ivan Lendl: 101 matches
1981-1982 (Vilas in Monte Carlo)

Connors: 96* matches
1976-77 (Barrazutti at Richmond WCT)
(One match ended at 6-6 vs. Gottfired in LA with Connors being defaulted

Novak Djokoivc: 79* matches
2011
Murray led 6-4, 3-0 in Cincy when Djoko retired (streak was at 63) and Delpo led 7-6, 3-0 in Davis cup when Djoko retired. Ferrer was the first to complete a straight sets at the Tour Finals

Sinner: 77 matches
2023-2024 (Djokovic, Tour Finals)

Connors: 73 matches
1974-1975 (Tanner, Nottingham)

Connors: 69 matches
1980-1981 (Higueras, North Conway)

Ivan Lendl: 67 matches
1982 (Wilander, Barcelona)

Alcaraz: 66 matches
2021-2022 (Goffin, Astana)

Connors: 66 matches
1974 (Gispert, Toronto)

Agassi: 65 matches
1994-1995 (Pete, IW)

Novak Djokoivc: 62 matches
2013-2014 (Federer, MC)

Federer: 59 matches
2011-2012 (Djokovic, Rome)

Federer: 56 matches
2017-2018 (Djokoivc, Cincinnati)

Federer: 53 matches
2009-2010 (Davydenko, Doha)

Federer: 51 matches
2016-2017 (Zverev, Canada)

Nastase: 51 matches
1972 (Hewitt, Bournemouth)

Federer: 49 matches
2007 (Nalbandian, Paris)

Murray, 49 matches
2016 (Cilic, Cincy)

Federer: 44 matches
2008-2009 (Wawrinka, Monte Carlo)

Hewitt: 44 matches
2001-2002 (Federer, Miami)

Edberg: 43 matches
1991-1992 (Siemerink,Rotterdam)

Nadal: 42 matches
2009 (Federer, Madrid)

Federer: 41 matches
2014 (Tsonga, Canada )

Federer: 41 matches
2006-2007 (Canas, IW)

Agassi: 41 matches
1995-1996 (Chang, AO)

Sampras: 41 matches
1995 (Essen, Muster)

Wilander: 41 matches
1984-1985 (McEnroe, Masters)

Nadal: 41 matches
2006 (JCF, Cincy)

Sinner might have the highest floor since Federer.

 
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Sinner could join Federer as the only players in the open era who have won a set in every single match they have played during a particular season.

Sinner has won a set in every match he has played since losing last year to Djokovic at the Tour Finals. He’s also won 16 sets in a row

Federer won a set in every match in 2005 And 3/4 of the way through 2006 before losing in straight sets to Andy Murray in Cincinnati.

Sinner might have the highest floor since Federer.


Great work! Both have actually quite a surprisingly similar profile, with Sinner winning actually more serve and less return points than Federer at the same age! Not something you would expect at first glance but whole tour has become better at winning points when serving. We had less of an elite competition back then...


FEDERER Tour-Level Seasons Top

Mouse over column headers (on all tables) for stat definitions. Click on years for results from that season.
Year​
Win%​
Set%​
Game%​
Hld%​
Brk%​
A%​
DF%​
1stIn​
1st%​
2nd%​
SPW​
RPW​
TPW​
DR​
Best​
2004
92.6%​
84.4%​
61.8%​
91.6%​
30.5%​
10.1%​
2.8%​
61.6%​
78.2%​
57.6%​
70.3%​
41.5%​
55.5%​
1.40​
W (11x)
2003
82.8%​
77.0%​
59.2%​
87.1%​
30.2%​
10.3%​
3.9%​
59.5%​
76.8%​
56.1%​
68.4%​
41.8%​
54.6%​
1.32​
W (7x)
2002
72.6%​
69.3%​
56.4%​
86.0%​
24.9%​
9.0%​
3.5%​
59.9%​
75.8%​
53.5%​
66.9%​
38.7%​
52.6%​
1.17​
W (3x)
2001
70.0%​
62.8%​
53.6%​
83.4%​
23.3%​
9.1%​
3.5%​
59.6%​
74.4%​
52.6%​
65.6%​
38.5%​
51.9%​
1.12​
W (Milan)
2000
54.5%​
53.8%​
51.0%​
82.1%​
19.3%​
8.3%​
4.2%​
58.5%​
72.2%​
52.4%​
64.0%​
36.2%​
50.4%​
1.01​
F (2x)
Career
81.9%​
75.8%​
58.2%​
88.8%​
26.6%​
10.0%​
2.4%​
62.1%​
77.3%​
56.8%​
69.5%​
39.7%​
54.1%​
1.30

SINNER Tour-Level Seasons Top

Mouse over column headers (on all tables) for stat definitions. Click on years for results from that season.
Year​
Win%​
Set%​
Game%​
Hld%​
Brk%​
A%​
DF%​
1stIn​
1st%​
2nd%​
SPW​
RPW​
TPW​
DR​
Best​
2024
92.0%​
83.0%​
60.2%​
91.3%​
27.9%​
9.5%​
2.5%​
61.4%​
79.3%​
57.8%​
71.0%​
40.8%​
55.1%​
1.41​
W (7x)
2023
78.6%​
72.7%​
58.2%​
87.3%​
28.6%​
8.2%​
2.4%​
59.8%​
76.0%​
56.1%​
68.0%​
40.6%​
53.9%​
1.27​
W (4x)
2022
73.4%​
68.6%​
55.4%​
83.4%​
26.5%​
7.6%​
3.4%​
58.4%​
74.5%​
53.4%​
65.7%​
39.9%​
52.6%​
1.16​
W (Umag)
2021
69.4%​
63.6%​
54.1%​
81.0%​
27.0%​
5.9%​
2.5%​
59.9%​
71.1%​
54.4%​
64.4%​
39.9%​
52.0%​
1.12​
W (4x)
2020
64.5%​
63.6%​
54.8%​
80.3%​
28.3%​
4.2%​
2.8%​
61.3%​
71.2%​
50.0%​
63.0%​
40.8%​
51.9%​
1.10​
W (Sofia)
Career
75.6%​
70.0%​
56.4%​
85.0%​
27.4%​
7.4%​
2.7%​
60.0%​
74.6%​
54.8%​
66.7%​
40.2%​
53.1%​
1.21​
 
Sinner's escalation from 2019 to 2024 is very similar to what Federer had between 1999 and 2004.
Now let's see if, after his first season at the top, making a gap on his rivals in the rankings, he will be able to dominate the circuit as Federer did between 2005 and 2007.

At the moment Sinner does not exude the same strength that Federer had on grass, but he could make up for it on clay where Alcaraz, although fearsome, cannot close the door like Nadal 2005-2008.
Sinner has a much better chance of defeating Alcaraz at Roland Garros than Federer had before beating Nadal in the same tournament.
 
Clearly the highest level we see match in match out for entire year since the reign of Federer.

For the glorious year Djokovic had in 2011, he started laying eggs after USO.
Dude, Djokovic kept the crazy level up in 2015 from start to finish, it is considered the best year since Laver by many. Three slams, six masters, WTF - No one has won that much, but you already know this. A thread about Sinner and Federer, but you still cannot stop thinking about Djokovic.
 
Great work! Both have actually quite a surprisingly similar profile, with Sinner winning actually more serve and less return points than Federer at the same age! Not something you would expect at first glance but whole tour has become better at winning points when serving. We had less of an elite competition back then...


FEDERER Tour-Level Seasons Top

Mouse over column headers (on all tables) for stat definitions. Click on years for results from that season.
Year​
Win%​
Set%​
Game%​
Hld%​
Brk%​
A%​
DF%​
1stIn​
1st%​
2nd%​
SPW​
RPW​
TPW​
DR​
Best​
2004
92.6%​
84.4%​
61.8%​
91.6%​
30.5%​
10.1%​
2.8%​
61.6%​
78.2%​
57.6%​
70.3%​
41.5%​
55.5%​
1.40​
W (11x)
2003
82.8%​
77.0%​
59.2%​
87.1%​
30.2%​
10.3%​
3.9%​
59.5%​
76.8%​
56.1%​
68.4%​
41.8%​
54.6%​
1.32​
W (7x)
2002
72.6%​
69.3%​
56.4%​
86.0%​
24.9%​
9.0%​
3.5%​
59.9%​
75.8%​
53.5%​
66.9%​
38.7%​
52.6%​
1.17​
W (3x)
2001
70.0%​
62.8%​
53.6%​
83.4%​
23.3%​
9.1%​
3.5%​
59.6%​
74.4%​
52.6%​
65.6%​
38.5%​
51.9%​
1.12​
W (Milan)
2000
54.5%​
53.8%​
51.0%​
82.1%​
19.3%​
8.3%​
4.2%​
58.5%​
72.2%​
52.4%​
64.0%​
36.2%​
50.4%​
1.01​
F (2x)
Career
81.9%​
75.8%​
58.2%​
88.8%​
26.6%​
10.0%​
2.4%​
62.1%​
77.3%​
56.8%​
69.5%​
39.7%​
54.1%​
1.30​

SINNER Tour-Level Seasons Top

Mouse over column headers (on all tables) for stat definitions. Click on years for results from that season.
Year​
Win%​
Set%​
Game%​
Hld%​
Brk%​
A%​
DF%​
1stIn​
1st%​
2nd%​
SPW​
RPW​
TPW​
DR​
Best​
2024
92.0%​
83.0%​
60.2%​
91.3%​
27.9%​
9.5%​
2.5%​
61.4%​
79.3%​
57.8%​
71.0%​
40.8%​
55.1%​
1.41​
W (7x)
2023
78.6%​
72.7%​
58.2%​
87.3%​
28.6%​
8.2%​
2.4%​
59.8%​
76.0%​
56.1%​
68.0%​
40.6%​
53.9%​
1.27​
W (4x)
2022
73.4%​
68.6%​
55.4%​
83.4%​
26.5%​
7.6%​
3.4%​
58.4%​
74.5%​
53.4%​
65.7%​
39.9%​
52.6%​
1.16​
W (Umag)
2021
69.4%​
63.6%​
54.1%​
81.0%​
27.0%​
5.9%​
2.5%​
59.9%​
71.1%​
54.4%​
64.4%​
39.9%​
52.0%​
1.12​
W (4x)
2020
64.5%​
63.6%​
54.8%​
80.3%​
28.3%​
4.2%​
2.8%​
61.3%​
71.2%​
50.0%​
63.0%​
40.8%​
51.9%​
1.10​
W (Sofia)
Career
75.6%​
70.0%​
56.4%​
85.0%​
27.4%​
7.4%​
2.7%​
60.0%​
74.6%​
54.8%​
66.7%​
40.2%​
53.1%​
1.21​


Serve and especially +1 importance is increasing every year it seems. Do not let anything go to neutral.
 
Dude, Djokovic kept the crazy level up in 2015 from start to finish, it is considered the best year since Laver by many. Three slams, six masters, WTF - No one has won that much, but you already know this. A thread about Sinner and Federer, but you still cannot stop thinking about Djokovic.

I am sorry, did he win a set in every match he played ??
 
I am sorry, did he win a set in every match he played ??

So that's the definition now, win if you can, lose if you must, but make sure you win a set? That is greatness now, not actually winning matches and big titles in the season, OK. :-)

If you were paying real attention, you will know Djokovic lost to Murray in Cincinnati in the final in straights anyway in 2011.
 
That is true. Watch him improve his slicing in real time amongst other things.

He's a phenomenal talent, closer to Alcaraz in terms of raw talent than we'dike to think.
The grass courts will be the intriguing factor to me. If he can improve there while already being a good grass player then he has this tour on lock down.

But doing it for 5 plus years is even a hard ask. Big3 did it for almost 2 decades lol
 
So that's the definition now, win if you can, lose if you must, but make sure you win a set? That is greatness now, not actually winning matches and big titles in the season, OK. :)

If you were paying real attention, you will know Djokovic lost to Murray in Cincinnati in the final in straights anyway in 2011.

LOL. I think you get triggered for nothing . What exactly is this thread about ? Read again
 
So that's the definition now, win if you can, lose if you must, but make sure you win a set? That is greatness now, not actually winning matches and big titles in the season, OK. :)

If you were paying real attention, you will know Djokovic lost to Murray in Cincinnati in the final in straights anyway in 2011.
This Stat just proves that there was no one else dominant on tour. That and he is in every match he plays and always has a good chance. Never bringing is c game.
 
LOL. I think you get triggered for nothing . What exactly is this thread about ? Read again
No, I'm pointing out that you simply cannot help but bring Djokovic into everything to take any dig at him with anything you can get. We both know this.

Thread is about Sinner and Federer, focus on celebrating what they achieved, instead of talking about the guy on your mind in virtually every single post, surely even you must be tired of it.
 
Clearly the highest level we see match in match out for entire year since the reign of Federer.

For the glorious year Djokovic had in 2011, he started laying eggs after USO.
Slam results of W, W, SF, W are greater than Slam results of W, SF, QF, W. Not to mention Djokovic won the 1st five Masters events he played in 2011, while Sinner right now has 3. Then there's the 43 match win streak, winning a big title on every surface (Sinner has no big titles on clay or grass), and his 21-3 record against the top 10 while Sinner is 15-5. Not only was Djokovic's year superior, but he did it over a higher tier of top opposition in Nadal and Federer. Higher level than 2011 Djokovic, no chance.
 
This Stat just proves that there was no one else dominant on tour. That and he is in every match he plays and always has a good chance. Never bringing is c game.
I wouldn't use the word dominant, because unless you are winning the match in the end, it is not dominance, you were still beaten. But IMO the correct word is being Competitive match in match out, which in itself is a very admirable thing.
 
Slam results of W, W, SF, W are greater than Slam results of W, SF, QF, W. Not to mention Djokovic won the 1st five Masters events he played in 2011, while Sinner right now has 3. Then there's the 43 match win streak and his 21-3 record against the top 10 while Sinner is 15-5. Not only was Djokovic's year superior, but he did it over a higher tier of top opposition in Nadal and Federer. Higher level than 2011 Djokovic, no chance.
None of that counts now, you just need to win a set per match it seems. :whistle:
 
Let's not derail a good thread by responding to 2 Djokovic haters.
The issue is, you get a few other Fed fans, then saying that Djokovic fans are creating so much toxicity on these boards, but take a look at all the jabs, and unprovoked shots, and bringing Djokovic into threads that are not about him, to take sly digs. You cannot even read threads now without someone complaining yet again that Djokovic took the slam record. Thread is about Sinner and Federer's achievement, but lets derail it with more Djokovic talk.
 
Slam results of W, W, SF, W are greater than Slam results of W, SF, QF, W. Not to mention Djokovic won the 1st five Masters events he played in 2011, while Sinner right now has 3. Then there's the 43 match win streak, winning a big title on every surface (Sinner has no big titles on clay or grass), and his 21-3 record against the top 10 while Sinner is 15-5. Not only was Djokovic's year superior, but he did it over a higher tier of top opposition in Nadal and Federer. Higher level than 2011 Djokovic, no chance.

Yea it's Djokovic by quite a margin. Fact that Sinner didn't do anything of note on clay nor grass makes it a no contest. But still Sinners year and his consistency has been incredible, but not quite close to Djoko level domination.
 
Pretty abitrary anyway tbh. What does this matter if he's 0-3 against Alcaraz when Djokovic was 10-1 against Fedal?
It is just that. I mean some Federer fans like to talk about how he went 92-5 in 2006 and how dominant he was, do people need a history lesson, that even in that year of his that is so strong for him, after RG 2006, many didn't even think he was the best player that season? Nadal and Federer both had one slam each, and two masters each, and Nadal was 4-0 against Federer. This is all the way up to June. I just don't get why the constant complaining about Djokovic, slam race is over, let it go and move on, so much more happening.
 
Yea it's Djokovic by quite a margin. Fact that Sinner didn't do anything of note on clay nor grass makes it a no contest. But still Sinners year and his consistency has been incredible, but not quite close to Djoko level domination.

Sinner is an awesome player, sad how he is now being weaponized to attack Djokovic.

I called his success back in Beijing 2023, most know this here, the so called supporters of him now discarded it, now jumping on, because he is winning big and beat Djokovic a few times this year....typical.
 
Yea it's Djokovic by quite a margin. Fact that Sinner didn't do anything of note on clay nor grass makes it a no contest. But still Sinners year and his consistency has been incredible, but not quite close to Djoko level domination.
Yes great year for Sinner but like you said not on the level of the very best years in the sport we've seen. For a 2 Slam season though, it's great.
It is just that. I mean some Federer fans like to talk about how he went 92-5 in 2006 and how dominant he was, do people need a history lesson, that even in that year of his that is so strong for him, after RG 2006, many didn't even think he was the best player that season? Nadal and Federer both had one slam each, and two masters each, and Nadal was 4-0 against Federer. This is all the way up to June. I just don't get why the constant complaining about Djokovic, slam race is over, let it go and move on, so much more happening.
I don't get it either and Djokovic has the greatest numbers across the board, and they speak for themselves. Sinner is nowhere near him, yet. Just enjoy Sinner instead of trying to have a go at Djokovic, and failing at it.
 
The Mount Everest of tennis—the mightiest peak on Earth:

Nole held all 4 Slams (plus the YEC, 5 Masters titles and 3 finals) with 16,950 points (through 16 top5 wins and 31 top10 wins).

Now try to find out other mounts?

Federer won a set in every match in 2005 And 3/4 of the way through 2006 before losing in straight sets to Andy Murray in Cincinnati.

2005 is such an unique year in an unique ERA, like Rafa won 5 big titles while facing top5 only a whopping 3 times, 1-2 record. lol :cool:
 
Yes great year for Sinner but like you said not on the level of the very best years in the sport we've seen. For a 2 Slam season though, it's great.

I don't get it either and Djokovic has the greatest numbers across the board, and they speak for themselves. Sinner is nowhere near him, yet. Just enjoy Sinner instead of trying to have a go at Djokovic, and failing at it.
24 slams, 40 masters, 7 YEC, 428 weeks at number one, 8 YE1 are not enough to show dominance, you just need to make sure you win a set each match, doesn't matter if you lose. LOL
 
24 slams, 40 masters, 7 YEC, 428 weeks at number one, 8 YE1 are not enough to show dominance, you just need to make sure you win a set each match, doesn't matter if you lose. LOL
Lol, not to mention his 2011 and 2015 years of supreme dominance. Is Sinner's year even superior than Djokovic's 2023, his 3rd best year, when he was 36?
 
No, I'm pointing out that you simply cannot help but bring Djokovic into everything to take any dig at him with anything you can get. We both know this.

Thread is about Sinner and Federer, focus on celebrating what they achieved, instead of talking about the guy on your mind in virtually every single post, surely even you must be tired of it.

There are some Jock sniffers here for whom everything in life should be where Djokovic triumphs .

Is there anything factually incorrect in what has been stated ? Fact is Sinner and Federer accomplished something that Djokovic could not . And 2011 was a glorious year with the start Djokovic had and I mentioned that as a compliment and it was unfortunate he could not carry it through the year.
 
Lol, not to mention his 2011 and 2015 years of supreme dominance. Is Sinner's year even superior than Djokovic's 2023, his 3rd best year, when he was 36?
That is legit question, as Djokovic played all slam finals, and also won the YEC, which Sinner has yet to do.
 
There are some Jock sniffers here for whom everything in life should be where Djokovic triumphs .

Is there anything factually incorrect in what has been stated ? Fact is Sinner and Federer accomplished something that Djokovic could not . And 2011 was a glorious year with the start Djokovic had and I mentioned that as a compliment and it was unfortunate he could not carry it through the year.

Dude, the thread title already stated that Sinner joins this exclusive club with Federer.

You just had to get in the Djokvoic jab, the thread is already making it clear who is in and who is out of that group. It's not about you being incorrect, it is about you and your constant obsession with all things Djokovic, and hoping for anything to try to bring him down. If Federer is your GOAT, you shouldn't be so obsessed with taking jabs at Djokovic, you do it, because deep down you know he has what you wanted for Federer.
 
Dude, the thread title already stated that Sinner joins this exclusive club with Federer.

You just had to get in the Djokvoic jab, the thread is already making it clear who is in and who is out of that group. It's not about you being incorrect, it is about you and your constant obsession with all things Djokovic, and hoping for anything to try to bring him down. If Federer is your GOAT, you shouldn't be so obsessed with taking jabs at Djokovic, you do it, because deep down you know he has what you wanted for Federer.

You didn't have to reply but here you are. Keep proving my point
 
That is legit question, as Djokovic played all slam finals, and also won the YEC, which Sinner has yet to do.
And won RG when Sinner lost in the SF to Alcaraz, who Djokovic beat. Djokovic was 16-5 against the top 10 last year and Sinner is 15-5, so he's at least comparable there but again that's his 36 year old version.
 
You didn't have to reply but here you are. Keep proving my point
I'm going to reply when I want, majority of the time I will ignore it, but this thread was about Sinner and Federer, instead of focusing on them and what they did, I see more crying and complaining about Djokovic. I will continue to prove your point, take that win.
 
I'm going to reply when I want, majority of the time I will ignore it, but this thread was about Sinner and Federer, instead of focusing on them and what they did, I see more crying and complaining about Djokovic. I will continue to prove your point, take that win.

At this point the Fedfans are making the jokes/digs at Fed preemptively, because we know they are coming.
 
And won RG when Sinner lost in the QF to Alcaraz, who Djokovic beat. Djokovic was 16-5 against the top 10 last year and Sinner is 15-5, so he's at least comparable there but again that's his 36 year old version.

I just see Sinner on his own path, and rightfully so. To me, right now, he is the best player in the world and full deserved. Djokovic is in another class, because Sinner will need to do this for for many many years to be sitting at that table.
 
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