Sinner has another impressive streak that's still alive; beating the players that he's supposed to beat.

[Pheasant]

With Sinner's win today, he's extended his winning streak vs players ranked outside the top-20 to 50. This span goes back over a year now. Note: Nobody on this list is at .900 or above in this metric during the last year, except Sinner.

Here are the ATP top-10's record vs non-top 20 players since the 2023 US Open:

ATP TOP 10 VS NON-TOP 20 PLAYERS SINCE 2023 US OPEN:
No. 1 Jannik Sinner: 50-0
No. 2 Alexander Zverev: 56-7
No. 3 Carlos Alcaraz: 38-6
No. 4 Novak Djokovic: 33-4
No. 5 Daniil Medvedev: 40-5
No. 6 Andrey Rublev: 45-16
No. 7 Taylor Fritz: 39-12
No. 8 Hubert Hurkacz: 51-10
No. 9 Casper Ruud: 46-16
No. 10 Grigor Dimitrov: 41-6

 

[Lleytonstation]

Rare these days. One of the reasons the big 4 became a thing. Andy was the only one outside the big 3 that could do that consistently. 21 of 36 slams he reached the final 4 during a 5 year stretch.

The top guys do not do that anymore.

 

[Hitman]

With Sinner's win today, he's extended his winning streak vs players ranked outside the top-20 to 50. This span goes back over a year now. Note: Nobody on this list is at .900 or above in this metric during the last year, except Sinner.

Here are the ATP top-10's record vs non-top 20 players since the 2023 US Open:

ATP TOP 10 VS NON-TOP 20 PLAYERS SINCE 2023 US OPEN:
No. 1 Jannik Sinner: 50-0
No. 2 Alexander Zverev: 56-7
No. 3 Carlos Alcaraz: 38-6
No. 4 Novak Djokovic: 33-4
No. 5 Daniil Medvedev: 40-5
No. 6 Andrey Rublev: 45-16
No. 7 Taylor Fritz: 39-12
No. 8 Hubert Hurkacz: 51-10
No. 9 Casper Ruud: 46-16
No. 10 Grigor Dimitrov: 41-6

SMH at RuRu here.

 

[Bride of Alcaraz]

Yep, while he's 0-2 vs. King Carlos this year, Indian Wells and Roland Garros.
Sinner the most unimpressive #1 ever to walk the earth!

Rare these days. One of the reasons the big 4 became a thing. Andy was the only one outside the big 3 that could do that consistently. 21 of 36 slams he reached the final 4 during a 5 year stretch.

The top guys do not do that anymore.

And Andy Murray's slam H2H vs. Nadal, Djokovic, Federer:
5 Wins
20 Losses
Including 0-3 vs. Nadal at Wimbledon, and won only ONE set!

 

[Neptune]

as Top10​	vs Top20​	T20 Weight​	vs T21+​	T21+ Weight​	overall​
Nole​	510 (382-128) 74.90%​	42.57%​	688 (641-47) 93.17%​	57.43%​	1198 (1023-175) 85.39%​
Fed​	480 (350-130) 72.92%​	37.15%​	812 (751-61) 92.49%​	62.85%​	1292 (1101-191) 85.22%​
Rafa​	443 (320-123) 72.23%​	37.77%​	730 (668-62) 91.51%​	62.23%​	1173 (988-185) 84.23%​
Murray​	249 (165-84) 66.27%​	38.66%​	395 (353-42) 89.37%​	61.34%​	644 (518-126) 80.43%​
Pete​	291 (199-92) 68.38%​	35.19%​	536 (465-71) 86.75%​	64.81%​	827 (664-163) 80.29%​
Agassi​	244 (148-96) 60.66%​	29.61%​	580 (488-92) 84.14%​	70.39%​	824 (636-188) 77.18%​
Sinner​	47 (35-12) 74.47%​	33.33%​	94 (86-8) 91.49%​	66.67%​	141 (121-20) 85.82%​
Alcaraz​	69 (48-21) 69.57%​	39.20%​	107 (97-10) 90.65%​	60.80%​	176 (145-31) 82.39%​

Against non-top20, Nole had a 99-1 (51+48 by Karlovic) and a 89-1 (50+39 by Nishikori).

 

[nolefam_2024]

Sinner is in his best form right now. I hope his appeal is not overturned. We need to see more of this stuff.

 

[NeutralFan]

Rare these days. One of the reasons the big 4 became a thing. Andy was the only one outside the big 3 that could do that consistently. 21 of 36 slams he reached the final 4 during a 5 year stretch.

The top guys do not do that anymore.

This, that's the mark for greatness, you beat lesser player than you

 

[Galvermegs]

Sinner is in his best form right now. I hope his appeal is not overturned. We need to see more of this stuff.

So long as he starts coming up with some exciting roars, vocal exaltatations and good soundbites. Still the most dully stoic no1 since sampras (and even he showed more emotion)

 

[travlerajm]

So long as he starts coming up with some exciting roars, vocal exaltatations and good soundbites. Still the most dully stoic no1 since sampras (and even he showed more emotion)

He really needs to stop fist pumping.

 

[Rovesciarete]

With Sinner's win today, he's extended his winning streak vs players ranked outside the top-20 to 50. This span goes back over a year now. Note: Nobody on this list is at .900 or above in this metric during the last year, except Sinner.

Here are the ATP top-10's record vs non-top 20 players since the 2023 US Open:

ATP TOP 10 VS NON-TOP 20 PLAYERS SINCE 2023 US OPEN:
No. 1 Jannik Sinner: 50-0
No. 2 Alexander Zverev: 56-7
No. 3 Carlos Alcaraz: 38-6
No. 4 Novak Djokovic: 33-4
No. 5 Daniil Medvedev: 40-5
No. 6 Andrey Rublev: 45-16
No. 7 Taylor Fritz: 39-12
No. 8 Hubert Hurkacz: 51-10
No. 9 Casper Ruud: 46-16
No. 10 Grigor Dimitrov: 41-6

Well spotted, his two defeats against non-top10 player must be Shelton in Shanghai and Tsitispas in Monte Carlo with that (in)famous referee call.

 

[Galvermegs]

He really needs to stop fist pumping.

Like the kandyman failed to do.

 

[rigged]

Yep, while he's 0-2 vs. King Carlos this year, Indian Wells and Roland Garros.
Sinner the most unimpressive #1 ever to walk the earth!

Clostebol is really effective. Not only it made Medvedev to stay 100ft behind the baseline in the QF, but it also made Alcaraz get eliminated in a lot of HC tournaments before even meeting Sinner.

 

[Subway Tennis]

Sinner is in his best form right now. I hope his appeal is not overturned. We need to see more of this stuff.

Agree

 

[Sudacafan]

Rare these days. One of the reasons the big 4 became a thing. Andy was the only one outside the big 3 that could do that consistently. 21 of 36 slams he reached the final 4 during a 5 year stretch.

The top guys do not do that anymore.

We should try to avoid the erroneous and unfounded concept of Big Four when analyzing tennis performances.
I thought this is a generally accepted position after the publication of the thread Why Murray failed to become an ATG.

 

[Lleytonstation]

We should try to avoid the erroneous and unfounded concept of Big Four when analyzing tennis performances.
I thought this is a generally accepted position after the publication of the thread Why Murray failed to become an ATG.

Unfortunately the tide was shifting before the thread got banned. Debate is still on.

 

[Sudacafan]

Unfortunately the tide was shifting before the thread got banned. Debate is still on.

Yes, the debate is still on, but the final conclusion is very clear.

 

[Lleytonstation]

Yes, the debate is still on, but the final conclusion is very clear.

That he clearly is.

 

[Sudacafan]

That he clearly is.

That statement is as serious as the ones you find in the Srsh thread.

 

[Lleytonstation]

That statement is as serious as the ones you find in the Srsh thread.

If Carlos is an ATG right now, then surely Murray is as well.

 

[Aabye5]

That's a great stat. Will his form hold in Shanghai?

Edit: really demonstrates his elite level at the moment.

 

[Pheasant]

That's a great stat. Will his form hold in Shanghai?

Edit: really demonstrates his elite level at the moment.

This WADA appeal has caused him several sleepless nights. At some point, the sleep deprivation is going to cause a bad performance and maybe even a few racket smashes.

My guess is that this streak will come to an end very shortly. I highly doubt that it reaches 60 straight, due to all of the stress and lack of sleep for Sinner.

The longest streak that I could find was when Federer put up 75 straight from 2005-2006. Perhaps the stat gurus can figure out this record.

The link below is Fed's streak of 75 straight:

Tennis Abstract: Roger Federer Match Results, Splits, and Analysis

 

[nolefam_2024]

Djokovic has never reached 50 himself. He reached 49 between 2013 to 2015.

 

[Aabye5]

This WADA appeal has caused him several sleepless nights. At some point, the sleep deprivation is going to cause a bad performance and maybe even a few racket smashes.

My guess is that this streak will come to an end very shortly. I highly doubt that it reaches 60 straight, due to all of the stress and lack of sleep for Sinner.

The longest streak that I could find was when Federer put up 75 straight from 2005-2006. Perhaps the stat gurus can figure out this record.

The link below is Fed's streak of 75 straight:

Tennis Abstract: Roger Federer Match Results, Splits, and Analysis

Or...he could just have a bad day. These things do happen.

 

[Pheasant]

Lendl, another guy known for having multiple 70+ win seasons at .900+, reached 62 straight wins vs players ranked 21+.

Tennis Abstract: Ivan Lendl Match Results, Splits, and Analysis

Bottom line: Sinner's 50 straight(and counting) is historically an incredible run.

 

[AO13]

Impressive, it truly is. But here another streak to think about before tomorrow's final between Jannik Sinner and Carlos Alcaraz:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1841051702943764749

 

[nolefam_2024]

Impressive, it truly is. But here another streak to think about before tomorrow's final between Jannik Sinner and Carlos Alcaraz:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1841051702943764749

Won't matter

The thread is about beating players who are lesser than him. Sinner is 51-0

Carlos got boticed out of US Open

 

[SonnyT]

Bottom line: Sinner's 50 straight(and counting) is historically an incredible run.

If he didn't use artificial enhancement, only he and his team absolutely knew the truth!

 

[Goat Shank]

It's the Nadal talk track/situation all over again basically. If I'm not mistaken, Rafa had a head-to-head record of 3-1 over Novak in the year 2012. Does any one actually think he was the better player that year? He won less titles, performed worse across the slams, etc., basically performed worse in the very same metrics that Carlos is trailing Jannik in this year. And just like Carlos, the fact that he would bomb out of tournaments and rarely meet Fed and Novak when they were in their hottest form was often excused because, like Carlos, when he was in form he would go far in tournaments, and when he wasn't he wouldn't and that characteristic of his actually helped preserve him from the accumulation of mental scar tissue. You didn't see him sort of muster himself into the final weekend of big tournaments even when in indifferent or downright bad form (like Novak did at the 2016 US Open for one). Is it any surprise that Nadal's most sustained run of consistency (the consecutive slam finals from '11 into '12) also landed him in the toughest mental quandary he had to experience in his career? Whether he's in form or not, current Jannik is going to get to the later stages of tournaments and sometimes just get dispatched by a formidable opponent who played better on the day. But someone real is always going to have to stop him. Current Carlos doesn't always need to be stopped by someone real, sometimes he just flames out for no reason whatsoever regardless of who he's facing.

 

[Aabye5]

It's the Nadal talk track/situation all over again basically. If I'm not mistaken, Rafa had a head-to-head record of 3-1 over Novak in the year 2012. Does any one actually think he was the better player that year? He won less titles, performed worse across the slams, etc., basically performed worse in the very same metrics that Carlos is trailing Jannik in this year. And just like Carlos, the fact that he would bomb out of tournaments and rarely meet Fed and Novak when they were in their hottest form was often excused because, like Carlos, when he was in form he would go far in tournaments, and when he wasn't he wouldn't and that characteristic of his actually helped preserve him from the accumulation of mental scar tissue. You didn't see him sort of muster himself into the final weekend of big tournaments even when in indifferent or downright bad form (like Novak did at the 2016 US Open for one). Is it any surprise that Nadal's most sustained run of consistency (the consecutive slam finals from '11 into '12) also landed him in the toughest mental quandary he had to experience in his career? Whether he's in form or not, current Jannik is going to get to the later stages of tournaments and sometimes just get dispatched by a formidable opponent who played better on the day. But someone real is always going to have to stop him. Current Carlos doesn't always need to be stopped by someone real, sometimes he just flames out for no reason whatsoever regardless of who he's facing.

Did Jannik have a better year? For sure.

But they both have two majors this year, so it's been an important year for both.

 

[SonnyT]

Did Jannik have a better year? For sure.

But they both have two majors this year, so it's been an important year for both.

There's still a question mark hanging over Jannik! There will always be a question mark over him, unless he's banned!

 

[Goat Shank]

Did Jannik have a better year? For sure.

But they both have two majors this year, so it's been an important year for both.

I wholeheartedly agree with this. But it doesn't blunt the thrust of my argument, which was directed towards some placing an inordinate emphasis on the yearly head-to-head in the face of a whole body of other assembled counter-statistics of more weight. Another example, which I think is much closer to call in a way, would have been 2017. I'm 99% sure that if Fed gets past Delpo he hands Rafa a loss at the Open. But he didn't, nor did he play the clay season at all, and thus he did not end the year #1 even though he played splendidly at various points throughout it and would have been a richly deserved Year-End #1 (as Rafa was also).

 

[Aabye5]

I wholeheartedly agree with this. But it doesn't blunt the thrust of my argument, which was directed towards some placing an inordinate emphasis on the yearly head-to-head in the face of a whole body of other assembled counter-statistics of more weight. Another example, which I think is much closer to call in a way, would have been 2017. I'm 99% sure that if Fed gets past Delpo he hands Rafa a loss at the Open. But he didn't, nor did he play the clay season at all, and thus he did not end the year #1 even though he played splendidly at various points throughout it and would have been a richly deserved Year-End #1 (as Rafa was also).

I'm not convinced he hands Rafa a loss, but we'll never know. Of course h2h requires context, but it is still an important stat.

In this case, Sinner is dominating the Tour...but he's not dominating Alcaraz. And that presents a noteworthy dynamic.

 

[nolefam_2024]

I wholeheartedly agree with this. But it doesn't blunt the thrust of my argument, which was directed towards some placing an inordinate emphasis on the yearly head-to-head in the face of a whole body of other assembled counter-statistics of more weight. Another example, which I think is much closer to call in a way, would have been 2017. I'm 99% sure that if Fed gets past Delpo he hands Rafa a loss at the Open. But he didn't, nor did he play the clay season at all, and thus he did not end the year #1 even though he played splendidly at various points throughout it and would have been a richly deserved Year-End #1 (as Rafa was also).

Only problem is Rafa is total slow court player SLOWEST the better. Rafa's H2H don't mean a thing if he is not meeting them on his worst/their best surfaces.

Carlos is more slow + medium court player. His only problem seem to be fastest courts.

 

[AO13]

Won't matter

The thread is about beating players who are lesser than him. Sinner is 51-0

Carlos got boticed out of US Open

It mattered.

 

[nolefam_2024]

It mattered.

It didn't. What a stupid response.

This thread is different.

 

[AO13]

It didn't. What a stupid response.

This thread is different.

I find your lack of reasoning disturbing.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Sinner pushed the streak to 54.

 

[helterskelter]

Rare these days. One of the reasons the big 4 became a thing. Andy was the only one outside the big 3 that could do that consistently. 21 of 36 slams he reached the final 4 during a 5 year stretch.

The top guys do not do that anymore.

David Ferrer.

 

[nolefam_2024]

as Top10​	vs Top20​	T20 Weight​	vs T21+​	T21+ Weight​	overall​
Nole​	510 (382-128) 74.90%​	42.57%​	688 (641-47) 93.17%​	57.43%​	1198 (1023-175) 85.39%​
Fed​	480 (350-130) 72.92%​	37.15%​	812 (751-61) 92.49%​	62.85%​	1292 (1101-191) 85.22%​
Rafa​	443 (320-123) 72.23%​	37.77%​	730 (668-62) 91.51%​	62.23%​	1173 (988-185) 84.23%​
Murray​	249 (165-84) 66.27%​	38.66%​	395 (353-42) 89.37%​	61.34%​	644 (518-126) 80.43%​
Pete​	291 (199-92) 68.38%​	35.19%​	536 (465-71) 86.75%​	64.81%​	827 (664-163) 80.29%​
Agassi​	244 (148-96) 60.66%​	29.61%​	580 (488-92) 84.14%​	70.39%​	824 (636-188) 77.18%​
Sinner​	47 (35-12) 74.47%​	33.33%​	94 (86-8) 91.49%​	66.67%​	141 (121-20) 85.82%​
Alcaraz​	69 (48-21) 69.57%​	39.20%​	107 (97-10) 90.65%​	60.80%​	176 (145-31) 82.39%​

Against non-top20, Nole had a 99-1 (51+48 by Karlovic) and a 89-1 (50+39 by Nishikori).

Fed and Nole in their prime run were almost unbeatable by players outside of top 20.


Of course that's not true of Nadal. And it should be said.

 

[Lleytonstation]

David Ferrer.

Yeah but he could never actually finish the job.

 

[helterskelter]

Yeah but he could never actually finish the job.

True, but he did consistently beat lower-ranked players, which is the subject of this thread.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Where has this streak reached now ?

It's at 59 now. Lowest ranked player to beat him during this time is ranked 12 Tsitispas in NC and that too was with huge asterisk.

 

[Pheasant]

Where has this streak reached now ?

It's at 59 now. Lowest ranked player to beat him during this time is ranked 12 Tsitispas in NC and that too was with huge asterisk.

He's 3 away from matching Lendl's streak of 62 and 16 away matching Federer's streak of 75 straight.

This dude keeps on making his mark in the game.

 

[ghostofMecir]

There‘s four streaks going on right now other than the obvious win steak of 21 straight wins

• 21 straight wins
• 89 straight matches played while winning at least a set, i.e., not losing in straight sets, the eighth longest in the modern era.

Spoiler

Roger Federer: 194 matches
2004-2006
Streak ended by Andy Murray in TMS Cincinnati 2006-- last ss loss before that was to Guga at 2004 RG

Bjorn Borg: 160 matches
1979-1980
Streak ended by Gene Mayer in the Masters in 1981 (there was a match in which he was ahead 4-1 and retired so technically wasn’t defeated in straight sets)

John McEnroe: 109 matches
1983-1984 (Henrik Sundstrom, Davis Cup finals)

Nastase: 107 matches
1973 (Okker, London)

Lendl: 103 matches
1988-1989 (Stefan Edberg, Masters)

Ivan Lendl: 101 matches
1981-1982 (Vilas, Monte Carlo)

Connors: 96* matches
1976-77 (Barrazutt, Richmond WCT)
(One match ended at 6-6 vs. Gottfired in LA with Connors being defaulted

*Sinner: 89 matches
2023-2025 (Djokovic, Tour Finals, Australian Open)

• 21 match wins in a row in hardcourt slams (Federer at 35)
• 62 straight match wins vs. players outside of the top 20
• 89 straight matches played with a dominance ratio of at least .82, i.e., not being beaten badly due to his enormously high floor game. I don’t know the record, but it’s likely Federer at a mind boggling 248 straight, from Oct. 2003 loss to Henman to April 2007 loss to Nadal at MC.

 

[mehdimike]

Fed and Nole in their prime run were almost unbeatable by players outside of top 20.


Of course that's not true of Nadal. And it should be said.

Nadal from 2019-2021 had a similar record I guess.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Nadal from 2019-2021 had a similar record I guess.

Nadal 2019 is very underrated. But we can't use 2020 for this type of record. He skipped both Cincy and USO and most of the calendar was cancelled including Wimbledon where he has had many bad losses.

 

[Pheasant]

Sinner is now at 61 straight vs players ranked 21+. He’s 1 away from
Matching Lendl’s 62 straight. Federer is still a bit away at 75 straight, which I believe is the record.

 

[Moose Malloy]

Sinner has claimed 24 straight sets against Top 10 players, passing Bjorn Borg’s mark of 23 in 1978. The Italian is now chasing John McEnroe, who won 28 consecutive sets against the elite group during the 1984 season.

Incredible stats about Jannik Sinner's jaw-dropping win against Casper Ruud | ATP Tour | Tennis

Jannik Sinner’s performance against Casper Ruud in the Internazionali BNL d’Italia quarter-finals will not soon be forgotten. Sinner has now won 11 consecutive matches against Top 10 opponents without losing a set.

www.atptour.com

 

[Rovesciarete]

Impressive stuff, the @Pheasant was quick on that beat.

 

[ghostofMecir]

• 92 straight matches without losing in straight sets
• 61 straight matches won vs. players outside the top 20
• 24 straight sets won vs. top 10 players
• 25 straight wins