Sinner - how good is he actually?

Impetus

Impetus

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We all know he didn’t win anything major yet, but he has the overall statistics on his side. If we only look at numbers he should have a major breakthrough very soon.

I just don’t see it happening. He doesn’t win enough points that matter. His top level is not as great as CA, Rune or Djokovic and doesn’t have an atletic body compared to previous champions. In my book he might win a few titles, but he will not come close to CA or Rune.

What do you think?
 
Impetus said:
We all know he didn’t win anything major yet, but he has the overall statistics on his side. If we only look at numbers he should have a major breakthrough very soon.

I just don’t see it happening. He doesn’t win enough points that matter. His top level is not as great as CA, Rune or Djokovic and doesn’t have an atletic body compared to previous champions. In my book he might win a few titles, but he will not come close to CA or Rune.

What do you think?
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He may well come close to Rune but not Alcaraz.
 
He appears to lack the eye of the tiger, which is the key thing in turning a good, or very good tennis player into a great one (Alcaraz and Rune both have it). I'm not sure you can teach that if it is not naturally there, but part of it will certainly come with experience, so he should get better.

I still cling on to those first 6 sets of tennis he played in the 4th round and QF of Wimbledon last year and see that the potential is clearly right there.

Just because there are two guys younger than him showing more upside than him right now doesn't change the fact that he's still 21, and by the standards of most players through tennis history his best tennis should still theoretically be a year or two away.
 
His main problem is that he keeps faltering in sight of the finish line. If he stops doing that, he may win big titles; until then, he's just another pretender with a lousy record against top players.

As of now, his Alcaraz matchup is all he has going on that he might be considered a top threat.
 
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Impetus said:
We all know he didn’t win anything major yet, but he has the overall statistics on his side. If we only look at numbers he should have a major breakthrough very soon.

I just don’t see it happening. He doesn’t win enough points that matter. His top level is not as great as CA, Rune or Djokovic and doesn’t have an atletic body compared to previous champions. In my book he might win a few titles, but he will not come close to CA or Rune.

What do you think?
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I think once he gets that first big breakthrough, he will have a better career than Rune, but he will be a great rival for Alcaraz. If you look at his Wimbledon loss this year against Djokovic, despite losing in three, he essentially played at the same level as Djokovic, but didn’t play the points well that mattered the most. The talent is there, but the belief and ride or die mentality on break points and set points is not there. We will just have to wait and see but if he doesn’t break through in the next 5 slams, he never will
 
@Impetus the scary thing about Sinner, he is still improving and he’s joint tied for fifth in the race to Turin. Most likely will finish top 4, and has still a large room for improvement. Why I think his ceiling is high is due to his late start in tennis and hand skills which Alcaraz currently possesses, Sinner will develop in the next 1.5-2 years and I think we will see the best from him at age 24. I think he has more potential and upside than Rune
 
Good player but plays seesaw tennis. One minute he is on fire, the next minute playing like crap. He is the kind of player who takes other players to a fifth set and you know without watching that he will most probably lose the match.

He needs to add more to his game.
 
One dimensional. Good ball striker. Matches up well against Alcaraz. But nothing about him strikes me as a potential ATG. Very overrated player.
 
Krish0608 said:
One dimensional. Good ball striker. Matches up well against Alcaraz. But nothing about him strikes me as a potential ATG. Very overrated player.
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Alcaraz will improve and don't think he will have match up problem against Sinner anymore . He has massively improved this year unlike Sinner
 
He is at his highest #8 ranking good this year with a 37-11 record, 1 title, and about $3million of earned cash in prize money. Made great improvements since last year and I like his chances.

I will say, his battles against Alcaraz is the best rivalry of this new era.
 
dking68 said:
@Impetus the scary thing about Sinner, he is still improving and he’s joint tied for fifth in the race to Turin. Most likely will finish top 4, and has still a large room for improvement. Why I think his ceiling is high is due to his late start in tennis and hand skills which Alcaraz currently possesses, Sinner will develop in the next 1.5-2 years and I think we will see the best from him at age 24. I think he has more potential and upside than Rune
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I often forget about his late start in tennis so thanks for a reminder of that. I hope he will soon put it all together.
 
dking68 said:
@Impetus the scary thing about Sinner, he is still improving and he’s joint tied for fifth in the race to Turin. Most likely will finish top 4, and has still a large room for improvement. Why I think his ceiling is high is due to his late start in tennis and hand skills which Alcaraz currently possesses, Sinner will develop in the next 1.5-2 years and I think we will see the best from him at age 24. I think he has more potential and upside than Rune
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The hand skills, feel and touch Alcaraz has CAN'T be taught. I've known him for 10 years now, that is, when he was half the age he's now, and he already had IT then. Anyone thinking Sinner will develop into a completely different player that he's now as an adult –that is, a high-level ballbasher with little variety in his game– is deluding himself/herself.

Rune has way more potencial than Sinner IMHO. His game has his flaws but he got that all around feeling to him that Sinner thoroughly lacks. They are both on the same level as of now, though, and shouldn't be lumped togetherwith Alcaraz at the moment. Carlos has made it already, he is getting the big prizes. Jury is still out for Sinner and Rune.
 

Sinner - how good is he actually?​

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his ball striking isn't just good, it's excellent...no question one of the best on tour.

weaknesses:

so-so movement which is a BIG deal at the highest level.
not much of a plan b when points veer from the baseline exchange script.

if i were his coach i'd spend a lot of time practicing coming in opportunistically during baseline exchanges...he hurts a lot of players with excellent groundies but good defensive players can reset the point against him...take a page out of fed's book and rush the net when you've got somebody out of position. he's a great athlete and i think he could certainly improve his net play.
 
lizjo said:
I often forget about his late start in tennis so thanks for a reminder of that. I hope he will soon put it all together.
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Sinner did not have a "late start" in tennis. In fact, he started playing at age three and had a full time tennis coach at age 8. Sure, he continued to ski, but how many 8 year olds have a full time professional tennis coach? So please stop with the canard that he had a late start to tennis, it's unfactual.
 
With some luck in the draw he might scratch a US open, tops.

This might change if he develops some tennis IQ + more tools and dimensions in his game. But if this has not happened yet, I believe at the current point is highly unlikely that it happens in an effective way.
 
BeatlesFan said:
Sinner did not have a "late start" in tennis. In fact, he started playing at age three and had a full time tennis coach at age 8. Sure, he continued to ski, but how many 8 year olds have a full time professional tennis coach? So please stop with the canard that he had a late start to tennis, it's unfactual.
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Ok.
 
Mustard said:
An inferior version of Berdych.
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i don't rate him much below berdych at the moment. i believe his ground game might even be better, i think he can hit angles tomas couldn't and is maybe just a touch more fluid with his stroke production. definitely similarities, and not trying to underrate tomas, he was an excellent player. but i think with some hard work and quad transplants he could surpass berdych's career.
 
Impetus said:
We all know he didn’t win anything major yet, but he has the overall statistics on his side. If we only look at numbers he should have a major breakthrough very soon.

I just don’t see it happening. He doesn’t win enough points that matter. His top level is not as great as CA, Rune or Djokovic and doesn’t have an atletic body compared to previous champions. In my book he might win a few titles, but he will not come close to CA or Rune.

What do you think?
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Isn't this the title for Tennis Plus' videos?

The guy who titles every video "How good was player (fill in the blank) actually?
 
To answer your question.

He's going to have a career that will be somewhere between Berdych and Murray.

I don't see him winning any grand slam titles.

Probably a Berdych sort of career.

He's a consistent top level player, yet he never wins anything beyond an ATP 500.
 
Biggest hype job and robbery in all sports is Coutinho's Barca's transfer, they paid 170 million Euros for him?lmao! I was so happy when i heard they were paying 170milliin. Another one is again from Barca with Dembele's transfer fees of 125 million lol. Thanks Bartomeu ,you're my favourite Barca president ever for a reason.
 
He's a flat track bully of a player. Exceptional ball striking off either wing and moves well enough to play with almost relentless intensity... it'll beat most players most of the time but I've never picked up the sense that he's particularly precise with it, that lack of precision extends to his serve which is so-so, and he has poorly developed skills (for a top 10 player) outside of anything with topspin on it.

lizjo said:
I often forget about his late start in tennis so thanks for a reminder of that. I hope he will soon put it all together.
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Yeah, 3 is far too late.

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His journey to being a pro was unusual but between him focusing on, and doing extremely well at, skiing between 8 and 12 and then only switching his focus to tennis aged 13, at which point he went off to https://www.piattitenniscenter.it/en/ which you don't just go to on a whim, it's been turned into "Jannik Sinner only started playing tennis at 13". It's a myth.
 
Brainless ballbasher who has no Plan B when Plan A isn't firing on all cylinders, let's see if he can implement some variety in his game
 
When will people stop hyping him up until he does something meaningful?

He still has 0 big titles and his only claim to fame is troubling Alcaraz. And yet he still lost their biggest match at the USO last year.
 
Impetus said:
We all know he didn’t win anything major yet, but he has the overall statistics on his side. If we only look at numbers he should have a major breakthrough very soon.

I just don’t see it happening. He doesn’t win enough points that matter. His top level is not as great as CA, Rune or Djokovic and doesn’t have an atletic body compared to previous champions. In my book he might win a few titles, but he will not come close to CA or Rune.

What do you think?
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Berdych light, matches up well with Carlos. Good player, not great. Will be a consistent 2nd week gatekeeper type player if he stays healthy and motivated
 
Tennfan123 said:
I’m a fan. Do not expect much though. He’ll make a slam final or 2 and win 3 or 4 masters. Maybe a WTF final.
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I think he will do better than that. With the big 3 soon out of the picture CA can’t win all slams and the next group with Medvedev, Tsitsipas, Rune, Rublev, Rune, Ruud and Sinner all have a chance.

Sinner won 54% of all points played in 2023. That single statistic tells me he should start to win the big tournaments.
I’m not cheering for him, though. He’s not elegant, atletic or all-court enough for my taste.

I think Rune 8 months ago showed the same top level as CA and sometimes more actually, but he’s so on/off that I have lost some faith in him. Maybe he discovered sex. I know I couldn’t use my mind for thinking for years after discovering the guilty pleasures.
 
Impetus said:
I think he will do better than that. With the big 3 soon out of the picture CA can’t win all slams and the next group with Medvedev, Tsitsipas, Rune, Rublev, Rune, Ruud and Sinner all have a chance.

Sinner won 54% of all points played in 2023. That single statistic tells me he should start to win the big tournaments.
I’m not cheering for him, though. He’s not elegant, atletic or all-court enough for my taste.

I think Rune 8 months ago showed the same top level as CA and sometimes more actually, but he’s so on/off that I have lost some faith in him. Maybe he discovered sex. I know I couldn’t use my mind for thinking for years after discovering the guilty pleasures.
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Where did you see this stat? Also what is the significance of it?
 
dking68 said:
Where did you see this stat? Also what is the significance of it?
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Go to player stat and find 2023.

To me the total number of won points is the most significant. The number has all the other numbers like serve, FH, BH etc in that piece of information. it’s the same level of Djokovic, CA and Medvedev. It’s a very good statistic.

Some statistics like winners primarily shows what kind if a player you are. You can only use those numbers to see ehat you can improve on. Total number of points won matter.
 
Impetus said:
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Go to player stat and find 2023.

To me the total number of won points is the most significant. The number has all the other numbers like serve, FH, BH etc in that piece of information. it’s the same level of Djokovic, CA and Medvedev. It’s a very good statistic.

Some statistics like winners primarily shows what kind if a player you are. You can only use those numbers to see ehat you can improve on. Total number of points won matter.
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And the scary thing is he’s not as complete as Alcaraz and is registering a similar level of performance. I think he’s going to breakthrough soon but every time I think that, it just doesn’t happen. So right now I’m at a watch and see state for Sinner right now. What I will say though, if Sinner wins either Canada/Cincinnati, I don’t think Carlos will want to face him at the USO
 
players don‘t transform magically if they are already on the pro level. sinner showed us who he is. great, yet error prone ballstriking, great return, solid serve, bad volley, bad at cat and mouse points, bad transition game, no variety whatsoever. how far such a game can bring you depends on the opposition.
 
mike danny said:
When will people stop hyping him up until he does something meaningful?

He still has 0 big titles and his only claim to fame is troubling Alcaraz. And yet he still lost their biggest match at the USO last year.
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By the end of next year 2024, you will see the real Sinner of the circuit. Zverev, tsitsifraud will never win slams
 
CHillTennis said:
To answer your question.

He's going to have a career that will be somewhere between Berdych and Murray.

I don't see him winning any grand slam titles.

Probably a Berdych sort of career.

He's a consistent top level player, yet he never wins anything beyond an ATP 500.
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I would give him 3-5 masters tittles at peak years though.
 
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