Sinner hype is so comical

FeroBango

Hall of Fame
Fair enough but where were your high moral grounds when posters who showed faith in Sinner were mocked ?It work both ways, btw i didn't bash anyone I just asked if they're convinced now in Sinner's ability to win slams?
Perhaps that has to do with how bullish pro-Sinner posters were by tearing down his peers such as the proven Alcaraz over and over again. Remember tpaint19 and his obsession over Rune? That's essentially what militant Sinner fans came across like when he was nothing more than a good match-up against Alcaraz.

Even after his awesome success, it's still not a decent idea to dump on Raz and others but you can imagine what it must have been like when some of these posters brought to the table. "Teeth, tiny" and so on.
 

nolefam_2024

G.O.A.T.
Perhaps that has to do with how bullish pro-Sinner posters were by tearing down his peers such as the proven Alcaraz over and over again. Remember tpaint19 and his obsession over Rune? That's essentially what militant Sinner fans came across like when he was nothing more than a good match-up against Alcaraz.

Even after his awesome success, it's still not a decent idea to dump on Raz and others but you can imagine what it must have been like when some of these posters brought to the table. "Teeth, tiny" and so on.
Exactly. We rated sinner exactly as he was last year. A beta player. It's only the last 6 months where he started to ascend. And everyone has taken notice.
 

FeroBango

Hall of Fame
Exactly. We rated sinner exactly as he was last year. A beta player. It's only the last 6 months where he started to ascend. And everyone has taken notice.
Indeed. Today he has truly earned the respect. But months ago, his militant fans demanded that everyone respect him when it wasn't quite earned yet by him. The talent was obvious but after several failed "prodigies", it was wise to not hype him up than otherwise.

As I said, it didn't help that they also tore apart his peers in the process.
 

Krish872007

Talk Tennis Guru
Fair enough but where were your high moral grounds when posters who showed faith in Sinner were mocked ?It work both ways, btw i didn't bash anyone I just asked if they're convinced now in Sinner's ability to win slams?

You're right, it does work both ways and both dking68 and you have been proved right - it's easy to give up on someone but you did not. Same for the Alcaraz camp though...
I am very pleased he has got over the first hurdle. I want to believe in Zverev's ability to win Slams too, but the window is a lot shorter these days
 

NeutralFan

G.O.A.T.
Perhaps that has to do with how bullish pro-Sinner posters were by tearing down his peers such as the proven Alcaraz over and over again. Remember tpaint19 and his obsession over Rune? That's essentially what militant Sinner fans came across like when he was nothing more than a good match-up against Alcaraz.

Even after his awesome success, it's still not a decent idea to dump on Raz and others but you can imagine what it must have been like when some of these posters brought to the table. "Teeth, tiny" and so on.

Meh! I didn't tear down Carlos and some poster mocked me and Sinner for the prediction of him winning a slam soon( i said AO) and why are you doing whataboutery to justify their behaviour? I am not dumping Carlos. if it's wrong to merely point out they were wrong then it's worse to mock and ridicule before. you can't have it all.
 

FeroBango

Hall of Fame
Meh! I didn't tear down Carlos and some poster mocked me and Sinner for the prediction of him winning a slam soon( i said AO) and why are you doing whataboutery to justify their behaviour? I am not dumping Carlos. if it's wrong to merely point out they were wrong then it's worse to mock and ridicule before. you can't have it all.
You're quite literally Nuetralfan :p

But you know the likes I'm referring to.

Sinner didn't earn the hype then. Now he has. Simple as that.
 

neytron

Rookie
Thiem was already freaking 27.

This guy was SO BAD in 2016 I claimed in 5 years guaranteed Nole will be ranked above him. And that's what happened. No one expected Thiem to rule tennis.

Don't compare him to Sinner..
Their slam titles are very similar in fact. In the semis Thiem defeated Medvedev, who made a ton of UE, just like Djokovic did in this AO. In the final Zverev choked after 2-0, and Medvedev got tired after 2-0. Before winning the slam Sinner was in the top slightly less than Thiem.
 

NeutralFan

G.O.A.T.
You're quite literally Nuetralfan :p

But you know the likes I'm referring to.

Sinner didn't earn the hype then. Now he has. Simple as that.

Actually he did, this slam win didn't come out of nowhere man. he was improving very fast , as far as Carlos is concerned he needs a new coach ASAP. I like to troll a bit , relax .
 

nolefam_2024

G.O.A.T.
Their slam titles are very similar in fact. In the semis Thiem defeated Medvedev, who made a ton of UE, just like Djokovic did in this AO. In the final Zverev choked after 2-0, and Medvedev got tired after 2-0. Before winning the slam Sinner was in the top slightly less than Thiem.
Slam titles may be alike but Sinner beating on every single guy at the end of the year till now isn't.

This choker Thiem is lucky to even have a slam.
 

FeroBango

Hall of Fame
Actually he did, this slam win didn't come out of nowhere man. he was improving very fast , as far as Carlos is concerned he needs a new coach ASAP. I like to troll a bit , relax .
Sure. The talent was obvious for a long time but did he earn the hype more than he did skepticism? I don't think so. Especially not in the midst of said militant fans.

I have personally said long before that Sinner has been incrementally getting better year by year and that there's no necessity to write him off. But crazy crazy Sinner hype has existed for years now, and it isn't a recent, post-WTF phenomenon. The skeptics had more going for them than those who hyped. This is all I have to add here.
 

NeutralFan

G.O.A.T.
Sure. The talent was obvious for a long time but did he earn the hype more than he did skepticism? I don't think so. Especially not in the midst of said militant fans.

I have personally said long before that Sinner has been incrementally getting better year by year and that there's no necessity to write him off. But crazy crazy Sinner hype has existed for years now, and it isn't a recent, post-WTF phenomenon. The skeptics had more going for them than those who hyped. This is all I have to add here.

Actually I found those militant fans very entertaining, especially Sampras Bruguera lol. After he was banned i switched the side to hype Sinner and to my surprise he indeed was improving very fast and that made me double down on the hype and trigger some posters.
 

nolefam_2024

G.O.A.T.
Thiem also has a very good record against big 3.
His record against Roger should be rejected.

He had good record vs Rafole but that's when he was at his physical peak and they were not.

Sinner's issue is physical atm and not skills related. Thiem is just a brainless ballbasher.
 
Actually I found those militant fans very entertaining, especially Sampras Bruguera lol. After he was banned i switched the side to hype Sinner and to my surprise he indeed was improving very fast and that made me double down on the hype and trigger some posters.
Sampras Bruguera should be pardoned officially and allowed to return to Talk Tennis as part of the celebrations of Sinner winning AO.

I didnt agree with a lot of his views, but he added interesting discussions on here. And from what I understand he didnt do anything that warranted being banned.
 

KantenKlaar

Professional
You're right, it does work both ways and both dking68 and you have been proved right - it's easy to give up on someone but you did not. Same for the Alcaraz camp though...
I am very pleased he has got over the first hurdle. I want to believe in Zverev's ability to win Slams too, but the window is a lot shorter these days
Agree with you about Zverev, but hope that he continues with his upward trajectory.
 

MeatTornado

Talk Tennis Guru
All the pessimists said: "let Alcaraz / Sinner actually beat Novak in a Major, then we'll talk". That's now happened. What's next?
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FeroBango

Hall of Fame
One perspective that can come in handy for those of us who have transitioned from previous favorites to the newer ones (Sinner, Alcaraz) is that in these boards, even the Big 3 get called losers, vultures and asterisked champions (particularly in Novak's case these days).

So, all is well I suppose.
 

dking68

Legend
Sinner might win a bunch of Slams, but let’s wait a while and see what he does before we anoint him as an ATG. When Thiem won his USO in 2020, it was after a lot of improvement in the previous two years under his new coach and his potential to ascend to the top of the game seemed very high. Nadal was first in the GOAT race after winning the first two Slams of 2022. Murray looked like he was peaking when he became #1 at the end of 2016. We all know what happened in each case. Injuries can happen at any time in what has become a brutally athletic sport.
Keep doubting Sinner. The more you doubt him, the better he becomes
 

Pheasant

Legend
Keep doubting Sinner. The more you doubt him, the better he becomes
Let's take a look at whom he has beaten since then:
3-1 vs Djokovic
4-0 vs Medvedev
1-0 vs Alcaraz
2-0 vs Rublev
1-0 vs Tsitsipas
1-0 vs Rune

This rounds out the top-10 opponents that he's faced. 12-1 vs top-10, 10-1 vs top-5, 27-2 overall since Beijing.

This kid is on a roll. Let’s see if he keeps it up.
 
Let's take a look at whom he has beaten since then:
3-1 vs Djokovic
4-0 vs Medvedev
1-0 vs Alcaraz
2-0 vs Rublev
1-0 vs Tsitsipas
1-0 vs Rune

This rounds out the top-10 opponents that he's faced. 12-1 vs top-10, 10-1 vs top-5, 27-2 overall since Beijing.

This kid is on a roll. Let’s see if he keeps it up.
He's making doing proud dking*
 

Sudacafan

Bionic Poster
Let's take a look at whom he has beaten since then:
3-1 vs Djokovic
4-0 vs Medvedev
1-0 vs Alcaraz
2-0 vs Rublev
1-0 vs Tsitsipas
1-0 vs Rune

This rounds out the top-10 opponents that he's faced. 12-1 vs top-10, 10-1 vs top-5, 27-2 overall since Beijing.

This kid is on a roll. Let’s see if he keeps it up.
Keep young and beautiful.

 

nolefam_2024

G.O.A.T.
Let's take a look at whom he has beaten since then:
3-1 vs Djokovic
4-0 vs Medvedev
1-0 vs Alcaraz
2-0 vs Rublev
1-0 vs Tsitsipas
1-0 vs Rune

This rounds out the top-10 opponents that he's faced. 12-1 vs top-10, 10-1 vs top-5, 27-2 overall since Beijing.

This kid is on a roll. Let’s see if he keeps it up.
Without Djokovic's super performance in the final, it would be 13-0 one way. Anyone doubting Sinner has not understood these numbers.
 

Pheasant

Legend
Sinner's current 10-1 record vs the top-5 on hard courts has floored me. It's so good, that I had to see how often a few other hard court legends managed a 10-1 run vs the top-5 better on hard courts.

Most consecutive matches played vs top-5 on hard courts with only one loss:(among Djoker, Lendl, Sampras, Federer, McEnroe, and Sinner):

17-1 Federer, 2003 Masters Cup to 2006 Dubai(snapped by Nadal in the final)
12-1, Sampras, 1995 USO to 1998 USO(snapped by Rafter in the semi)
11-1, Djokovic: Beiing 2013 to 2015 Dubai(snapped by Fed in the final)
11-1, Djokovic, USO 2015 through USO,2016(snapped by Stan in the final)
11-1, Djokovic, Astana 2022 to Davis Cup 2023(snapped by Sinner).
11-1, Lendl, 1985 USO to 1988 USO(snapped by Wilander in the final)
10-1, Sinner, Beijing 2023 to present.

Note: McEnroe had a 9-1 run on hard courts vs the top-5. He did manage a 12-1 run on carpet vs the top-5
Note: Lendl had a 9-1 run on carpet vs the top-5.
 

robyrolfo

Professional
"After the slams". So just the last TWO months of the season are good indicators to show that Sinner will be a next big thing? Let's wait how he performs at slams next year. Would not be surprised if he bombs out early at AO or at QF at best :)
Sinner is probably the most overhyped player i have ever seen in my life.
Excellent foresight.

I see no point in bashing people for failed predictions, hindsight is always 20-20.
Tennis landscape is just so fascinating - see how the narrative around Sinner has changed dramatically in the space of 1-2 months.
Well, there are predictions, and there are predictions. See above. That guy made a prediction based on either a lack of information (thinking Sinner had been doing well for just the past two months), or a poor understanding of the game. So yeah, people have a right to point out that his prediction was bad, especially if he resulted to insulting hyperbole in the middle of it.

Exactly. We rated sinner exactly as he was last year. A beta player. It's only the last 6 months where he started to ascend. And everyone has taken notice.
A beta player? Huh? The last 6 months? Huh? Sinner has been on a slow and steady upward trajectory for at least two years now, which is not so coincidentally exactly the type of path and process that he stated he would take numerous times (as did his coaches, past and present). No, he didn't have some big, flashy result out of the blue (like Rune winning Paris in 2022), but he kept ticking off the boxes one by one. Anyone who didn't see that wasn't paying close enough attention to make certain comments.

One perspective that can come in handy for those of us who have transitioned from previous favorites to the newer ones (Sinner, Alcaraz) is that in these boards, even the Big 3 get called losers, vultures and asterisked champions (particularly in Novak's case these days).
What is this mindset? Are there people who will only root for players at the very top of the game, capable of winning multiple slams and such? Is that fun? Does that make them insightful fans? I'll never understand this mentality.

Well yes because Djokovic played his worst in a major ever... so beat him again when he's normal then we'll talk.
Yes, Djokovic played terrible, but people need to stop pretending that it had nothing to do with Sinner. That "meaningless" round robin match in the ATP finals last year, the final (that Novak won, yes), the Davis cup singles and doubles... all of that was laying the groundwork. If Djokovic walks out onto Laver for that semi-final against any other player in the world right now, his mindset is different. He is a little more relaxed and confident.

Likewise, if Novak started out the match poorly with a lot of UE's, against any other player he is going to be less worried about getting it back and turning the match around. I mean, how many times has he come from 0-2 sets down in past slams, including against Sinner, without much issue? He starts slow pretty often. But this time he knew that coming back against the jackhammer that Sinner had become (and demonstrated at ATP Finals and Davis Cup) would be a HUGE task, and he simply couldn't get himself up to do it.
 

nolefam_2024

G.O.A.T.
Excellent foresight.


Well, there are predictions, and there are predictions. See above. That guy made a prediction based on either a lack of information (thinking Sinner had been doing well for just the past two months), or a poor understanding of the game. So yeah, people have a right to point out that his prediction was bad, especially if he resulted to insulting hyperbole in the middle of it.


A beta player? Huh? The last 6 months? Huh? Sinner has been on a slow and steady upward trajectory for at least two years now, which is not so coincidentally exactly the type of path and process that he stated he would take numerous times (as did his coaches, past and present). No, he didn't have some big, flashy result out of the blue (like Rune winning Paris in 2022), but he kept ticking off the boxes one by one. Anyone who didn't see that wasn't paying close enough attention to make certain comments.


What is this mindset? Are there people who will only root for players at the very top of the game, capable of winning multiple slams and such? Is that fun? Does that make them insightful fans? I'll never understand this mentality.


Yes, Djokovic played terrible, but people need to stop pretending that it had nothing to do with Sinner. That "meaningless" round robin match in the ATP finals last year, the final (that Novak won, yes), the Davis cup singles and doubles... all of that was laying the groundwork. If Djokovic walks out onto Laver for that semi-final against any other player in the world right now, his mindset is different. He is a little more relaxed and confident.

Likewise, if Novak started out the match poorly with a lot of UE's, against any other player he is going to be less worried about getting it back and turning the match around. I mean, how many times has he come from 0-2 sets down in past slams, including against Sinner, without much issue? He starts slow pretty often. But this time he knew that coming back against the jackhammer that Sinner had become (and demonstrated at ATP Finals and Davis Cup) would be a HUGE task, and he simply couldn't get himself up to do it.
I don't make close attention to what a player is saying.
 

GrandSlam24

Rookie
Even if nothing more comes from Djokovic at all, you could live with that. That would also explain why UTS no longer updates anything. The status at the end of 2023 would be the end point and there would be enough good video material for the next few years. Novak has absolutely no obligation to beat players born in or after 2001. They are simply too young. If he does it anyway, then all the better. But it's not necessary, because his rivals are Nadal and Federer and he only has to worry about the comparison. He wants to be better than these 2.
 
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