Sinner: ''I'm very disappointed''
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Sudacafan
Bionic Poster
Sinner had a breakout year this year.
He had good years before, but his body did not seem to hold together as well as this year.
Sinner was caught with doping in this year, two occurrences.
Players with lower rankings with same substance detected were given lengthy suspensions.
It's the first time in history that WADA appeals for a suspension.
These statements are not related at all, and should not be investigated. It is offensive people tie these together.
He had good years before, but his body did not seem to hold together as well as this year.
Sinner was caught with doping in this year, two occurrences.
Players with lower rankings with same substance detected were given lengthy suspensions.
It's the first time in history that WADA appeals for a suspension.
These statements are not related at all, and should not be investigated. It is offensive people tie these together.
ChrisJR3264
Hall of Fame
I don’t think they can do that. I think they can strip your pay and ranking points. But that’s it.
First of all, the ATP has no jurisdiction over the U.S. Open, which is the tournament that most people seem to be concerned about.
But to repeat: No one is looking to invalidate any tournament results (certainly not the ATP). WADA's appeal is about whether Sinner should be punished or or not, which is irrelevant to tournament results (even if WADA hadn't already told us that it's not trying to invalidate anything). Setting aside the middle-ground possibility of a "no substantial negligence" finding, there are essentially two possible outcomes now:
- Sinner is not banned for having a minuscule amount of a prohibited substance in his body because he was not negligent in allowing the exposure.
- Sinner is banned for having a minuscule amount of a prohibited substance in his body because he was negligent in allowing the exposure.
Neither outcome would have any bearing on any tournament results. Nothing will change if WADA prevails. Saying that other players would be declared the winners of the events that Sinner won is wrong. Saying that there would be no winners of those events is also wrong.
ChrisJR3264
Hall of Fame
I would stop using the “minuscule amount” of banned substance as an argument to his defense. He tested positive twice in two + weeks of each other. That argument is weak.
Especially since the argument they’re trying to make is the trainer used the substance didn’t wash his hands and a small amount entered sinners system through cuts on his feet.
It's not an argument. It's a summary of the Independent Tribunal's findings in lay terminology. And those findings are not being challenged on appeal, according to WADA's explanation of its action. No "defense" on that score is necessary. The question on appeal is whether Sinner was negligent in allowing the exposure. The argument will be about whether the anti-doping rules require that the negligence/stupidity/carelessness of Sinner's subordinates be attributed to him. The ITIA decision said no. WADA wants the answer to be yes.
travlerajm
Talk Tennis Guru
I recall Paul Annacone saying on the US Open final telecast:
“It was just such a tiny little amount. I’m glad that he was able to avoid suspension.”
“It was just such a tiny little amount. I’m glad that he was able to avoid suspension.”
ChrisJR3264
Hall of Fame
The ITIA “felt” sinners story was “true”.
Yet he was negligent - what idiot lets a trainer rub their feet with open wounds ungloved?
That’s the story they’re trying to sell?
WADA probably doesn’t buy this story how a trace amount left over on the trainers had wound up in the blood stream enough for him to fail not once but twice in a month.
Then here’s the timeline: hip injury was so bad he couldn’t play tennis then all of a sudden he’s cleared to play despite being on bed rest for weeks.
Then he has tonsillitis and can’t play Olympics yet two days later he’s pool side at a resort.
Again - I like Sinner. I liked him more than alcaraz and wanted to see him excel. But this all smells funny. Especially since his endurance/stamina woes seemed to just disappear after the US open last year.
That may be your appeal, but it's not WADA's appeal.
ChrisJR3264
Hall of Fame
Two failed doping tests should be an automatic suspension. It’s continuous use of a banned substance.
Sinners story was accepted bc of the rivalry he brings to the game against alcaraz. What does this do for the tour with Novak on the brink of retirement while alcaraz dominates everyone except sinner consistently ?
messiahrobins
Hall of Fame
The sport will not survive Sinner being banned. It will open up a whole can of worms and there will be other players very nervous as well. There is clearly an agenda at play here beyond Sinner.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
The sport will not survive Sinner's non-banning being tested in an appeals court. WADA has made the right decision, although I'd prefer far weaker anti-doping rules.
legcramp
Professional
What you mean, if he wasn't already enhanced by the cream he would've went out to players again like Tsissy and Altmeier. Fair and square lolThat' some good Multivitamins man,,, where can i buy those ??
and for Sinner, he won Aussie open and US open fair and square because Alcarez was too tired to play even at 50 % of normal at the US open. so Sinner Earned those slams,, and nobody can dispute that
Born_to_slice
Legend
Cry me a river.
RaulRamirez
Legend
In all sports, my head is mostly in the sand about doping issues. I want to think everyone is clean.
So, pertaining to this, I'll just ask:
WADA ya mean?
So, pertaining to this, I'll just ask:
WADA ya mean?
Lol Sinner is not Tennis. Tennis is Tennis and is bigger than any individual. People will keep playing tennis if Sinner is out.
Tour de France is still going after Lance Armstrong was out.
Get real.
Yunchaokete Bu is really exciting to watch!
ImpartialSpectator
New User
The whole situation seems like an obvious cover up, but honestly I hope he doesn't get banned and this just scares him into not doping anymore. It will be too disappointing if Alcaraz doesn't have a real rival for the foreseeable future.
nolefam_2024
Talk Tennis Guru
This is what maybe the losing armies in the past said to console themselves.
Stannis Baratheon syndrome.
When you are put out mercilessly by a ban, the career is mostly over. No miracles in life.
Yes, but there is a total imbalance of power here.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
There is always a "total imbalance of power", but at least Sinner has the money and connections to afford the best possible case at the Appeal.
messiahrobins
Hall of Fame
Cycling has never recovered after the Armstrong scandal. Tour De France used to be massive, its now barely mentioned.
You are very naive if you think Sinner being banned doesnt destroy tennis, it will be catastrophic and i'm afraid doesnt help the Big 3 at all legacy wise. Think it through.
Cycling is still going. Tennis is still going. Swimming is still going.
Marion Jones doping, Ben Johnson doping..
Did running stop?
Running is still going ..
Usain Bolt happens.
Dopers and cheaters will only destroy themselves, the sport will thrive without them. There will always be new talents coming.
GrandSlam24
Rookie
Why don't you lock him up so that there's peace and quiet? There were and are enough other tennis players.
Rovesciarete
Hall of Fame
A sacrifice for the good of the tennis realm, I see. That is the naive hope…
You got it wrong.
First, you need to have skin rashes on your legs, then you need to have your physio healing a cut on his pinky finger by using the doping cream, and then, having a massage without gloves on those legs. Plus, you have to do all of this it at least twice with a time span of a week. Then you go 2024 (put whatever year you want) greatest.
And he is surprised by the appeal. Hah.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
12 months used to be a common ban, so Sinner got off scot free unless there was a rule change somewhere.
Because Alcaraz wasn't tested positive like Sinner.Wonder why they got Sinner instead of Alcaraz?
Cilic was suspended for 9 months in 2013. He then won US Open in 2014 when he was seeded number 14.
The spaniard can't be clean, guess he is the true poster boy.
There has to be a proof before you make that kind of statement.
Every player who tested positive must be banned.
nolefam_2024
Talk Tennis Guru
He only served 4 months, though. Won his first round match at Wimbledon in late June 2013, pulled out of his second round match after the positive test result, and then was back on the court for Bercy in late October 2013.
RaulRamirez
Legend
In retrospect, it almost feels that way, but if you watched that USO, he was almost unplayable the last few rounds, and made it look easy. He gave me almost a 2009 Delpo vibe, and yes, for different reasons, those were their only slam titles.
Much as it was shocking to see both Novak and Roger go down in the semis, Cilic was the deserving winner that year.
Terenigma
G.O.A.T.
Absolutely! Peak Cilic is a scary prospect, It's more often his mental side which contributes to a lot of his losses, not his game.
Cilic's highest ranking was no. 3 -- certainly credible. Plenty of slam winners were never ranked 1 or 2. Wawrinka's highest ranking was also no. 3. Cilic made two other slams finals in addition to the one he won. So he had finals at three different slams, plus three other slam semifinals. Won a Masters event by beating Murray. Definitely a respectable body of work.
nolefam_2024
Talk Tennis Guru
I'm not arguing about the impact of his suspension. I'm just defending his career achievements, which were obviously far from ATG level, but more than a single freakish result.
nolefam_2024
Talk Tennis Guru
CAS decided to reduce his ban after appeal. He served his suspension though, unlike Sinner.
Beating Federer on the way to his Slam title.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
I would have thought the Cilic case would be a precedent for the Sinner one. But instead, the Tribunal came up with something new.
uscwang
Hall of Fame
That sounds like covid at some point.
7 days ban will only encourage players to do doping. 2 to 4 years or life ban is a good way of teaching dopers a lesson. Heck, match fixers have been banned for life.
zagor
Bionic Poster
Cilic played like a man possessed that USO. One of the highest big hitting peaks I've seen in tennis.
RaulRamirez
Legend
Agreed. Although I love the Big 3, I wish we could have seen that version of Cilic more often. Cliché or not, he looked like he was hitting downhill -- made the court look small.
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