Sinner is 6-26 against 7 Biggest Players on Tour ..... LOL

[TheNachoMan]

Some part of that was injuries.

And Toni being a fantastic coach..lol

 

[abmk]

Sinner was given the most ridiculously insane draw in USO history.
Zverev, Alcaraz, Medvedev, Djokovic...
Nobody can go through all 4 of these guys in succession on hardcourts.
Not even 2005 Federer nor 2010 Nadal.

Please. fed's USO 07 for example was tougher - Lopez, Roddick, Davy, Djokovic
Mac's 80 USO is another example - Lendl, Connors, Borg.

 

[Aabye5]

And Toni being a fantastic coach..lol

Toni isn't the problem, per se, but I am curious how much FAA is paying him. Is the juice worth the squeeze?

 

[Mediterranean Might]

Sinner 1st serve % - 54%
Zverev 1st serve % - 70%

All his important matches look like this. Sinner is consistently 10-15 percentage points behind his opponents on 1st serves - he sits at 55% while most of the tour averages 65%. In 3/4 matches at the USO he was at ~55% while his opponents were 65%+. This is not to mention he mentally shrinks in the biggest points. It doesn't matter how good his groundies are when this 6'2" dude can't find a serve or convert a break point to save his life. These are literally the 2 most important things in tennis. He's destined for nothing until he fixes this... but at least we'll have Sampras-Bruguera 1993's delusions (or trolling?) to keep us entertained along the way

 

[Malli]

Toni isn't the problem, per se, but I am curious how much FAA is paying him. Is the juice worth the squeeze?

I think the match where ‘Uncle Toni’ supported Nadal instead of his ward caused irreparable psychological damage. It was a touch of medievalism on display there. Toni’s subliminal message to FAA was - “I am sorry. You are my ******* son and I cannot support you”

 

[Razer]

I think the match where ‘Uncle Toni’ supported Nadal instead of his ward caused irreparable psychological damage. It was a touch of medievalism on display there. Toni’s subliminal message to FAA was - “I am sorry. You are my ******* son and I cannot support you”

Yeah, these things do their number at a subconscious level. Consciously no matter how much we try to reason it, the subconsious cannot be reasoned with, the impact on the subconscious is always irreparable.

 

[Aabye5]

I think the match where ‘Uncle Toni’ supported Nadal instead of his ward caused irreparable psychological damage. It was a touch of medievalism on display there. Toni’s subliminal message to FAA was - “I am sorry. You are my ******* son and I cannot support you”

Yes, I drew the line at that. I was very supportive of Toni's involvement until that match. And then to gloat about it was the epitome of bad form. After that, I thought FAA should have dropped him. And yet, here we are a year later, with not even an M1000 final to show for it.

Still, I think that FAA's struggles this year have not been Toni's fault. Toni isn't the problem, he's just not the solution either.

 

[duaneeo]

Sinner was given the most ridiculously insane draw in USO history.

Oh come on. The "most ridiculously insane draw in USO history" is not one with two 90s-born players and an old man with a 3-6 record in USO finals.

And both 2005 Federer and 2010 Nadal would go through all 4 in succession.

 

[legcramp]

Nike wasted 150m on this "loser", sounds like a winner to me tbh.

 

[NeutralFan]

Yea time for a coaching change. This experiment hasn’t worked. Anyways. Don’t overreact he’s only 22. Lots of time for an ATG career. Djoker didn’t even hit his stride until he was 24 He’s got plenty of time to turn things around

When will you learn? What happened to his slam winning form?lol

 

[Sampras-Bruguera 1993]

When will you learn? What happened to his slam winning form?lol

It was going fine until the cramps. At least he kept it going with the cramps to 5 sets. How did little Carly do with cramps at RG? LOL

 

[NeutralFan]

It was going fine until the cramps. At least he kept it going with the cramps to 5 sets. How did little Carly do with cramps at RG? LOL

Lol, sure! He's favourite for the next slam ,no?

 

[Sampras-Bruguera 1993]

Lol, sure! He's favourite for the next slam ,no?

A solid coaching change (Becker or someone), Someone to help his serve and some strength training for the legs and I got Sinner winning 3 slams next year.

 

[Razer]

Yes, I drew the line at that. I was very supportive of Toni's involvement until that match. And then to gloat about it was the epitome of bad form. After that, I thought FAA should have dropped him. And yet, here we are a year later, with not even an M1000 final to show for it.

Still, I think that FAA's struggles this year have not been Toni's fault. Toni isn't the problem, he's just not the solution either.

Consciously FAA told himself that Toni is Rafa's uncle, so going against his own student is ok for family.
Subconsciously, this has struck him that his own coach whom he hired has betrayed him and wished he would lose against his rival.

FAA doesn't even realize how big a deal this is, he should have instantly parted ways with Toni when Toni said this in public. That should have been the law straw.

 

[ChaelAZ]

I got to watch almost the whole match to that last set. Of all the things I thought would be a battle, Sinner struggling with serve wasn't one of them. At least now as much as he did last night. That wasn't the only reason he lost (can talk about his choice of moments to try to change direction or go big), but I was surprised at just how much he was struggling. And then Zverev was right there banging serves.

Tough match up with those areas, but good to see Sinner making another deep run. Cahill has him incrementally improving, but would like to see just a bit more really. Time will tell.

 

[NeutralFan]

A solid coaching change (Becker or someone), Someone to help his serve and some strength training for the legs and I got Sinner winning 3 slams next year.

His problem is his movement and his lack of speed. Sinner winning 3 slams next year?lmao, you're trolling.

 

[NeutralFan]

Please. fed's USO 07 for example was tougher - Lopez, Roddick, Davy, Djokovic
Mac's 80 USO is another example - Lendl, Connors, Borg.

Davy has done zilch in slams, Z atleast made a final , Djokovic 2007 was slam less , Med is having one slam under his belt and Djokovic now is sitting with 23 slams. You're reverse @Sampras-Bruguera 1993 lol

 

[Milanez82]

Sinner 1st serve % - 54%
Zverev 1st serve % - 70%

All his important matches look like this. Sinner is consistently 10-15 percentage points behind his opponents on 1st serves - he sits at 55% while most of the tour averages 65%. In 3/4 matches at the USO he was at ~55% while his opponents were 65%+. This is not to mention he mentally shrinks in the biggest points. It doesn't matter how good his groundies are when this 6'2" dude can't find a serve or convert a break point to save his life. These are literally the 2 most important things in tennis. He's destined for nothing until he fixes this... but at least we'll have Sampras-Bruguera 1993's delusions (or trolling?) to keep us entertained along the way

Sampras Brugera is the only refreshing thing about Sinner on these boards

 

[Milanez82]

I got to watch almost the whole match to that last set. Of all the things I thought would be a battle, Sinner struggling with serve wasn't one of them. At least now as much as he did last night. That wasn't the only reason he lost (can talk about his choice of moments to try to change direction or go big), but I was surprised at just how much he was struggling. And then Zverev was right there banging serves.

Tough match up with those areas, but good to see Sinner making another deep run. Cahill has him incrementally improving, but would like to see just a bit more really. Time will tell.

4th rd isn't exactly a deep run

 

[messiahrobins]

Sinner's H2H against 7 big players on tour

01. Djokovic 0-3
02. Medvedev 0-6
03. Zverev 1-4
04. Tsistipas 2-5
05. Nadal 0-3
06. Rune 0-2
07. Alcaraz 3-3

6 - 26

18% win record

Do you still think this guy is gonna be ATG? @Sampras-Bruguera 1993 @dking68

NIKE wasted 150M $ on this loser

Yikes. That is truly abysmal.

 

[messiahrobins]

Carlos is gonna be 10 slams ahead of Sinner by the time Jannik hits his stride. lol

Shelton is coming. Got a feeling he may be Alcarazs biggest challenger.

 

[TheNachoMan]

Shelton is coming. Got a feeling he may be Alcarazs biggest challenger.

Ain’t no stopping him now.

 

[dking68]

A solid coaching change (Becker or someone), Someone to help his serve and some strength training for the legs and I got Sinner winning 3 slams next year.

Bro he ain’t winning crap until he eats 3 cows and fix that unreliable serve. He ain’t Roger Federer 2004. This guy needs time to work in his obvious weaknesses, just be honest

 

[Rosstour]

2-0 vs Ruud.

Just needs to meet Ruud in a slam final.

This is how second tier players win Slams. They find themselves in a Final after a draw falls apart, vs someone even less experienced.

 

[Rosstour]

I still don’t get that Nike deal. He has zero marketability

So dumb. Between Raducanu, Osaka, Sinner...what a joke return on your investment

They should have thrown half that money at Coco and Jess Pegula. And now they are missing out on players like Shelton

 

[Sampras-Bruguera 1993]

Bro he ain’t winning crap until he eats 3 cows and fix that unreliable serve. He ain’t Roger Federer 2004. This guy needs time to work in his obvious weaknesses, just be honest

Hence why I said the coaching change and fixing the serve. Obviously he isn't winning much until the serve/fitness/coaching staff is fixed. But these aren't difficult fixes. LOL.. He already has the foundation of the game to dominate. He just needs to fix a few things. These things can all be fixed in a few months

 

[ChrisJR3264]

It was tough, no doubt about it. But Z just got his 2nd top-10 win in a slam EVER and peak Fed/Rafa also handles Medv with relative ease.
Then we are left with Alcaraz and Djoko. Tough, but not impossible with the Meddy match in the middle to recover

And no, it's not the toughest draw in US Open history

Carlos draw last year wasn’t cake.
Baez #35 in round 1 and Jensen in round 3.
Followed up by 3 straight 5 set matches against cilic, sinner and tiafoe.

Zverev is anything but clutch. And yet he couldn’t beat him in round 4.

I don’t want to hear about sinners draw either. He had a cup cake draw in AO until the QFs and lost to sissy pants. And didn’t have anyone to play at Wimbledon.

 

[ChrisJR3264]

So dumb. Between Raducanu, Osaka, Sinner...what a joke return on your investment

They should have thrown half that money at Coco and Jess Pegula. And now they are missing out on players like Shelton

To be fair - radacanu and Osaka are atleast popular compared to sinner.

ON getting fed allowed them to recruit folks like Iga and Shelton. Just bc Nike has the money - their quality isn’t as good as new balance or aasics. Even adidas has better shoes.

 

[Rosstour]

Just bc Nike has the money - their quality isn’t as good as new balance or aasics. Even adidas has better shoes.

Lmao

PM me your dealer's name bro bc that is beyond dispensary grade

Adidas shoes are literally coming off in matches, laces breaking, athletes getting injured. Zverev and Tsitipas have had big issues with Adidas shoes

 

[Mustard]

Sinner's H2H against 7 big players on tour

01. Djokovic 0-3
02. Medvedev 0-6
03. Zverev 1-4
04. Tsistipas 2-5
05. Nadal 0-3
06. Rune 0-2
07. Alcaraz 3-3

6 - 26

18% win record

Do you still think this guy is gonna be ATG? @Sampras-Bruguera 1993 @dking68

NIKE wasted 150M $ on this loser

The Medvedev record is embarrassing. Ouch!

 

[ChrisJR3264]

Lmao

PM me your dealer's name bro bc that is beyond dispensary grade

Adidas shoes are literally coming off in matches, laces breaking, athletes getting injured. Zverev and Tsitipas have had big issues with Adidas shoes

Alrighty then. Still poor quality than new balance and aasics. Even diadora is much better than Nike shoes.

Then again Nike also has the reputation for violating child labor laws so …

 

[JoshDragon]

Sinner's H2H against 7 big players on tour

01. Djokovic 0-3
02. Medvedev 0-6
03. Zverev 1-4
04. Tsistipas 2-5
05. Nadal 0-3
06. Rune 0-2
07. Alcaraz 3-3

6 - 26

18% win record

Do you still think this guy is gonna be ATG? @Sampras-Bruguera 1993 @dking68

NIKE wasted 150M $ on this loser

Out of curiosity, how much did they waste on Naomi Osaka?

She doesn't even play anymore.

Same goes for Hemorrhoid (Nick Kyrgios.)

 

[Sampras-Bruguera 1993]

It doesn't really matter since no one is beating Nole here at the US Open. Hes out for blood after losing that Wimbledon final

 

[Incognito]

It was going fine until the cramps. At least he kept it going with the cramps to 5 sets. How did little Carly do with cramps at RG? LOL

He won the next major?

 

[Incognito]

It doesn't really matter since no one is beating Nole here at the US Open. Hes out for blood after losing that Wimbledon final

Andd if Carlos beats him again?

 

[Rosstour]

Andd if Carlos beats him again?

Then back to hyping Sinner until the next embarrassing loss

 

[TearTheRoofOff]

This is truly pathetic. The last time that Sinner played Nadal he was 19 years old. Most of these guys are in or around (presumably) the primes of their tennis career, Sinner likely, hopefully, is not. Alcaraz also isn't, and there you go... 3-3. Nike have enough brain cells to realize they can make money off this guy for a decade at least, and that 99.9% of people on the planet could not care less if he is some mythical, hypothetical ATG.



This forum is well and truly in the toilet.

Had me in the first sentence.

 

[Razer]

Hence why I said the coaching change and fixing the serve. Obviously he isn't winning much until the serve/fitness/coaching staff is fixed. But these aren't difficult fixes. LOL.. He already has the foundation of the game to dominate. He just needs to fix a few things. These things can all be fixed in a few months

At this point Sinner indeed needs Boris Becker. If I were him then I would beg before Becker to join asap and fix all the holes in the game.

 

[Omega_7000]

Sinner's H2H against 7 big players on tour

01. Djokovic 0-3
02. Medvedev 0-6
03. Zverev 1-4
04. Tsistipas 2-5
05. Nadal 0-3
06. Rune 0-2
07. Alcaraz 3-3

6 - 26

18% win record

Do you still think this guy is gonna be ATG? @Sampras-Bruguera 1993 @dking68

NIKE wasted 150M $ on this loser

Walmart Berdych

 

[Chanwan]

Carlos draw last year wasn’t cake.
Baez #35 in round 1 and Jensen in round 3.
Followed up by 3 straight 5 set matches against cilic, sinner and tiafoe.

Zverev is anything but clutch. And yet he couldn’t beat him in round 4.

I don’t want to hear about sinners draw either. He had a cup cake draw in AO until the QFs and lost to sissy pants. And didn’t have anyone to play at Wimbledon.

Not quite sure if this was meant as a reply to me

 

[InsideOut900]

Please. fed's USO 07 for example was tougher - Lopez, Roddick, Davy, Djokovic
Mac's 80 USO is another example - Lendl, Connors, Borg.

Edberg beat 4 scrubs to win his 1992 title too

 

[abmk]

Edberg beat 4 scrubs to win his 1992 title too

yep, I mentioned just 2 that came to my mind immediately here.

In the other thread:

Top 3 actually toughest ones are (not necessarily in order)

Kuerten RG 97 - Muster, med, kafel, bruguera

Wilander RG 82 - Lendl, Clerc, Higueras, Vilas

Edberg USO 92 - Krajicek, Lendl, Chang, Sampras

 

[Chanwan]

A solid coaching change (Becker or someone), Someone to help his serve and some strength training for the legs and I got Sinner winning 3 slams next year.

Love your relentness optimism/delusion.

Never mind Novak/Medvedev (who he still hasn't beat) , Alcaraz (who is also still getting better) and the rest of the top-guys he has a losing record against

 

[Chanwan]

Edberg beat 4 scrubs to win his 1992 title too

Compared to Sinner's draw that's NOTHING

 

[TheSlicer]

It was going fine until the cramps. At least he kept it going with the cramps to 5 sets. How did little Carly do with cramps at RG? LOL

Better than sinner at wimbledon with no cramps, lol

 

[Olli Jokinen]

To be fair - radacanu and Osaka are atleast popular compared to sinner.

ON getting fed allowed them to recruit folks like Iga and Shelton. Just bc Nike has the money - their quality isn’t as good as new balance or aasics. Even adidas has better shoes.

Yes, and Raducanu and Osaka have actually won something.

 

[Razer]

I think Sinner read this thread of mine and got motivated @NeutralFan @Hitman @BorgTheGOAT ..... He should be thanking me for motivating him

Maybe Sinner thinks he can turn things around like Federer did ?

Roger had losing h2h to Hewitt (2-6), Kafelnikov (2-4), Henman (1-4), Corretja (1-3), Rafter (0-3), Agassi (0-3), Ferrero (1-2), Nalbandian (0-2), Ancic (0-1) at the end of 2002

7-28 H2H

See I compared him to Federer too back then and asked if he can turn it around like that, looks like he is a member of TTW.

 

[toby55555]

He’s legit.

 

[NeutralFan]

Turn around was remarkable

 

[ibbi]

14-5 in the past 12 months.