Sinner is the first true number 1 that tennis has had since the big three took up that position on and off

[Winner Sinner]

Today is a day of celebrations for Jannik Sinner, awarded (and baptized by Boris Becker) for his year-end number 1 in front of his fans.
First Italian tennis player to do so.
29th number 1 in the history of the computerized system but 19th capable of closing at least one season at the top of the rankings.

Yet beyond these statistical data a reflection arises spontaneously;

Since the beginning of 2004 Federer became number 1 for the first time, well from that moment on, for 20 years the most coveted position has been the prerogative of the big three with the only exceptions being Murray 2016 and Medvedev and Alcaraz 2022/2023.
But they were all impromptu situations resulting from particular circumstances, and in one case (that of Medvedev) they didn't even end the year at number 1.

All this to say that this is truly the first time since the big three established their dictatorship in which one has the feeling that a tennis player who is not actually called Federer, Nadal or Djokovic, is not only deserving of occupying that position, but it also gives you that feeling that this is just the beginning of a reign at the top that is destined to last for a long time.
And by long time I don't mean continuously like Federer 2004-2008, but with great frequency like Djokovic 2011-2023.

 

[inflation_era]

Let's see if he can attain the greatest #1 statistic of all time, that being consecutive weeks at #1. The holder of that record is likely the greatest of all time.

 

[Winner Sinner]

The first of a long series...

 

[Winner Sinner]

Let's see if he can attain the greatest #1 statistic of all time, that being consecutive weeks at #1. The holder of that record is likely the greatest of all time.

From this point of view, it is much more complicated to beat Federer's record of consecutive weeks at number 1, rather than Djokovic's record of total number of weeks at the top of the ranking.

Two absurd records but Federer's borders on illegality.
Staying in first position for so long without interruption means not allowing yourself to decline for almost an entire four years. Folly.

 

[The Guru]

Stop being so insecure Sinner fans. Follow the model of the man himself. He's not out there spitting nonsense constantly talking up how great he is beyond what he's done and putting down his rivals. The Sinner fanbase tries so hard to legitimize him and prop him up all it does is annoy everyone else and make them like him less through no fault of Sinner himself.

 

[inflation_era]

From this point of view, it is much more complicated to beat Federer's record of consecutive weeks at number 1, rather than Djokovic's record of total number of weeks at the top of the ranking.

Two absurd records but Federer's borders on illegality.
Staying in first position for so long without interruption means not allowing yourself to decline for almost an entire four years. Folly.

Not to mention the fact that the majority of Djokovic's #1 weeks were added due to an extremely weak era that allowed him to accumulate more slams after 30 than before. Shameful.

 

[JoshDragon]

Today is a day of celebrations for Jannik Sinner, awarded (and baptized by Boris Becker) for his year-end number 1 in front of his fans.
First Italian tennis player to do so.
29th number 1 in the history of the computerized system but 19th capable of closing at least one season at the top of the rankings.

Yet beyond these statistical data a reflection arises spontaneously;

Since the beginning of 2004 Federer became number 1 for the first time, well from that moment on, for 20 years the most coveted position has been the prerogative of the big three with the only exceptions being Murray 2016 and Medvedev and Alcaraz 2022/2023.
But they were all impromptu situations resulting from particular circumstances, and in one case (that of Medvedev) they didn't even end the year at number 1.

All this to say that this is truly the first time since the big three established their dictatorship in which one has the feeling that a tennis player who is not actually called Federer, Nadal or Djokovic, is not only deserving of occupying that position, but it also gives you that feeling that this is just the beginning of a reign at the top that is destined to last for a long time.
And by long time I don't mean continuously like Federer 2004-2008, but with great frequency like Djokovic 2011-2023.

The same dude that's going to be banned next year for doping? Lol. This is one lame attempt at trolling.

 

[GloW]

I honestly don't think there has been a "true" number one yet since djokovic other than Thiem, Murray, and Stan.

 

[vokazu]

Also the first #1 that is tested positive twice for doping.

 

[Mainad]

Lol...so Sinner is a "truer" no.1 than Murray or Alcaraz?

What a crock of you-know-what!!!

 

[GloW]

Lol...so Sinner is a "truer" no.1 than Murray or Alcaraz?

What a crock of you-know-what!!!

yup that's just wrong although you could argue that Alcaraz was not a true number one

 

[Maddamhussein]

Lol...so Sinner is a "truer" no.1 than Murray or Alcaraz?

What a crock of you-know-what!!!

Sinner isn’t making up a 9000 point gap either.

Not that that matters much, these lot are so predictable. Any excuse to undermine Murray and get on their knees for the Big 3 and these ballbashers.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Lol...so Sinner is a "truer" no.1 than Murray or Alcaraz?

What a crock of you-know-what!!!

Murray is legit number 1.

Carlos is political number 1. No one believed he was number 1 when nole came back and immediately put down the hammer on him.

 

[Lleytonstation]

Let's see if he can attain the greatest #1 statistic of all time, that being consecutive weeks at #1. The holder of that record is likely the greatest of all time.

237 baby

 

[Lleytonstation]

Lol...so Sinner is a "truer" no.1 than Murray or Alcaraz?

What a crock of you-know-what!!!

That season and the end to me exemplifies number one. It cost him everything too.

 

[vokazu]

Let's see if he can attain the greatest #1 statistic of all time, that being consecutive weeks at #1. The holder of that record is likely the greatest of all time.

Fed never won Rome, Monte Carlo and Olympics singles Gold. He's no GOAT.

 

[inflation_era]

Fed never won Rome, Monte Carlo and Olympics singles Gold. He's no GOAT.

Attainments in the weak era don't mean much, everything past 2016, lol.

 

[ghostofMecir]

Lol...so Sinner is a "truer" no.1 than Murray or Alcaraz?

What a crock of you-know-what!!!

He’s more dominant over the tour than either. Now, we can parse things out a bit here, but on a point by point, game by game, set by set basis, he’s the most dominant player since the big three,

 

[ghostofMecir]

Fed never won Rome, Monte Carlo and Olympics singles Gold. He's no GOAT.

He also played with the biggest handicap in the power baseline era and still won as much he did while playing aesthetically pleasing tennis. There’s definitely an argument for GOAT.

 

[vokazu]

Attainments in the weak era don't mean much, everything past 2016, lol.

Baghdatis Philippoussis Gonzalez era doesn't mean much lol

 

[Mainad]

He’s more dominant over the tour than either. Now, we can parse things out a bit here, but on a point by point, game by game, set by set basis, he’s the most dominant player since the big three,

Granted but that doesn't mean the others weren't 'true' no.1s. Thety earned it, especially Murray.

 

[ghostofMecir]

Granted but that doesn't mean the others weren't 'true' no.1s. Thety earned it, especially Murray.

Oh definitely

 

[Aussie Darcy]

Murray is legit number 1.

Carlos is political number 1. No one believed he was number 1 when nole came back and immediately put down the hammer on him.

This is a ridiculous thing to post. Novak came back and put down the hammer on him?

Tell me babe, who won Wimbledon 2023? And when you tell me Alcaraz, remind me who he beat in that final?

That's right.

And Alcaraz walked away with #1 after Wimbledon, spanking your boy Novak in that final. How can you call that political?

Even if you want to falsely say that Alcaraz got to #1 due to Covid the first time, when he got to #1 several other times, it was deserved. So your post is a joke and you should rectify it

 

[MichaelNadal]

This is a ridiculous thing to post. Novak came back and put down the hammer on him?

Tell me babe, who won Wimbledon 2023? And when you tell me Alcaraz, remind me who he beat in that final?

That's right.

And Alcaraz walked away with #1 after Wimbledon, spanking your boy Novak in that final. How can you call that political?

Even if you want to falsely say that Alcaraz got to #1 due to Covid the first time, when he got to #1 several other times, it was deserved. So your post is a joke and you should rectify it

And 2024

 

[nolefam_2024]

This is a ridiculous thing to post. Novak came back and put down the hammer on him?

Tell me babe, who won Wimbledon 2023? And when you tell me Alcaraz, remind me who he beat in that final?

That's right.

And Alcaraz walked away with #1 after Wimbledon, spanking your boy Novak in that final. How can you call that political?

Even if you want to falsely say that Alcaraz got to #1 due to Covid the first time, when he got to #1 several other times, it was deserved. So your post is a joke and you should rectify it

I am not your babe. It was 3-1 and raz was beaten soundly.

2022 fake number 1
2023 number 2
2024 number 3.


Raz got too much too soon and I am very angry. Nole is our guy and he had to fight off two greats. Raz got to number 1 when they banned nole for 50% of the tournaments. And robbed Wimbledon pts. It is what it is. No amount of babe calling will help

 

[Aussie Darcy]

And 2024

But but but he's a "political number 1". Lmao. 4 slams, 2 of which he defeated Djokovic in the final but yeah "politics* is the reason he got the top spot. It's like they don't even hear themselves?

 

[Aussie Darcy]

I am not your babe. It was 3-1 and raz was beaten soundly.

2022 fake number 1
2023 number 2
2024 number 3.


Raz got too much too soon and I am very angry. Nole is our guy and he had to fight off two greats. Raz got to number 1 when they banned nole for 50% of the tournaments. And robbed Wimbledon pts. It is what it is. No amount of babe calling will help

Sorry what? It was 3-1? Carlos won 2 of the first matches against Novak.

When Alcaraz got to #1 the first time he led the H2H over Novak.

When he got it again, he had spanked Novak in the Wimbledon final. How's that political? Alcaraz deserved it.

He even did it again in this years Wimbledon final, handing your boy Novak BACK TO BACK Wimbledon final losses. Political still?

For you to say he's only #1 due to politics either shows how little you know about tennis or how little you respect Alcaraz.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Sorry what? It was 3-1?

When Alcaraz got to #1 the first time he led the H2H over Novak.

When he got it again, he had spanked Novak in the Wimbledon final. How's that political?

He even did it again in this years Wimbledon final, handing your boy Novak BACK TO BACK slam final losses.

For you to say he's only #1 due to politics shows how little you know about sport and how little you respect Alcaraz.

Yeah damn that. One win doesn't give you number 1. Raz can have that Madrid. Give us back number 1. That's it.

Number 1 needs dominance. Not some small patches.

 

[Aussie Darcy]

Yeah damn that. One win doesn't give you number 1. Raz can have that Madrid. Give us back number 1. That's it.

Number 1 needs dominance. Not some small patches.

He beat Novak in the 2023 Wimbledon final to regain number 1.

How can you sit there and say that was political?

You should apologize and rectify that Alcaraz was a deserving number 1. Because he got there. And he got there by BEATING NOVAK in the Wimbledon final last year.

Can you admit that? That's not a small patch.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Your Aussie guy and now Biden are both thrown out of office now. Karma is you know

He beat Novak in the 2023 Wimbledon final to regain number 1.

How can you sit there and say that was political?

You should apologize and rectify that Alcaraz was a deserving number 1. Because he got there. And he got there by BEATING NOVAK in the Wimbledon final last year.

Can you admit that? That's not a small patch.

 

[Aussie Darcy]

I'll tell you what @nolefam_2024, you can say Alcaraz didn't deserve #1 the first time he got it when Novak got banned from playing the USO cause he's an anti vaxxer.

But you have to admit he deserved #1 when he beat Djokovic at Wimbledon in 2023 and therefore regained #1.

That wasn't political, that was all him.

 

[Aussie Darcy]

Your Aussie guy and now Biden are both thrown out of office now. Karma is you know

Why are you talking about Biden? And what Aussie guy are you talking about? Do you need to see a doctor?

Maybe seek some treatment cause i'm getting worried for you now?

 

[nolefam_2024]

I'll tell you what @nolefam_2024, you can say Alcaraz didn't deserve #1 the first time he got it when Novak got banned from playing the USO cause he's an anti vaxxer.

But you have to admit he deserved #1 when he beat Djokovic at Wimbledon in 2023 and therefore regained #1.

That wasn't political, that was all him.

No freaking way he deserved it. Nole was still banned for last 52 weeks. Only post usopen was it fair and Nole took the ranking back at usopen never giving it back.

Iw Miami Canada Cincy usopen. Just allowing the race points doesn't give you anything. Nole was still banned in 2022 when he was at his best.

 

[Aussie Darcy]

No freaking way he deserved it. Nole was still banned for last 52 weeks. Only post usopen was it fair and Nole took the ranking back at usopen never giving it back.

Iw Miami Canada Cincy usopen. Just allowing the race points doesn't give you anything. Nole was still banned in 2022 when he was at his best.

Can you tell me, who did Alcaraz beat to regain number 1 at Wimbledon in 2023?

 

[nolefam_2024]

Why are you talking about Biden? And what Aussie guy are you talking about? Do you need to see a doctor?

Maybe seek some treatment cause i'm getting worried for you now?

Morrison kicked out of office
Biden now kicked out of office

All the pandemic guys are gone now. Nole had immunity and these prisoners of their own political ideology banned him for no reason. Now suffer.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Can you tell me, who did Alcaraz beat to regain number 1 at Wimbledon in 2023?

Who the damn cares if raz wins Wimbledon. It means he won a slam.

Ranking is far more than that. It's about dominance.

 

[Aussie Darcy]

Morrison kicked out of office
Biden now kicked out of office

All the pandemic guys are gone now. Nole had immunity and these prisoners of their own political ideology banned him for no reason. Now suffer.

Why are you talking about Biden and Morrison? I think you need to seek help...

 

[nolefam_2024]

Why are you talking about Biden and Morrison? I think you need to seek help...

No way I am seeking help.
Biden Morrison we will always remember 2022.

 

[Aussie Darcy]

No way I am seeking help.
Biden Morrison we will always remember 2022.

Why are you talking about them.... are you stuck in 2022 when Djokovic was relevant?

Remember when Alcaraz spanked your boy in back to back Wimbledon finals? Good times.

You keep thinking of Biden though babes.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Why are you talking about them.... are you stuck in 2022 when Djokovic was relevant?

Remember when Alcaraz spanked your boy in back to back Wimbledon finals? Good times.

You keep thinking of Biden though babes.

You can say whatever you want. Yes nole is old but we won't forget it ever. I am not like other members who says it's past. We are never forgetting it.

 

[nolefam_2024]

He also played with the biggest handicap in the power baseline era and still won as much he did while playing aesthetically pleasing tennis. There’s definitely an argument for GOAT.

Aesthetics don't give a single extra pt at all. Roger Federer would himself deny this.

 

[ppma]

You post these things without feeling embarrassed.

 

[ghostofMecir]

Aesthetics don't give a single extra pt at all. Roger Federer would himself deny this.

The term GoAT is subjective anyway. Playing an aesthetic game based on timing while playing in the era of baseline power while playing with the biggest handicap of all, i.e., a one-handed backhand with a relatively tiny racket made for a bygone era, and STILL winning as much as he did including a winning dominance ratio over Djokovic (one of two players who has a leading DR vs him who have played more than four matches) gives him a possible case for GoAT.

 

[nolefam_2024]

The term GoAT is subjective anyway. Playing an aesthetic game based on timing while playing in the era of baseline power while playing with the biggest handicap of all, i.e., a one-handed backhand with a relatively tiny racket made for a bygone era, and STILL winning as much as he did including a winning dominance ratio over Djokovic (one of two players who has a leading DR vs him who have played more than four matches) gives him a possible case for GoAT.

For many it's not subjective at all. It's about numbers. Yes a minority of the base can have any definition possible.

But at the end it comes down to numbers.

 

[Winner Sinner]

Lol...so Sinner is a "truer" no.1 than Murray or Alcaraz?

What a crock of you-know-what!!!

I see that usually it is difficult to understand the meaning of a thread.
No one denies that Murray, Medvedev and Alcaraz were number 1, including two of them at the end of the season.
The focal point is that in those moments no one thought they were real number 1s but more of an impromptu thing.


Murray hoisted himself to No. 1 as Djokovic began his momentary downward spiral while Fedal was just emerging from their moment of apathy.

There's no need to talk about Alcaraz, in practice he exploited the ban on Djokovic from participating in many important tournaments to climb to the top of the rankings, from the Australian Open 2022 up to the Sunshine Double 2023. Djokovic, who was unquestionably the best tennis player in the world, was unable accumulate important points to certify his indisputable virtual leadership, which became real as soon as he was allowed to participate in all the tournaments he wanted.

Now with Sinner the situation is totally different given that he is dominating the rankings at a time where the big three have either left the scene, or as in the case of Djokovic they no longer have the ability to aspire to the top of the rankings due to physical wear and tear due at age.

In essence, Sinner's reign arrived at the most opportune moment in giving continuity to what the big three had sown and their ability to constantly be points of reference for the circuit in the rankings.
If you want to become number 1 you know how far you will have to go.

 

[Winner Sinner]

The same dude that's going to be banned next year for doping? Lol. This is one lame attempt at trolling.

In the event he will not be banned for doping but for objective responsibility towards the behavior of some members of his staff.

Learn to inform yourself before wanting to make rude irony.

 

[Tennfan123]

Oh lord.

 

[SonnyT]

Hyperbole! Slow down, lad!

 

[Aussie Darcy]

I see that usually it is difficult to understand the meaning of a thread.
No one denies that Murray, Medvedev and Alcaraz were number 1, including two of them at the end of the season.
The focal point is that in those moments no one thought they were real number 1s but more of an impromptu thing.


Murray hoisted himself to No. 1 as Djokovic began his momentary downward spiral while Fedal was just emerging from their moment of apathy.

There's no need to talk about Alcaraz, in practice he exploited the ban on Djokovic from participating in many important tournaments to climb to the top of the rankings, from the Australian Open 2022 up to the Sunshine Double 2023. Djokovic, who was unquestionably the best tennis player in the world, was unable accumulate important points to certify his indisputable virtual leadership, which became real as soon as he was allowed to participate in all the tournaments he wanted.

Now with Sinner the situation is totally different given that he is dominating the rankings at a time where the big three have either left the scene, or as in the case of Djokovic they no longer have the ability to aspire to the top of the rankings due to physical wear and tear due at age.

In essence, Sinner's reign arrived at the most opportune moment in giving continuity to what the big three had sown and their ability to constantly be points of reference for the circuit in the rankings.
If you want to become number 1 you know how far you will have to go.

 

[Subway Tennis]

I’m a Sinner fanboy, and I admire the “poptimism” of the OP celebrating a new YE 1, but a little perspective and a brief history lesson would indicate that the most likely scenario over the next 5 years is a musical chair at the top of the game being shared by Alcaraz and Sinner.

This is the biggest talent gap a duet of players has had over the field since Fedal, and it is not going to change until the deadly younger generation like Mensik and Fonseca matures. SinnCaraz’s only threats are each other, and they are both good enough to snatch the momentum back and forth from each other.

So as it stands it feels much less like the start of a reigning / recurrent dominant No. 1 and much more like a very entertaining duopoly that will unfold.

Looking forward, Sinner’s ability to hold his ranking line is huge because he is so consistent across all surfaces, but the threat from Alcaraz will occur as early as clay season next year, if not sooner depending on whether Jannik can backup his superb start to this season.

Carlitos barely played any lead up events to RG last year. He has a massive points differential to benefit from and he is also likely to repeat at RG.