Sinner is what people thought Carlos would be

Tallawah Tennis said:
Excellent points, man, highlighting an important fact. Carlitos off form for a while, yet achieving some incredible success despite that, making records too. Youngest player to win the Channel Slam/ to win a GS on all 3 surfaces. Incredible. His record on defending titles is good too, this year winning IW & Wimbly again. And, at first attempt, reached the Olympics final & won a silver. Sure, his level is down on hard courts, but solid overall. Agree, very positive platform for developing future success, and fitness permitting it is likely that Carlitos will continue to excel. I certainly hope so.


Especially as he currently trumps Jannik. At this stage, putting Jannik ahead is factually incorrect.
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Ttw is plagued by recency bias, hence Sinner & Carlos keep changing roles between world beating multiple CYGS champions and absolute mugs.
 
Lleytonstation said:
Very fair. However, I think HCs are going to be tough for him to beat Sinner as Sinner progresses and builds confidence. Sinner will improve and be a dominant force on grass.

All that said, @FeroBango @Aussie Darcy and many others in this thread have very fair arguments as to why Carlos will be progresses even more as he is younger and has been already more successful. I just disagree, and as we know, I am never wrong, lol.
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In my opinion, when these two play, neither is going to have an easy time no matter which surface they play upon; unless either one is in a poor physical shape.
Due to their matchup dynamics, they'd be at each other's throat whenever they play.
 
Aussie Darcy said:
Why doesn’t Sinner have more slams despite being 2 years older? Why did he lose (funnily enough) to Alcaraz at the French Open and then to Medvedev at Wimbledon? It’s almost like he’s not got a more consistent shot and play and game plan since he’s 3 slams behind Carlos despite being 2 years younger? No?
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I agree but I doubt he’ll be 3 slams behind for long, Especially considering he’s playing Fritz In the final.
 
messiahrobins said:
Watched the USO 2022 final the other day, Alcaraz on hard courts has regressed significantly since then, especially the BH and return
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The return thing is something that started in Wimbledon. He's starting to return in very weird positions and he's being aced much much more than in the past (2023)

Aussie Darcy said:
Why doesn’t Sinner have more slams despite being 2 years older? Why did he lose (funnily enough) to Alcaraz at the French Open and then to Medvedev at Wimbledon? It’s almost like he’s not got a more consistent shot and play and game plan since he’s 3 slams behind Carlos despite being 2 years younger? No?
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When they say that they mean he's more consistent because he's a baseline robot, while Carlos is an all court player with an aggresive game style. Some are thrilling that Sinner brings again the boring tennis that Djokovic has been playing for 13 years.
 
Sinner does not have a bigger potential than Alcaraz, some people are deluded.

It's also a good thing Alcaraz didn't turn out to be like Sinner, aura-less, robot, factory tuned, boring...give me the gimmicky, eccentric, exciting one any day of the week.
 
Sephiroth said:
Sinner does not have a bigger potential than Alcaraz, some people are deluded.

It's also a good thing Alcaraz didn't turn out to be like Sinner, aura-less, robot, factory tuned, boring...give me the gimmicky, eccentric, exciting one any day of the week.
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Yes he doesn't have the potential to get his arss handed to him in straights on HC by a perennial journeyman.
 
NeutralFan said:
Yes he doesn't have the potential to get his arss handed to him in straights on HC by a perennial journeyman.
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2022 Paris R64 - Marc Andrea Huesler def. Jannik Sinner 62 63
2022 Davis Cup Finals RR: ITA vs SWE - Mikael Ymer Def. Jannik Sinner 64 36 63
2022 Canada Master's R16 - Pablo Carreno Busta Def. Jannik Sinner 62 64
2022 Miami master's QF - Francisco Cerundolo Def. Jannik Sinner 4-1 Ret.
2022 Australian Open QF - Stefanos Tsitsipas Def. Jannik Sinner 63 64 62
 
People thought Alcaraz would be a 1 slam champion? 2 slam champion? Thats all sinner is at the moment, maybe the title of the thread should have been, sinner Will be what people thought Alcaraz would be, but then It Will show the true esence of your thought, wishful thinking basically
 
Rafa4LifeEver said:
2022 Paris R64 - Marc Andrea Huesler def. Jannik Sinner 62 63
2022 Davis Cup Finals RR: ITA vs SWE - Mikael Ymer Def. Jannik Sinner 64 36 63
2022 Canada Master's R16 - Pablo Carreno Busta Def. Jannik Sinner 62 64
2022 Miami master's QF - Francisco Cerundolo Def. Jannik Sinner 4-1 Ret.
2022 Australian Open QF - Stefanos Tsitsipas Def. Jannik Sinner 63 64 62
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Pre prime Sinner with zero slam and in slams he didn't lose in straight to a journeyman lol.
 
Rafa4LifeEver said:
2022 Paris R64 - Marc Andrea Huesler def. Jannik Sinner 62 63
2022 Davis Cup Finals RR: ITA vs SWE - Mikael Ymer Def. Jannik Sinner 64 36 63
2022 Canada Master's R16 - Pablo Carreno Busta Def. Jannik Sinner 62 64
2022 Miami master's QF - Francisco Cerundolo Def. Jannik Sinner 4-1 Ret.
2022 Australian Open QF - Stefanos Tsitsipas Def. Jannik Sinner 63 64 62
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Speaking of Davis cup...

1 > 0

... just sayin
 
FeroBango said:
It's asinine I tell ya. He was the next big thing after the QF run way back in 2020, naturally, a couple of years before Alcaraz' 2022.
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First slam QF before Alcaraz made his first; entered top 100, 50, 20 & 10 before Alcaraz did; and yet our throats get shoven down with the propaganda that he is a late bloomer and somehow entered his prime LATER than the 2 years younger Alcaraz.
 
Rafa4LifeEver said:
1.80 m,
Just saying.
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1.72 m after thurough investigation.

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Rafa4LifeEver said:
How exactly was he pre prime if he entered top10 in 2021 & played the YEC.
Stupid argument.
Clobestol is the difference between 2022 & late 2023-2024 Sinner. without that he'd be a threat, not a consistent challanger.
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Lol he just won cinci and uso back to back without being challenged.
 
Lleytonstation said:
Lol he just won cinci and uso back to back without being challenged.
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Granted that he is the massive odds on favorite to win the USO, but he's yet to lift the trophy. Let him complete the job first.
And Cincy wasn't without challanges either.

Whatever he wins, how much he accomplishes will always be tarnished, because he's been doping his way to success & got caught twice, got his @$$ saved only because he is #1.
 
Rafa4LifeEver said:
Granted that he is the massive odds on favorite to win the USO, but he's yet to lift the trophy. Let him complete the job first.
And Cincy wasn't without challanges either.

Whatever he wins, how much he accomplishes will always be tarnished, because he's been doping his way to success & got caught twice, got his @$$ saved only because he is #1.
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Guess it helps being the best player in the world.

Nothing will be tarnished though. His slam numbers and weeks at number one won't have an asterisk.
 
Lleytonstation said:
Guess it helps being the best player in the world.

Nothing will be tarnished though. His slam numbers and weeks at number one won't have an asterisk.
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The new Lance Armstrong of tennis World must be exposed and banned for 1 year, get stripped off of all his post-2022 achievements. That's how justice must be served.
 
Lleytonstation said:
So he wasn't banned? He got off. It is what it is. We could go in circles, but as of now, he has no asterisks and is about to have 2 slams.
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There are many guilty people who don't get punished, despite being proven guilty; because of their connections, with the power brokers or the powerful people; Sinner is one of them.
Our previous prime minister Mr. Boris Johnson is another example.
 
Lleytonstation said:
Sinner has progressed this year and is continuing to. Right now, he is better on HCs and that is the most important surface. It will bleed into Grass (not that he has been bad). It is also why he is number one.

Sinner is clearly more consistent on all surfaces as a whole hence the rankings blowout. I see it continuing to improve. Today, I believe Sinner is better on ANY HC, and by WC next year I believe he will be right with Carlos the Shepherd on grass.

Carlos loses his matches not because of talent or mental toughness, but consistency.
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Sinner’s proble
Lleytonstation said:
Sinner has progressed this year and is continuing to. Right now, he is better on HCs and that is the most important surface. It will bleed into Grass (not that he has been bad). It is also why he is number one.

Sinner is clearly more consistent on all surfaces as a whole hence the rankings blowout. I see it continuing to improve. Today, I believe Sinner is better on ANY HC, and by WC next year I believe he will be right with Carlos the Shepherd on grass.

Carlos loses his matches not because of talent or mental toughness, but consistency.
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Sinner’s problem is he is built like Gumby. I look at his physique and it doesn’t scream durability. He’s built similar to Guga Kuerten another slender big ball striker.
 
Also, the German commentator said Sinner lost a lot of weight after the doping incident in March due to stress.
Yes, sure. Lolll
 
Lleytonstation said:
In just a few months, Sinner will be one back.
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People learned nothing from seeing Djokovic getting rewarded with slam race. Sinner is like Djokovic but more aggressive and a worse serve than prime Djoker. Imagine what Sinner can do with a bigger serve ? His shots are very heavy, deep and powerful, imagine this with him making very few error? Game over for the field.
 
NeutralFan said:
People learned nothing from seeing Djokovic getting rewarded with slam race. Sinner is like Djokovic but more aggressive and a worse serve than prime Djoker. Imagine what Sinner can do with a bigger serve ? His shots are very heavy, deep and powerful, imagine this with him making very few error? Game over for the field.
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They also forget about Rafa winning 9 slams before Djoker won 2. Head start means nothing. Being younger means nothing either, just means he put more miles when he was younger and hit his prime earlier.
 
Lleytonstation said:
They also forget about Rafa winning 9 slams before Djoker won 2. Head start means nothing. Being younger means nothing either, just means he put more miles when he was younger and hit his prime earlier.
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Being younger menat something if Carlos improved but he seems to have regressed, same mindless tennis from him since he came on scene. Channel slam got people fooled that he had a an average last 14 months. Comparision with Rafa is futile since Rafa actually had a brilliant tennis mind but a bad coach in Toni.
 
NeutralFan said:
People learned nothing from seeing Djokovic getting rewarded with slam race. Sinner is like Djokovic but more aggressive and a worse serve than prime Djoker. Imagine what Sinner can do with a bigger serve ? His shots are very heavy, deep and powerful, imagine this with him making very few error? Game over for the field.
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Once he figures out clay and grass more it’s over for the field. He might even by next year. He’s a force of nature and I feel for the field going forward. He’s the human wrecking ball machine destroying all in his path!
 
NeutralFan said:
Being younger menat something if Carlos improved but he seems to have regressed, same mindless tennis from him since he came on scene. Channel slam got people fooled that he had a an average last 14 months. Comparision with Rafa is futile since Rafa actually had a brilliant tennis mind but a bad coach in Toni.
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Don't confuse burnout with the varied high IQ tennis he used to twice beat Djokovic at Wimbledon.
 
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