Sinner must be stopped

Must the Sinner be stopped?

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travlerajm

travlerajm

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I don’t dislike Sinner. But let’s be honest. The guy looks awkward when he squats to pop up a low volley.

It’s just difficult for me to come to terms with a Wimbledon champion who doesn’t volley like a fiend.

Historically, we’ve been saved from such a fate:

Mac, Becker, Cash, and Edberg saved us from Lendl (whose volleys were outright genius compared to today’s kids’).

Federer faithfully did his job to deny volley-poor Andy of taking home a title trophy.

Rafa made sure Big Berd didn’t win with his putrid oafish net game.

Later Muzz helped make sure servebot Milos couldn’t serve his way to a title with his NextGen net game.

And finally Djoker served as gatekeeper to keep ugly volleyers like Berry and Shapo from reaching the promised land.

Who will step up and protect the hallowed Wimbledon tradition of grasscourt net prowess from being blemished by a Sinner victory?
 
travlerajm said:
It’s just difficult for me to come to terms with a Wimbledon champion who doesn’t volley like a fiend.
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The last time Wimbledon was won by someone who could volley like a fiend was 24 years ago with Sampras. No one in modern tennis will ever volley like Pete (or Edberg, Becker, Mac). They've been playing pure baseline tennis there since 2002/03. I hate it too, but it's not changing unless they bring back the slick, super fast grass of the 70's-90's.
 
Sinner fans must be stopped. This place has reached a new low with that lot they're already worse than any of the Big 3 fanbases were at their most toxic. I have nothing against Sinner other than I don't love the aesthetics of his game and I'm actively rooting for him to lose early just so this place isn't filled with incessant Sinner nonsense for the whole tournament.
 
The Guru said:
Sinner fans must be stopped. This place has reached a new low with that lot they're already worse than any of the Big 3 fanbases were at their most toxic. I have nothing against Sinner other than I don't love the aesthetics of his game and I'm actively rooting for him to lose early just so this place isn't filled with incessant Sinner nonsense for the whole tournament.
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I respectfully disagree with the your first 2 statements, but concur with the 3rd.

I welcome Sinner’s fans and their enthusiasm.
 
The Guru said:
Sinner fans must be stopped. This place has reached a new low with that lot they're already worse than any of the Big 3 fanbases were at their most toxic. I have nothing against Sinner other than I don't love the aesthetics of his game and I'm actively rooting for him to lose early just so this place isn't filled with incessant Sinner nonsense for the whole tournament.
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RELAX. It's just 3 guys:

@NeutralFan
@dking68
@Humble Crumble
 
The Guru said:
Sinner fans must be stopped. This place has reached a new low with that lot they're already worse than any of the Big 3 fanbases were at their most toxic. I have nothing against Sinner other than I don't love the aesthetics of his game and I'm actively rooting for him to lose early just so this place isn't filled with incessant Sinner nonsense for the whole tournament.
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You whine and moan about a couple of threads but this is so outweighed by the unwarranted negativity regarding his existence that it simply makes me want to defend him. How can you be so mad at people being enthusiastic about their favourite player? You come across as a nasty piece of work. That’s my perspective.

I say this as someone who has never rubbished anyone except Raducanu, and that’s really the media’s fault.
 
GAS said:
RELAX. It's just 3 guys:

@NeutralFan
@dking68
@Humble Crumble
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BeatlesFan said:
The last time Wimbledon was won by someone who could volley like a fiend was 24 years ago with Sampras. No one in modern tennis will ever volley like Pete (or Edberg, Becker, Mac). They've been playing pure baseline tennis there since 2002/03. I hate it too, but it's not changing unless they bring back the slick, super fast grass of the 70's-90's.
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This is true. When I watched some of the Edberg/Becker Wimbledon final from 1990 this week, having posted it to show some Edberg shanks, I was really impressed with Becker's volleying. Nothing quite on a par with the Edberg volley at 5-4 30-15 in the fifth that took him to championship point, but still a good amount better than even the very best players of recent decades. And Becker also hit some really good passing shots and returns of serve that today's single handers could stand to watch.

Still, it's a question of degree. Federer at least sliced his backhand a fair amount, which is a nod to past grass-court play. (Steffi Graf didn't serve and volley, but she was still more successful at Wimbledon than at any other slam, in part because of her slice backhand).
 
travlerajm said:
I don’t dislike Sinner. But let’s be honest. The guy looks awkward when he squats to pop up a low volley.

It’s just difficult for me to come to terms with a Wimbledon champion who doesn’t volley like a fiend.

Historically, we’ve been saved from such a fate:

Mac, Becker, Cash, and Edberg saved us from Lendl (whose volleys were outright genius compared to today’s kids’).

Federer faithfully did his job to deny volley-poor Andy of taking home a title trophy.

Rafa made sure Big Berd didn’t win with his putrid oafish net game.

Later Muzz helped make sure servebot Milos couldn’t serve his way to a title with his NextGen net game.

And finally Djoker served as gatekeeper to keep ugly volleyers like Berry and Shapo from reaching the promised land.

Who will step up and protect the hallowed Wimbledon tradition of grasscourt net prowess from being blemished by a Sinner victory?
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Sinner's not even a contender, he couldn't even win a set vs. Djokovic last year at Wimbledon.
His best was in 2022 when he won a couple of sets vs. Djokovic, but folded meekly after that.
And now he's wasted all his energy on Halle, after looking spent at Roland Garros...
The pretend Italian is about to be eliminated, and probably by the real Italian.
So forget Sinner, and celebrate the defending RG-Wimbledon champ Alcaraz, who is currently 2-0 vs. Sinner in 2024.
 
travlerajm said:
I don’t dislike Sinner. But let’s be honest. The guy looks awkward when he squats to pop up a low volley.

It’s just difficult for me to come to terms with a Wimbledon champion who doesn’t volley like a fiend.

Historically, we’ve been saved from such a fate:

Mac, Becker, Cash, and Edberg saved us from Lendl (whose volleys were outright genius compared to today’s kids’).

Federer faithfully did his job to deny volley-poor Andy of taking home a title trophy.

Rafa made sure Big Berd didn’t win with his putrid oafish net game.

Later Muzz helped make sure servebot Milos couldn’t serve his way to a title with his NextGen net game.

And finally Djoker served as gatekeeper to keep ugly volleyers like Berry and Shapo from reaching the promised land.

Who will step up and protect the hallowed Wimbledon tradition of grasscourt net prowess from being blemished by a Sinner victory?
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As long as Djokovic is in the draw, Berdych 2.0 isn't going to win Wimbledon this year.
 
helterskelter said:
I was really impressed with Becker's volleying. Nothing quite on a par with Edberg....

Still, it's a question of degree. Federer at least sliced his backhand a fair amount, which is a nod to past grass-court play
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I was an enormous Fed fan and he was a better volleyer than anyone from 2003-2022, but he still was nothing as a volleyer compared to Mac, Becker, Edberg or Pete. Fed had a beautiful game on all surfaces and was sublime to watch on grass, but he rarely approached the net as much as he should have.

Did you not watch Boris when he was an active player, you sound surprised he was such an outstanding volleyer. I'd definitely put Boris top 10 all time in volleying and top 5 from 1980-to current days. I sure wish we had players like Boris and Stefan now!
 
The Guru said:
Sinner fans must be stopped. This place has reached a new low with that lot they're already worse than any of the Big 3 fanbases were at their most toxic. I have nothing against Sinner other than I don't love the aesthetics of his game and I'm actively rooting for him to lose early just so this place isn't filled with incessant Sinner nonsense for the whole tournament.
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Says someone whose fellow Djokovic bots had people like .Nadal django , pj80 and other nuts who wished injury and harm to Nadal ffs. Your hypocrisy is just another level clown .did you ever call out your fellow bots?now you have are calling other fans worst. Did Sinner fans wish injury and harm to fellow players and their family like your fellow bots did? Have a mirror and see your clown.gace first.
 
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BeatlesFan said:
I was an enormous Fed fan and he was a better volleyer than anyone from 2003-2022, but he still was nothing as a volleyer compared to Mac, Becker, Edberg or Pete. Fed had a beautiful game on all surfaces and was sublime to watch on grass, but he rarely approached the net as much as he should have.

Did you not watch Boris when he was an active player, you sound surprised he was such an outstanding volleyer. I'd definitely put Boris top 10 all time in volleying and top 5 from 1980-to current days. I sure wish we had players like Boris and Stefan now!
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I did watch Becker at the time, yes. I just always thought of him as a tier down from Edberg (my favorite) in the volleying department and felt that someone like Cash was more of a peer of Edberg's. And I still think Edberg was a slightly better volleyer than Becker, but a tier down from Edberg is still very, very high. Becker, of course, had a much better serve than Edberg, and also much more easy power.

Federer did serve and volley a fair amount in 2001, and he was decent at it, so I guess his later decisions were colored by his sense that the courts and rackets made approaching the net more of a losing proposition. Still a shame that he didn't do it more - except for those couple of months in the summer of 2015 when Edberg got him chipping and charging!
 
BeatlesFan said:
The last time Wimbledon was won by someone who could volley like a fiend was 24 years ago with Sampras. No one in modern tennis will ever volley like Pete (or Edberg, Becker, Mac). They've been playing pure baseline tennis there since 2002/03. I hate it too, but it's not changing unless they bring back the slick, super fast grass of the 70's-90's.
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What are the chances for your boy Rune at Wimbledon this year ?

Any expectations from him???
 
helterskelter said:
I did watch Becker at the time, yes. I just always thought of him as a tier down from Edberg (my favorite) in the volleying department and felt that someone like Cash was more of a peer of Edberg's. And I still think Edberg was a slightly better volleyer than Becker, but a tier down from Edberg is still very, very high. Becker, of course, had a much better serve than Edberg, and also much more easy power.

Federer did serve and volley a fair amount in 2001, and he was decent at it, so I guess his later decisions were colored by his sense that the courts and rackets made approaching the net more of a losing proposition. Still a shame that he didn't do it more - except for those couple of months in the summer of 2015 when Edberg got him chipping and charging!
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What do you think about Alcaraz volleys? Specially for someone his age
 
TheSlicer said:
What do you think about Alcaraz volleys? Specially for someone his age
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He does have decent touch, as does/did Nadal (and Sergi Bruguera and Juan Carlos Ferrero). Players raised on clay are often better at volleying than players raised on hard, because on hard courts it's easier to finish a point with a powerful groundstroke, whereas on clay, it's more likely that you'll need to outmaneuver your opponent and then finish at the net.

But the thing is that it's hard to compare because when a player who is mostly a baseline player does volley, they are normally picking their time to approach when they've drawn their opponent out of position, and so a good proportion of their volleys are relatively straightforward ones. By contrast, someone who was serving and volleying on every serve would of course have their share of high, easy volleys, but they'd also have their share of really tough volleys that they had to pick up off the ground or right into their body, especially if they also served and volleyed on second serve, and even more so if they sometimes chipped and charged. Not that many players used chip and charge often - Paul Annacone sometimes did and he sometimes chipped and charged even when playing a serve-volleyer! When Edberg played the 93 Australian Open final with an injury, he did chip and charge a fair amount in sets 3 and 4 because he just wasn't competitive with Courier from the baseline, given the injury.
 
The Guru said:
Sinner fans must be stopped. This place has reached a new low with that lot they're already worse than any of the Big 3 fanbases were at their most toxic. I have nothing against Sinner other than I don't love the aesthetics of his game and I'm actively rooting for him to lose early just so this place isn't filled with incessant Sinner nonsense for the whole tournament.
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You spoke my mind as well. Thanks, pal.
 
helterskelter said:
He does have decent touch, as does/did Nadal (and Sergi Bruguera and Juan Carlos Ferrero). Players raised on clay are often better at volleying than players raised on hard, because on hard courts it's easier to finish a point with a powerful groundstroke, whereas on clay, it's more likely that you'll need to outmaneuver your opponent and then finish at the net.

But the thing is that it's hard to compare because when a player who is mostly a baseline player does volley, they are normally picking their time to approach when they've drawn their opponent out of position, and so a good proportion of their volleys are relatively straightforward ones. By contrast, someone who was serving and volleying on every serve would of course have their share of high, easy volleys, but they'd also have their share of really tough volleys that they had to pick up off the ground or right into their body, especially if they also served and volleyed on second serve, and even more so if they sometimes chipped and charged. Not that many players used chip and charge often - Paul Annacone sometimes did and he sometimes chipped and charged even when playing a serve-volleyer! When Edberg played the 93 Australian Open final with an injury, he did chip and charge a fair amount in sets 3 and 4 because he just wasn't competitive with Courier from the baseline, given the injury.
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His volleys are pretty good for his age. He’s one of the few with the tools who can stop the apocalypse.
 
BeatlesFan said:
I was an enormous Fed fan and he was a better volleyer than anyone from 2003-2022, but he still was nothing as a volleyer compared to Mac, Becker, Edberg or Pete. Fed had a beautiful game on all surfaces and was sublime to watch on grass, but he rarely approached the net as much as he should have.
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I was with you until that last part. His insane record there would seem to indicate he knew exactly how often to approach on the modern grass. In his prime he was still better off putting away points with that booming forehand of his than trying to finish them off at the net.

When he finally started volleying more under Edberg it's not like it lead to more titles.
 
OP is beyond deluded. Volley has become redundant due to grass court tennis becoming a baseliner affair. Why do you think your beloved Roger dramatically reduced vollying once he came across Djokodal who were best passers and baseline machines ? Did Fed reduce because he got bored? if you wanna whine then whin to organizers not the players for playing game according to the conditions.
 
optic yellow said:
I too find the concept of Sinner being favored over the in-form defending champion absurd.
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What? he is not in form, at all.

Djokovic is injured and is having one of the worst years in his career, Meanwhile Sinner just won Halle.

Old Djoker may not even make it past Hubi or De Minaur in the quarters.

BTW we Sinner fans are not going anywhere and nether is Sinner.
 
travlerajm said:
I don’t dislike Sinner. But let’s be honest. The guy looks awkward when he squats to pop up a low volley.

It’s just difficult for me to come to terms with a Wimbledon champion who doesn’t volley like a fiend.

Historically, we’ve been saved from such a fate:

Mac, Becker, Cash, and Edberg saved us from Lendl (whose volleys were outright genius compared to today’s kids’).

Federer faithfully did his job to deny volley-poor Andy of taking home a title trophy.

Rafa made sure Big Berd didn’t win with his putrid oafish net game.

Later Muzz helped make sure servebot Milos couldn’t serve his way to a title with his NextGen net game.

And finally Djoker served as gatekeeper to keep ugly volleyers like Berry and Shapo from reaching the promised land.

Who will step up and protect the hallowed Wimbledon tradition of grasscourt net prowess from being blemished by a Sinner victory?
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BEYOND RIDICULOUS!
 
BeatlesFan said:
I was an enormous Fed fan and he was a better volleyer than anyone from 2003-2022, but he still was nothing as a volleyer compared to Mac, Becker, Edberg or Pete. Fed had a beautiful game on all surfaces and was sublime to watch on grass, but he rarely approached the net as much as he should have.

Did you not watch Boris when he was an active player, you sound surprised he was such an outstanding volleyer. I'd definitely put Boris top 10 all time in volleying and top 5 from 1980-to current days. I sure wish we had players like Boris and Stefan now!
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No one was ripping 10000 mph 60000 rpms open stance sliding backhand passing shots dtl during the Beatles era. Of course Mac and co would look like better volleyers.
 
Jack300 said:
What? he is not in form, at all.

Djokovic is injured and is having one of the worst years in his career, Meanwhile Sinner just won Halle.

Old Djoker may not even make it past Hubi or De Minaur in the quarters.

BTW we Sinner fans are not going anywhere and nether is Sinner.
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Who won RG?
 
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