Bartelby
Bionic Poster
The key to your misunderstanding is that doping is also about the gambling industry. The punters need to know their horse is sound.
Sinner s woes are not over. WADA is considering appeal
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uscwang
Hall of Fame
Keep the receipt but throw away the packaging with a clear warning sign about doping. Pass it on to another professional on the team, who didn't remember being warned about it and haven't heard about 30+ Italian athletes busted because of this sh!!!t.
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if a sport is not clean it still doesnt mean that every player dopes. sinner was caught, you cant accuse other players whose tests were always negative.
This is a rock solid explanation. Absolutely waterproof. I will use it next time
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
No fault is not equivalent to innocent. He did test positive, you know.
uscwang
Hall of Fame
Another you-can't-make-this-up story is that, allegedly, on the first day the physio came to work on Sinner after cutting himself accidentally by a scalpel he kept in his bag with an open blade, Sinner asked him if he had put any cream on. The physio said no. This question on day 1 by Sinner helped to clear him. The physio started using the spray (!) with banned substance after this but Sinner never asked the question again.
Question 1: Did the physio use anything to treat the cut on Day 1? If yes, and suppose it was something clean, why did he not keep using it?
Question 2: How hard Sinner's life must have been if he has to ask his private physio whether he has sh!!!t on, if that was indeed the purpose of Sinner's question as we are made to believe? He forgot to double check the next day and sh!!!t hit the fan.
Question 1: Did the physio use anything to treat the cut on Day 1? If yes, and suppose it was something clean, why did he not keep using it?
Question 2: How hard Sinner's life must have been if he has to ask his private physio whether he has sh!!!t on, if that was indeed the purpose of Sinner's question as we are made to believe? He forgot to double check the next day and sh!!!t hit the fan.
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It all sounds like lawyer talk, exploiting loopholes in the rules.
But sir did you read our 33-page Bible?
Impetus
Semi-Pro
Sinner still had faith for months, and after two failed doping test, in the fitness coach who bought and travelled the world with doping and the physiotherapist who applied the doping for more than a week.
When the story broke in the media they were fired.
It sounds like a fabulating child. And then, and then, and then, and then, and then.
Yes of course! It tries to explain why they decided to believe the ridiculously incredible story he gave them, not very successfully I should add.
Shame on you for not believing the team lead by the man Nike calls the nicest.
Impetus
Semi-Pro
Sorry. English is not my naive language. I didn't know the word cheater is a synonym of nice.
uscwang
Hall of Fame
Honestly, I worry for Italian athletes and their team since clostebol-containing pain treatment could be their only option, since otherwise they probably would have bought a clean alternative. What are they going to do now?
uscwang
Hall of Fame
That the fist was not terribly hurt as shown by X-ray results is consistent with it's getting hit by a face.
Impetus
Semi-Pro
It's a good question.. In my country we don't have clostebol and therefore more than half of us lost our arms due to small cuts from a razor.
Also, the physio said he injured his finger in the massage room, but then his friend who gave him the spray contradicted him by saying he injured it somewhere else, not in the room. Sinner's team are not reliable and can't be trusted. Their "evidence" is as weak as their effort to create a believable story.
Neutralfan approves.
RSJfan
Semi-Pro
“It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it.” — Tsitsicrates
Impetus
Semi-Pro
It reminds me of the time when I arrived early from a business trip and I found my best friend and my wife in bed having sex.
It just turned out to be a silly story. She had just taken a shower and was naked in bed with her legs spread. He was looking around the house to return the tools he had borrowed and when he entered the bedroom he fell, lost his pants and just landed on top of her and slid right into her. What really happened was that he was wiggling to get up and out of her when I just happened to enter the room.
I completely believe them.
Sudacafan
Bionic Poster
Yes, they should investigate until the end, produce tons of reports, without finding anything.
They must justify their salary.
uscwang
Hall of Fame
And then some independent experts confirmed that if the story were true, that would have been what one would have seen.
And we are supposed to believe that since experts from Italy/UK/Canada have spoken, and forget about any alternative scenarios.
BTW, this happened again a week later but the first story totally covers that as well, as it happens 30+ times in this neighborhood.
Spencer Gore
Legend
Korda wasn't seen as the future well-behaved star of the sport, like Sinner.
This is like the Carl Lewis cover up in US athletics before the 84 Olympics.
Obviously your wife and your best friend are innocent, especially that they are nice guys and they would never do what you initially suspected them to be doing. Shame on you
Rovesciarete
Hall of Fame
I have long wondered why one could pick up so often 1 $ of value for less than 50 Cents but the longer life goes on the easier it is to understand...
That'll show them.
Impetus
Semi-Pro
My wife says she doesn’t understand how I could ever be suspicious as she was never attracted to him and my friend says he didn’t like it when it happened. With plausible explantions like that I now see how silly I was. It is quite shameful.Obviously your wife and your best friend are innocent, especially that they are nice guys and they would never do what you initially suspected them to be doing. Shame on you
robyrolfo
Hall of Fame
You do realize that they tested positive for different substances, right? You do realize they tested positive for different quantities of different substances, right?
Your question is tantamount to asking why the person put on trial for stealing bread doesn't receive the same treatment (and eventual sentence) as the person put on trial for murder.
Some of you seem to believe that there is only one "doping" substance in existence, and you either take it or you don't. It's either A or B, black or white. But of course here in reality, where luckily there are still a few grown up people in charge, we know that isn't the case.
Going back to my analogy above, even if two people are convicted of the same crime, in most criminal justice systems they can still receive different punishments. Imagine that! Imagine that people much smarter than us, with a much broader understanding and outlook on modern society, decided that the philosophy underlying our criminal justice system should account for nuance, and the uniqueness of human nature. Imagine that!
Lance, who is an absolutely fascinating character, regularly admits to two things, both of which were responsible for his downfall, and likely in equal measure: 1. Doping, and 2. Making an enemy of just about every single person he came across that wasn't actively helping him win.
Without number 2, he might have never been caught/outed. Without number 2, he most likely does not become the poster boy for doping, because we now know with certainty that the entire sport of cycling was essentially a doping free-for-all for a decade or more.
See above. You know that Halep tested positive for a different substance, right?
And you do know that the circumstances were completely different, right? Sinner was basically able to figure out right away where the contamination came from, and thus immediately present his case to the relevant authorities. Halep, unfortunately for her, had no idea where her contamination came from, and so all she could say was, 'I didn't do it,' without any reasonable explanation for the failed test.
Here's another analogy for you: two people are being investigated for a murder. Both have the same alibi: "I was out with friends when the murder took place." One of the people, however, was at a bar with cameras that clearly show them present at the bar, thus confirming the alibi and resulting in an immediate clearing. The other is unlucky and doesn't have any video evidence, so the authorities have to dig a lot further.
TL
R The two cases are NOT THE SAME. Stop comparing them!That would never happened because everyone involved in the process was committed to clear him. You know, like a conspiracy.
uscwang
Hall of Fame
"In the meantime, WADA has made it clear that the investigation is ongoing and that the case against Sinner is still open."
"As reported by Correire Della Serra, WADA received a 50-page report from the ITIA but was still unsatisfied with the information it was handed. The report also indicates that WADA's 21-day appeal deadline will start only from the time it receives the new documentation."
www.sportskeeda.com
"As reported by Correire Della Serra, WADA received a 50-page report from the ITIA but was still unsatisfied with the information it was handed. The report also indicates that WADA's 21-day appeal deadline will start only from the time it receives the new documentation."
Jannik Sinner doping case still open as WADA asks for more documentation in investigation against US Open champ before appeal
In the latest update to Jannik Sinner's doping saga, WADA (World Anti-Doping Agency) has asked for more documentation in the World No.
www.sportskeeda.com
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nolefam_2024
Talk Tennis Guru
Let it go WADAIn the meantime, WADA has made it clear that the investigation is ongoing and that the case against Sinner is still open.
As reported by Correire Della Serra, WADA received a 50-page report from the ITIA but was still unsatisfied with the information it was handed. The report also indicates that WADA's 21-day appeal deadline will start only from the time it receives the new documentation.
Jannik Sinner doping case still open as WADA asks for more documentation in investigation against US Open champ before appeal
In the latest update to Jannik Sinner's doping saga, WADA (World Anti-Doping Agency) has asked for more documentation in the World No.
Without Sinner tennis will suffer
Lleytonstation
Talk Tennis Guru
Tell that to TTW.
Tennis without integrity will become just like cycling.
robyrolfo
Hall of Fame
That's match fixing, not doping.
People have watched and enjoyed every tour since Lance came out. The current Pogacar vs Vingegaard rivalry is awesome.
mtommer
Hall of Fame
Or he just didn't care about the Olympics like alot of players....like a lot of spectators/fans.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
It would be more likely that no winner will be declared, as with Armstrong's Tour de France "victories".
travlerajm
Talk Tennis Guru
If so, then Sinner should ask for his $400k in prize money back that he was penalized for his infraction.
nolefam_2024
Talk Tennis Guru
Only WADA can stop it
Drop it , drop it I say.
He is YOUR world number 1
LOBALOT
Legend
There are plenty of players that have gotten suspended for less. What does it take for you to look at those examples.
Sharapova got nailed to the point her career was over. Halep most likely the same.
You can site Bortolotti and ignore all the other examples or perhaps just read the content free posts that somehow Sinner got probed with the stuff on his trainers hand.
_phantom
Hall of Fame
At first all trustworthy outlets were saying 6 Sep (21 days from the publication of the sentence) would be the deadline for both NADO Italy and WADA to appeal. Now they are saying WADA has an additional 21 days and that counts from the day they 'receive' the complete file, smh. I think they are making sh*ts up as they go along."In the meantime, WADA has made it clear that the investigation is ongoing and that the case against Sinner is still open."
"As reported by Correire Della Serra, WADA received a 50-page report from the ITIA but was still unsatisfied with the information it was handed. The report also indicates that WADA's 21-day appeal deadline will start only from the time it receives the new documentation."
Jannik Sinner doping case still open as WADA asks for more documentation in investigation against US Open champ before appeal
In the latest update to Jannik Sinner's doping saga, WADA (World Anti-Doping Agency) has asked for more documentation in the World No.
Read in another Italian newspaper -
"WADA's latest moves seem to be dictated more than anything by the desire to somehow support the media wave following the case and avoid the criticism."
Sounds about right.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
Sharapova was caught up in a political campaign to ban Russian athletes, not tennis players. And if you banned Meldonium you banned Russians. They didn't even know what they were banning.
robyrolfo
Hall of Fame
Um, what does it take for you to look at the substances they were banned for? Sinner's case has a lot in common with Bartolotti's, and very little with the others.
LOBALOT
Legend
They are all performance enhancing substances. They all are banned. They all including Sinner deserve suspensions.
Just comparing similar substances is stupid reasoning.