Sinner s woes are not over. WADA is considering appeal

[RSJfan]

At first all trustworthy outlets were saying 6 Sep (21 days from the publication of the sentence) would be the deadline for both NADO Italy and WADA to appeal. Now they are saying WADA has an additional 21 days and that counts from the day they 'receive' the complete file, smh. I think they are making sh*ts up as they go along...

They are not likely “making sh%t up“ like my fav Raul might. You can‘t precisely know the deadline for WADA to file an appeal without being involved in the case. You don’t have enough information.

Per ITIA rules, WADA has the right to appeal to CAS.

The WADA deadline to appeal is the later of (a) 21 days after the last day on which any other party (e.g., Italian NADO) having a right to appeal could have appealed or (b) 21 days after WADA’s receipt of the complete file relating to the decision.

You can try to make a reasoned guess on the deadline but you can’t pin it down unless you know what is going on between the tennis tribunal and WADA (as well as the rules of the Italian NADO re appeals and related deadlines) — in particular, on what day did WADA receive the “complete file relating to the decision.”

PS, the 21 days from the decision you said was referred to by some news outlets applies to parties to the original proceeding — not to WADA. Not surprisingly WADA gets more time than the parties involved in the original proceeding. WADA has to get the relevant material and come up to speed before it can make a decision.

 

[Holmes]

You can go back further than that. It wasn't PEDs, but the ATP completely looked the other way when Agassi failed a drug test in the 90s.

Protecting a golden goose to keep the gravy train running is a timeless endeavor.

Yes. Sad.

 

[Bartelby]

The whole anti-doping regime needs to be thrown away. It would be a case of 'trivial pursuit" if it were not also an anti-freedom regime inflicted on the young from which only few benefit.

 

[robyrolfo]

They are all performance enhancing substances. They all are banned. They all including Sinner deserve suspensions.

Just comparing similar substances is stupid reasoning.

Your reasoning amounts to, "both petty theft and murder are crimes. They are both illegal, so..."

Are you seriously saying there shouldn't be any sort of consideration of facts?

 

[Sudacafan]

WADA is so mean.

 

[Bartelby]

WADA load of nonsense such an appeal would be! First they came for Maria and now the Man without Sin.

 

[TheGoldenEra1990’s]

I am surprised he didn’t serve a 6 months suspension at the very least. It is a bad look for the ATP whether he knowingly doped or not. Especially with double standards. If he was a MUG we wouldn’t hear from him for 3-4 years. If ever again

 

[roysid]

Time to bump up this thread. I was talking about this 4 weeks ago

 

[Sudacafan]

Sooner or later, this thread will need to be bumped at the moment the results of the WADA appeal come out.
Or a new thread will be started because of that.

 

[Frenchy-Player]

Which one is the more likely steroid user?

 

[roysid]

More surprisingly, wada doesn't want any result to be overturned. They just want Sinner to be given some fault. In other words saving their reputation.
Poor Fritz, g
Cannot be grand slam winner

 

[nolefam_2024]

More surprisingly, wada doesn't want any result to be overturned. They just want Sinner to be given some fault. In other words saving their reputation.
Poor Fritz, g
Cannot be grand slam winner

If it wasn't sinner it would be Medvedev or draper in the final.

 

[ChrisJR3264]

More surprisingly, wada doesn't want any result to be overturned. They just want Sinner to be given some fault. In other words saving their reputation.
Poor Fritz, g
Cannot be grand slam winner

More like poor medvedev. Fritz wasn’t winning that GS title against either opponent.

 

[ChrisJR3264]

Time to bump up this thread. I was talking about this 4 weeks ago

Honestly I moved on from the story.
But sheesh this excuse feels too weak (from sinners camp) to not appeal.

Guys who’ve missed drug test (and many players confirm it’s not hard to) won their appeals 12-15 months after the suspension.

Sinner got popped not once but twice. How long can this cream stay in your system? Still gross a trainer didn’t glove up to rub cuts on a guys feet.

 

[roysid]

If it wasn't sinner it would be Medvedev or draper in the final.

Yeah how could one determine who would win if hypothetically Sinner was disqualified.

RG 05 Puerta was disqualified from Runner up place. Had we won it would have been real messy

 

[Rafa4LifeEver]

I am surprised he didn’t serve a 6 months suspension at the very least. It is a bad look for the ATP whether he knowingly doped or not. Especially with double standards. If he was a MUG we wouldn’t hear from him for 3-4 years. If ever again

Jenson Brooksby

 

[Lleytonstation]

Jenson Brooksby

UTR says otherwise.

 

[Rafa4LifeEver]

UTR says otherwise.

UTR is irrelevant.
I'm talking about his ban.

 

[roysid]

Ban Sinner for 1.5 months. From the day after ATP finals to the start of Australia open. That way everyone will be happy.

 

[Gary Duane]

I wonder if any Sinner fans think he should be banned and if any non fans are against him being banned.

 

[vokazu]

Ban Sinner for 1.5 months. From the day after ATP finals to the start of Australia open. That way everyone will be happy.

2 years ban and strip all of his titles and prize money and ranking points since he was first tested positive.

We have to be serious about discouraging doping in tennis.

 

[nolefam_2024]

I wonder if any Sinner fans think he should be banned and if any non fans are against him being banned.

I am becoming his fan but I think due process must happen.

 

[Gary Duane]

I am becoming his fan but I think due process must happen.

I am totally split. I would be fine if they just let the athletes take their chances with drugs. To me it doesn't much matter if what they are taking is legal or illegal if it doesn't make our children and grandchildren want to take dangerous drugs. I think the line between what enhances and what damages the body is becoming very murky.

What I don't like is unfairness. I think other players who have been banned for long periods have every right to question what is going on right now. Something is obviously very wrong with the system.

 

[Lleytonstation]

I am totally split. I would be fine if they just let the athletes take their chances with drugs. To me it doesn't much matter if what they are taking is legal or illegal if it doesn't make our children and grandchildren want to take dangerous drugs. I think the line between what enhances and what damages the body is becoming very murky.

What I don't like is unfairness. I think other players who have been banned for long periods have every right to question what is going on right now. Something is obviously very wrong with the system.

Cases like this make me think that many others are doing it to. I think of Lance getting banned when the whole tour was doing it, or Canseco when everyone was doing it.

They need to draw the line at the very least at what they considered enhanced amount or not. Sinners case seems like it was not enough.

 

[volleynets]

If he gets suspended It would be bad for the sport.

Him cheating and getting away with it is bad for the sport

 

[Gary Duane]

Cases like this make me think that many others are doing it to. I think of Lance getting banned when the whole tour was doing it, or Canseco when everyone was doing it.

They need to draw the line at the very least at what they considered enhanced amount or not. Sinners case seems like it was not enough.

I have huge questions about the danger of drugs. I take two drugs myself. One is for high blood pressure. The other is to manage cholesterol. I don't like taking either one because I think the human body is better off if we don't have to take drugs. But in my case these drugs in my mind are very obviously more helpful than harmful.

On the other side there are drugs that shorten life expectancy and have all sorts of horrible side effects so that people who take them simply want to win at the cost of their health and possibly greatly shorten their life.

I think the problem is that the dangers of many drugs are now very blurry. Think about the huge change in opinion about marijuana. We can't say for sure that it doesn't have powerful positive health benefits for some people even though I personally can't stand how it makes me feel.

I can't help feeling that perhaps people would be better off if they were just allowed to take what they wish and everybody else minded their own business. My only worry is that if famous people are openly using drugs that we don't want our kids or our grandkids to take then they are much more likely to take them themselves. That I would not like.

 

[Lleytonstation]

I have huge questions about the danger of drugs. I take two drugs myself. One is for high blood pressure. The other is to manage cholesterol. I don't like taking either one because I think the human body is better off if we don't have to take drugs. But in my case these drugs in my mind are very obviously more helpful than harmful.

On the other side there are drugs that shorten life expectancy and have all sorts of horrible side effects so that people who take them simply want to win at the cost of their health and possibly greatly shorten their life.

I think the problem is that the dangers of many drugs are now very blurry. Think about the huge change in opinion about marijuana. We can't say for sure that it doesn't have powerful positive health benefits for some people even though I personally can't stand how it makes me feel.

I can't help feeling that perhaps people would be better off if they were just allowed to take what they wish and everybody else minded their own business. My only worry is that if famous people are openly using drugs that we don't want our kids or our grandkids to take then they are much more likely to take them themselves. That I would not like.

Yep, Modern medicine vs "drugs" is becoming very murky.

 

[Gary Duane]

Yep, Modern medicine vs "drugs" is becoming very murky.

People in every field you can think about are still doing amazing things at ages when it would be very rare in the past if it happened at all. I do think in many ways 70 is the new 60.

 

[NeutralFan]

Time to bump up this thread. I was talking about this 4 weeks ago

You mean it's time for you and Carlos fanboys to disappoint again?

 

[D.Nalby12]

His reputation has permanently tainted no matter what happens after. Imagine if he wins 10 slams or like that. And still nobody would give him any credit.

 

[nolefam_2024]

His reputation has permanently tainted no matter what happens after. Imagine if he wins 10 slams or like that. And still nobody would give him any credit.

I would give him credit

 

[roysid]

You mean it's time for you and Carlos fanboys to disappoint again?

No I identified this as long as 4 weeks ago. You and some others had dismissed me. But the threat became real.

Personally I wish very few players to be banned unless it's proven they cheated. Innocent until proven guilty.

 

[roysid]

I have huge questions about the danger of drugs. I take two drugs myself. One is for high blood pressure. The other is to manage cholesterol. I don't like taking either one because I think the human body is better off if we don't have to take drugs. But in my case these drugs in my mind are very obviously more helpful than harmful.

On the other side there are drugs that shorten life expectancy and have all sorts of horrible side effects so that people who take them simply want to win at the cost of their health and possibly greatly shorten their life.

I think the problem is that the dangers of many drugs are now very blurry. Think about the huge change in opinion about marijuana. We can't say for sure that it doesn't have powerful positive health benefits for some people even though I personally can't stand how it makes me feel.

I can't help feeling that perhaps people would be better off if they were just allowed to take what they wish and everybody else minded their own business. My only worry is that if famous people are openly using drugs that we don't want our kids or our grandkids to take then they are much more likely to take them themselves. That I would not like.

It's off topic but when a human body need to take medicine that means there is some decay. With advanced age it's inevitable.And medicine have side effects.
I also take the two medicines you stated and also more. The medicine to control diabetes is most dangerous. It can suddenly cause sugar drop

 

[Gary Duane]

It's off topic but when a human body need to take medicine that means there is some decay. With advanced age it's inevitable.And medicine have side effects.
I also take the two medicines you stated and also more. The medicine to control diabetes is most dangerous. It can suddenly cause sugar drop

The decision to take medicine is a calculated risk, isn't it?

 

[nolefam_2024]

The decision to take medicine is a calculated risk, isn't it?

That is not correct.

When you free up dangerous medicines and ask common man to decide we can't. We don't know details for drugs and we will take short cuts. That will seep down to college level sports and make lives of kids , who have even less self control, and we can't allow that.


Unfortunately the doctors nowadays are becoming less trustworthy themselves especially in my country so they will prescribe heavy dosage of drugs. Medicine is a drug. It has side effects, we just rely on doctors to make the pro and con analysis.

For sports which is not life long thing, players forced to risk life from ground up without knowing if they will still fulfill their dreams, its unfair.

 

[NeutralFan]

No I identified this as long as 4 weeks ago. You and some others had dismissed me. But the threat became real.

Personally I wish very few players to be banned unless it's proven they cheated. Innocent until proven guilty.

Good , but I feel Sinner is the biggest name in tennis and Sinner fans need to relax.

 

[dannythomas]

Taylor Fritz is going to be declared the US Open winner after the appeal.

That’s fair as long as Draper gets Fritz’s runner up Trophy . And Medvedev gets the semi final prize money etc . Oh and Tiafoe is now the winner at Cincinnati, Hurcacz wins Halle, Dimitrov at Miami etc etc

 

[TennisBro]

Sad the anti-doping agency's got such a hard time to stay away from double-standards.

 

[Jonas78]

The decision to take medicine is a calculated risk, isn't it?

Not necessarily. Clostebol is found in a lot of medicines, creams etc that both you and me could have been described by our doctor. We would have tested positive.

It happened in Norway. Therese Johaug was prescribed a cream for sunburned lips by her doctor (who should have known better of course), still got banned for 2 years.

 

[roysid]

The decision to take medicine is a calculated risk, isn't it?

Yes thats true. Its always better if body can overcome the challenge. But easier said that done

 

[Djumhur]

I would give him credit

you are one of his stans so it doesnt really matter. Mainstream media and other sports legend will always act like he doesnt exist

 

[KingCarlitos]

Him cheating and getting away with it is bad for the sport

No It wouldn’t viewership ratings would drop and financially ATP would take a hit If they banned Sinner.

 

[volleynets]

No It wouldn’t viewership ratings would drop and financially ATP would take a hit If they banned Sinner.

Yeah, well that’s too bad. Rules are rules.

 

[Bride of Alcaraz]

Sinner vs. Fritz USO Final did nothing for the reputation or popularity of tennis.
Alcaraz vs. Djokovic Wimbledon/Olympic Final did everything for tennis, and Alcaraz vs. Zverev French Open Final was fun too.
Sinner is a non-factor!

 

[TennisBro]

No It wouldn’t viewership ratings would drop and financially ATP would take a hit If they banned Sinner.

I also wonder how those who sponsor the Italian and his team would fair financially.

 

[jayvee]

No It wouldn’t viewership ratings would drop and financially ATP would take a hit If they banned Sinner.

What are you talking about??? Nobody is tuning in to watch The Boring Carrot!

 

[insideguy]

I have read through a million of your guys posts on this subject. And the one thing I am pretty sure about that all of this aint good for the sport.

 

[NeutralFan]

lol, more sleepless nights for Sinner's camp.

We are relaxed, son! Lol

 

[vokazu]

I have read through a million of your guys posts on this subject. And the one thing I am pretty sure about that all of this aint good for the sport.

Actually it's good that people care and discuss about it. People want clean sports.

 

[vokazu]

No It wouldn’t viewership ratings would drop and financially ATP would take a hit If they banned Sinner.

You mean Italian ATP mafiosos will lose money if Sinner is out.