Sinner s woes are not over. WADA is considering appeal

Better_Call_Raul

Hall of Fame
Not necessarily. Clostebol is found in a lot of medicines, creams etc that both you and me could have been described by our doctor. We would have tested positive.

Clostebol is freely available OTC in Italy. A million people in Italy taking it to treat a cut would have conceivably tested positive at levels far above those of Sinner.
The Tribunal decision deemed it ridiculous to be punishing Sinner for such low levels of a harmless drug that is not performance-enhancing.
 
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nolefam_2024

Talk Tennis Guru
Clostebol is freely available OTC in Italy. A million people in Italy taking it to treat a cut would have conceivably tested positive at levels far above those of Sinner.
The Tribunal deemed it ridiculous to be punishing Sinner for such low levels of a harmless drug that is not performance-enhancing.
Exactly

It's stupid to punish for TWO freaking years for this. Need to completely overhaul doping penalty system.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
Meldonium is freely available OTC in many countries and Sharapova got 15 months for a harmless drug that is not performance-enhancing.

Clostebol is freely available OTC in Italy. A million people in Italy taking it to treat a cut would have conceivably tested positive at levels far above those of Sinner.
The Tribunal decision deemed it ridiculous to be punishing Sinner for such low levels of a harmless drug that is not performance-enhancing.
 

Mustard

Bionic Poster
Why she got banned if she was innocent? You are slowly becoming a Conspiracy theorist
Meldonium was a drug that Sharapova took for around 10 years. It wasn't on the list of banned substances until 1 January 2016. In March 2016, Sharapova called a press conference saying that she wouldn't be playing at 2016 Indian Wells and that she had tested positive for meldonium at the 2016 Australian Open. She was banned for 2 years, later reduced to 15 months after a CAS appeal.

Sinner tested positive twice for clostebol at 2024 Indian Wells, and got no ban at all.

Why the different treatment? Cynics would say that Sinner is seen as the golden profit boy for the ATP in the upcoming period, while Sharapova in March 2016 was 28 years old and still representing Russia instead of switching to the USA.

Whatever your opinion, there are double standards at work, and that is what people are annoyed about most.
 

RSJfan

Semi-Pro
Clostebol is freely available OTC in Italy. A million people in Italy taking it to treat a cut would have conceivably tested positive at levels far above those of Sinner.
The Tribunal decision deemed it ridiculous to be punishing Sinner for such low levels of a harmless drug that is not performance-enhancing.

This WADA aggression against your new fav Carrot will not stand. Stay strong!

 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
The fact is that the final CAS decision on the Sharapova case was overwhelmingly sympathetic to her arguments.

But the rule was if you tested positive you were banned. Bortolotti and Sinner have blown that principle out of the water.

Dopapova and her agent both should have been banned for life for insulting people with their ridiculous and unimaginative tale. They didn’t even try.
 

roysid

Legend
What has saved Sinner till now is that the drug came through a massage by a physiotherapist. He didnt take it himself.

Lets hope it continues that way
 

insideguy

G.O.A.T.
Dopapova and her agent both should have been banned for life for insulting people with their ridiculous and unimaginative tale. They didn’t even try.
Actually if you think about it, Its sort of a Russian tactic. Make up the most ridiculous story that everyone knows is crap, but do it with a straight face. Then people think jeez I mean if they have the balls to lie so badly wtf is even real? Heck shouldn't really be ripping on the Russians regarding this other Govs have done it and we have a guy who uses he same tactic here in the states currently running for president.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
Actually, if you think about it, it's sort of a universal tactic that only a mischievous person would describe as peculiarly Russian.

Actually if you think about it, Its sort of a Russian tactic. Make up the most ridiculous story that everyone knows is crap, but do it with a straight face. Then people think jeez I mean if they have the balls to lie so badly wtf is even real? Heck shouldn't really be ripping on the Russians regarding this other Govs have done it and we have a guy who uses he same tactic here in the states currently running for president.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
This fact should reward him with as short a ban as possible, but no ban at all is a novelty that seems extremely suspicious.

What has saved Sinner till now is that the drug came through a massage by a physiotherapist. He didnt take it himself.

Lets hope it continues that way
 

Jonas78

Legend
Clostebol is freely available OTC in Italy. A million people in Italy taking it to treat a cut would have conceivably tested positive at levels far above those of Sinner.
The Tribunal decision deemed it ridiculous to be punishing Sinner for such low levels of a harmless drug that is not performance-enhancing.
Agreed! And if specialists are saying its even possible to test positive by being massaged by another person using it, its nearly impossible to play it safe, you would have to live in isolation.
 

Rovesciarete

Hall of Fame
Im sorry, but having a black and white perspective on drugs, is the same as putting Charles Manson and someone who accidentally causes someones death in a car accident in the same boat.

The ‘smart’ line formulated by some posters here and journalists is quite clearly that Sinner, even if not doping but at the utter most having possible traces of negligence, must be made an example off for the good of the anti-doping or better anti-negligence fight.

If that is not a political play and a perversion of justice...
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
You can't have a situation where there is no consistency from one case to the next, but if "no ban" is now a possibility then CAS must confirm it for the sake of justice.

The ‘smart’ line formulated by some posters here and journalists is quite clearly that Sinner, even if not doping but at the utter most having possible traces of negligence, must be made an example off for the good of the anti-doping or better anti-negligence fight.

If that is not a political play and a perversion of justice...
 

Jonas78

Legend
You can't have a situation where there is no consistency from one case to the next, but if "no ban" is now a possibility then CAS must confirm it for the sake of justice.
Well it has to be continously evaluated. I was surprised and thought it was very strict when norwegian Therese Johaug got a 2 year ban in 2017 for using an over-the-counter cream for severly sunburned lips (her lips looked like he1l). If the experts are correct that you can even get a positive test if your physio massages you after using cream on their hands, then it will be nearly impossible to play it completely safe. You cant expect athletes to live in isolation, and test every person who gets near them.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
Doping control is based on strict liability. If it's in your system then you're liable and you will be banned. I agree it's too tough, but this is the current legal situation.

Well it has to be continously evaluated. I was surprised and thought it was very strict when norwegian Therese Johaug got a 2 year ban in 2017 for using an over-the-counter cream for severly sunburned lips (her lips looked like he1l). If the experts are correct that you can even get a positive test if your physio massages you after using cream on their hands, then it will be nearly impossible to play it completely safe. You cant expect athletes to live in isolation, and test every person who gets near them.
 

Jonas78

Legend
Doping control is based on strict liability. If it's in your system then you're liable and you will be banned. I agree it's too tough, but this is the current legal situation.
Yeah im actually surprised drug "poisoning" hasnt become a thing yet, for example putting drugs in your opponents food/drink to get him/her banned.
 

NeutralFan

G.O.A.T.
Meldonium was a drug that Sharapova took for around 10 years. It wasn't on the list of banned substances until 1 January 2016. In March 2016, Sharapova called a press conference saying that she wouldn't be playing at 2016 Indian Wells and that she had tested positive for meldonium at the 2016 Australian Open. She was banned for 2 years, later reduced to 15 months after a CAS appeal.

Sinner tested positive twice for clostebol at 2024 Indian Wells, and got no ban at all.

Why the different treatment? Cynics would say that Sinner is seen as the golden profit boy for the ATP in the upcoming period, while Sharapova in March 2016 was 28 years old and still representing Russia instead of switching to the USA.

Whatever your opinion, there are double standards at work, and that is what people are annoyed about most.

Pova was a bigger star and his days she earned more than many big male tennis players. Your conspiracy theory makes no sense
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
If you could show that happened then you would not be liable for the dope in your system. It's a far-fetched scenario fortunately.

Yeah im actually surprised drug "poisoning" hasnt become a thing yet, for example putting drugs in your opponents food/drink to get him/her banned.
 

robyrolfo

Hall of Fame
I am totally split. I would be fine if they just let the athletes take their chances with drugs. To me it doesn't much matter if what they are taking is legal or illegal if it doesn't make our children and grandchildren want to take dangerous drugs. I think the line between what enhances and what damages the body is becoming very murky.
And...
On the other side there are drugs that shorten life expectancy and have all sorts of horrible side effects so that people who take them simply want to win at the cost of their health and possibly greatly shorten their life.
This is a sort of philosophical question relating to the nature of our society, and the types of rules/laws we want to put in place.

It is now generally accepted that many people (or most people) aren't actually capable of acting in their own best interests. There are tons of people out there who would sacrifice long term health/success for short term gain. If you let athletes take/do whatever they want, with zero restrictions, it wouldn't take long before guys would be dropping dead in the middle of a match. That's human nature.

So, again generally speaking, the more educated and erudite among us have been entrusted with creating a system of rules that keep people from harming themselves, as well as others. Because even when you think certain actions only have consequences for the person directly involved, that is rarely the case in reality.

You mean Italian ATP mafiosos will lose money if Sinner is out.
Calling people "Italian Mafiosos" is like calling people "Black ..." or "Asian ..." or whatever other disparaging stereotype you want, that generally isn't accepted here.

Im sorry, but having a black and white perspective on drugs, is the same as putting Charles Manson and someone who accidentally causes someones death in a car accident in the same boat.
Exactly. This is a pretty simple concept, and the reason why people have trials, sentencing hearings, and things like sentencing "guidelines" exist.

But half the people posting in here don't seem to grasp this very basic idea.

Yeah im actually surprised drug "poisoning" hasnt become a thing yet, for example putting drugs in your opponents food/drink to get him/her banned.
I think about this all the time when watching cycling. So often you see riders taking water bottles that can so easily be tainted. A huge amount of trust is involved.

Actually, if I remember correctly, someone on Sinner's team was actually responsible for keeping an eye on his bottles/fluids when on site, and they specifically mentioned an event in Spain. Coincidence that they were concerned while in Spain?
 

Mustard

Bionic Poster
Pova was a bigger star and his days she earned more than many big male tennis players. Your conspiracy theory makes no sense
I have said that Sharapova might have been protected had the controversy happened when she was younger and therefore a big money WTA star for the future and present, or if she was representing the USA at age 28 when the controversy happened instead of representing Russia.
 

RSJfan

Semi-Pro
Has the ATP marketing dept. actually succeeded in ginning up interest in The Carrot with this manufactured controversy. :unsure:

In any case, the important thing is to support TTW fav Raul at this time. He’s taking this pro forma appeal very seriously. :giggle:
 
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