Sinner: "Tiafoe Went Too Far"

jbm

Rookie
When a player makes a fun gesture like FT did, it is an act of conceding to the opponent in a manner that allows the crowd to still enjoy the match. The only problem is that after the act, FT was supposed to roll over, and he didn't.
 

jga111

Hall of Fame
From the highlight reel it looks like Sinner lost to some very clever tactics from T - he gave him no rhythm and frequented the net. I think it was that simple - Sinner needs to chill out, focus on what he really needs to improve on
 

Arak

Hall of Fame
From the highlight reel it looks like Sinner lost to some very clever tactics from T - he gave him no rhythm and frequented the net. I think it was that simple - Sinner needs to chill out, focus on what he really needs to improve on
With all due respects, you can’t judge a match from the highlights. If you could, Shapovalov would be world #1.
 

Novichok

Professional
With all due respects, you can’t judge a match from the highlights. If you could, Shapovalov would be world #1.
Just saw some Shapovalov highlights, but got a totally different impression... :confused:
 
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NAS

Hall of Fame
Lol threatening? Was clearly made in gest.
It was not threatening from even my point but opposite players can take it as threatening way and he will be not wrong.
Remember Kyrgios actions in Cincinnati or was it Canada, he was angry at umpire but how disturbed Karen looked.
If Sinner is distracted then this is Tiafoe fault.
This is coming from Tiafoe fan, he should engage crowd but should not disturb other player with his actions.
Remember on this site people say bouncing ball by Novak is wrong but they are ok with this?
 

Arak

Hall of Fame
It was not threatening from even my point but opposite players can take it as threatening way and he will be not wrong.
Remember Kyrgios actions in Cincinnati or was it Canada, he was angry at umpire but how disturbed Karen looked.
If Sinner is distracted then this is Tiafoe fault.
This is coming from Tiafoe fan, he should engage crowd but should not disturb other player with his actions.
Remember on this site people say bouncing ball by Novak is wrong but they are ok with this?
Tiafoe tried to high-five Zverev at the changeover. Zverev didn’t react so Tiafoe gave him a pat on the shoulder. I’m sorry but that is totally unprofessional.
 

Zetty

Hall of Fame
It was not threatening from even my point but opposite players can take it as threatening way and he will be not wrong.
Remember Kyrgios actions in Cincinnati or was it Canada, he was angry at umpire but how disturbed Karen looked.
If Sinner is distracted then this is Tiafoe fault.
This is coming from Tiafoe fan, he should engage crowd but should not disturb other player with his actions.
Remember on this site people say bouncing ball by Novak is wrong but they are ok with this?
I haven't seen the entirety of the match, but the point was over when he did that, not sure how it matters. Was there some other distraction from Tiafoe?
 

RF-18

Talk Tennis Guru
I agree. Too much clowning and attention seeking. But if the crowds gets off on it then why not but from Sinners perspective I get where he is coming from. It is distracting.
 
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aldeayeah

Legend
A truly disgusting partisan crowd iirc. The stands packed to the brim with a full 17 people jeering Sinner’s every move - the commentators noted how it was reminiscent of the USO ‘15 final, but somehow more sinister.
If you've ever been to a middle school level soccer match, you'll know the true terror of a 17 people Spanish crowd.
 

stringertom

Bionic Poster
Sour Italian mountain valley grapes about going too far except for the question of some of the traveling high five circuits with the crowd occurring during the Sinner service games and thus interfered with the server’s right to play at his chosen pace. Now, if that exuberance was on points while Tiafoe was serving and the shot clock expired it’s all on the umpire for not enforcing the rule.
 

puppybutts

Semi-Pro
See from one minute
are y'all serious? you guys interpret that reaction as "threatening"? he's obviously goofing around and meant it as a compliment to sinner's passing shot. times like this i remember what cringy crawlies lurk TW. i suppose if tiafoe went over to high five him y'all would have seen that as an assault attempt. agree or disagree with the clowning around, idc, but to call that threatening is some serious delusion.
 

stringertom

Bionic Poster
A truly disgusting partisan crowd iirc. The stands packed to the brim with a full 17 people jeering Sinner’s every move - the commentators noted how it was reminiscent of the USO ‘15 final, but somehow more sinister.
Apparently you didn’t watch the match so you can’t get clever with the Internet acronym drop. I did watch the entire thing and there were, as any knowledgeable tennis fan would expect, several hundred local and regional fans on hand to watch the home town teen play his much anticipated first Challenger match.

#MockingHumorBigTimeFail
 

NAS

Hall of Fame
are y'all serious? you guys interpret that reaction as "threatening"? he's obviously goofing around and meant it as a compliment to sinner's passing shot. times like this i remember what cringy crawlies lurk TW. i suppose if tiafoe went over to high five him y'all would have seen that as an assault attempt. agree or disagree with the clowning around, idc, but to call that threatening is some serious delusion.
I clearly said opposite player may consider this, I do not, they also consider this disrespectful towards them, I am ok with this, may be because I am cricket fan where player sledge each other lot.
I remember Australian captain once saying to Jimmy Anderson that he will fu** ing knock his teeth down
 

Aabye5

Hall of Fame
Apparently you didn’t watch the match so you can’t get clever with the Internet acronym drop. I did watch the entire thing and there were, as any knowledgeable tennis fan would expect, several hundred local and regional fans on hand to watch the home town teen play his much anticipated first Challenger match.

#MockingHumorBigTimeFail
How do you know he didn't watch the match? It's on Youtube.
 

NAS

Hall of Fame
Tiafoe tried to high-five Zverev at the changeover. Zverev didn’t react so Tiafoe gave him a pat on the shoulder. I’m sorry but that is totally unprofessional.
Unprofessional this is the word but Sinner should be mentally prepared, so I will find fault in Sinner
 

Kralingen

Legend
Apparently you didn’t watch the match so you can’t get clever with the Internet acronym drop. I did watch the entire thing and there were, as any knowledgeable tennis fan would expect, several hundred local and regional fans on hand to watch the home town teen play his much anticipated first Challenger match.

#MockingHumorBigTimeFail

several hundred? Where exactly were they?
 

puppybutts

Semi-Pro
I kinda agree with Sinner. Not sure if Frances was doing it to get inside Jannik's head, but he was making a point of Sinner's great playing and was getting a little desperate with somewhat displaced attempts at humour.

We see a lot of this at club level: You're playing well, and on the changeover your opponent says "well, if you continue to play like that, this won't be a long match..." Everyone knows what happens next... :)

EDIT: I must add that I absolutely love watching Frances when he is playing well. He is one of the players I really hope can establish himself on a more consistently high level, lovely tennis.
oh no, my opponent playfully complimented my game! i guess i have to mentally fall apart now what kind of sick game is that??
 

1H-Backhand

New User
I have no real problem with that reaction and I wouldn't call it threatening. It was obviously done "tongue in cheek". But Tiafoe's behaviour is borderline gamesmanship, talking to his opponent at change overs to try and make him lose focus, hi-fiving the crowd when Sinner was serving, and generally acting like a clown. I do get that he is trying to have fun and he has every right to, but there are unspoken rules in tennis and he has broken quite a few of them in my view. Of course it is Sinner's job to try and blank him out (like Zverev kinda did in the final) and I am sure the kid will have learned a good lesson from this.
 

stringertom

Bionic Poster

several hundred? Where exactly were they?
You can’t see from the one camera angle but just listen to the applause and you can get a feel that several hundred is far closer than your “17 fans” sarcastic taunt.

Just admit when you’re owned for being off target. I never claimed it was anything but getting a taste of being the visiting villain and you had to get all smart arse with your iirc comment.
 
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stringertom

Bionic Poster
How do you know he didn't watch the match? It's on Youtube.
Nice third man in, dude! You guys are like a gang of teenage girls in a cat fight if someone challenges one. smh.

I know I was the only one watching it live to offer summation commentary on the match in the teenage talent thread. (Beginning #4757 pre-tournament).
 

Kralingen

Legend
You can’t see from the one camera angle but just listen to the applause and you can get a feel that several hundred is far closer than your “17 fans” sarcastic taunt.

Just admit when you’re owned for being off target. I never claimed it was anything but getting a taste of being the visiting villain and you had to get all smart arse with your iirc comment.
I was really just making a casual joke without malice, promise. I thought you were being tongue in cheek as well so was just riffing.

but if you really want to get technical: surely you can admit that a challenger like that is clearly a different experience entirely to a 5k+ indoor event like the ATP 500 in Vienna, both acoustically and atmospherically. It is not an exaggeration to say that is probably the largest crowd he’s played “against” no? The US Open and French Open matches may have had more numerical fans but as someone who was there in person, the atmosphere for the Zverev match was favoring Sinner, as was the Nadal match at the French Open.

to me it seemed Jannik was a little put off by it all and given how COVID has thrown off his introduction to the Tour, it’s hardly surprising given his lack of experience playing in front of crowds (yes, even though he did play in front of the formidable 150 Spaniards at the Alicante challenger) and I do think that this was by far his valuable learning experience to this point in terms of dealing with a rowdy atmosphere.
 

Aabye5

Hall of Fame
I was really just making a casual joke without malice, promise. I thought you were being tongue in cheek as well so was just riffing.

but if you really want to get technical: surely you can admit that a challenger like that is clearly a different experience entirely to a 5k+ indoor event like the ATP 500 in Vienna, both acoustically and atmospherically. It is not an exaggeration to say that is probably the largest crowd he’s played “against” no? The US Open and French Open matches may have had more numerical fans but as someone who was there in person, the atmosphere for the Zverev match was favoring Sinner, as was the Nadal match at the French Open.

to me it seemed Jannik was a little put off by it all and given how COVID has thrown off his introduction to the Tour, it’s hardly surprising given his lack of experience playing in front of crowds (yes, even though he did play in front of the formidable 150 Spaniards at the Alicante challenger) and I do think that this was by far his valuable learning experience to this point in terms of dealing with a rowdy atmosphere.
Sinner actually mentioned in his conversation with Khachanov that he is more used to playing in empty stadiums because he's younger, at least in comparison to older players who haven't played to empty stands in a long time (prior to COVID).
 

junior74

Talk Tennis Guru
oh no, my opponent playfully complimented my game! i guess i have to mentally fall apart now what kind of sick game is that??
I was commenting on why pro players have their own seats and never chat with the opponent during a match. Tennis is a game in which you need your concentration and focus to be tip top or you lose.

And yes, most club players have sick games :)
 

norcal

Hall of Fame
No issue IMO. Part of the reason why I don't care for tennis is that people who play it seem to hate fun. Can't even frame a serve two courts over and laugh without someone seething.
Having been to many pro tournaments, I would LOVE the players to be more animated and interact with the crowd more. Not to intentionally distract the other player but if you've just played a great point and your momentum finds you near the crowd, heck yeah give out some smiles and high fives (if you want).

But no, in tennis if there is someone finding their seat in the 43rd row, you look up at the fan like they are Satan himself, HOW DARE THEY!

Lighten up Frances tennis!
 

Arak

Hall of Fame
Having been to many pro tournaments, I would LOVE the players to be more animated and interact with the crowd more. Not to intentionally distract the other player but if you've just played a great point and your momentum finds you near the crowd, heck yeah give out some smiles and high fives (if you want).

But no, in tennis if there is someone finding their seat in the 43rd row, you look up at the fan like they are Satan himself, HOW DARE THEY!

Lighten up Frances tennis!
We do have the Davis Cup where everyone can get as rowdy as they possibly can.
 

Mikael

Professional
This thread is incomplete without a reference to this for old times sake (Muster chasing Henman off the court at the USO in 97):


Seriously I don't think Sinners complaint was about the "threatening" gesture, or if it was then that's really lame from him !
 

NAS

Hall of Fame
This thread is incomplete without a reference to this for old times sake (Muster chasing Henman off the court at the USO in 97):


Seriously I don't think Sinners complaint was about the "threatening" gesture, or if it was then that's really lame from him !
Bad analogy, it is just like saying why are crying about normal bag snatching when my whole house is robbed.
Sinner can precive whatever he wants, for Sinner it was unprofessional and I will going to side with Sinner, Sinner is mentally weak now that is Sinner problem.
 

puppybutts

Semi-Pro
I clearly said opposite player may consider this, I do not, they also consider this disrespectful towards them, I am ok with this, may be because I am cricket fan where player sledge each other lot.
I remember Australian captain once saying to Jimmy Anderson that he will fu** ing knock his teeth down
"Coming from Tiafoe fan but that reaction was unwanted, he do went far, break a racquet if you loose a point but threatening other player with that gesture is wrong without any provocation"
That is what you said, you said nothing about an opposite player might think that. You called his gesture threatening. Also post #9 and the people who liked it.
 

NAS

Hall of Fame
"Coming from Tiafoe fan but that reaction was unwanted, he do went far, break a racquet if you loose a point but threatening other player with that gesture is wrong without any provocation"
That is what you said, you said nothing about an opposite player might think that. You called his gesture threatening. Also post #9 and the people who liked it.
May be I used wrong words but Sinner was not ok with his reaction and I don't see how Sinner is wrong in it, Sinner comes across mentally weak but not wrong
 
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Aabye5

Hall of Fame
May be I used wrong words but Sinner was not ok with his reaction and I don't see how Dinner is wrong in it, Sinner comes across mentally weak but not wrong
Because he didn't threaten Sinner. He made a gesture as a joke, and clearly his intent was not to hit Sinner. Now, whether Tiafoe should have done it all (or whether Roddick should have thrown that racquet at Fed) is definitely up for debate.
 

krmr

New User
why are y'all still discussing about the "threatening" gesture (Sinner smiled 'cause he knew he was joking) when Sinner's major complaint is that Tiafoe was making him wait to serve?

scenes like this one (@1:45)
 

Bluefan75

Professional
This thread is incomplete without a reference to this for old times sake (Muster chasing Henman off the court at the USO in 97):


Seriously I don't think Sinners complaint was about the "threatening" gesture, or if it was then that's really lame from him !
This Muster thing was fine until that last racquet swing. I think that one could be perceived as out of bounds, since he was right on top of him.

Did he get some kind of penalty for that?
 

Giorgilli

Semi-Pro
I watched the Sinner match and was surprised by Tiafoe’s gesture after the point. It was so late after the point, it clearly wasn’t reactionary, and was borderline threatening towards Sinner. I’m a big Tiafoe fan too, I think he just got lost in the moment. No question a poor decision on Tiafoes part at the end of the day.
it's perspectives like this that make me hate the tennis community. He's allowed to ****ing celebrate, once the big 3 leaves the sport will be dead because anyone who shows a tiny bit of charisma or character is instantly accused of complete ********. you want everyone to be completely silent, shake hands and be the most generic, politically correct and boring players ever?
 
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