Sinner vs Alcaraz Beijing Final 2024

[nolefam_2024]

@NoleFam https://www.tennisabstract.com/cgi-...c&f=ACareerqqB0C1&q=RafaelNadal&q=RafaelNadal

 

[Bastion]

Djovak Nokovic of course.

 

[NoleFam]

Well let's just wait for the stats to come through. They are not going to make sinner fans happy.


This match sinner never played better. If both are playing their best , how can sinner hope to win buddy.

Faced 15 break points. 15. He never once bullied on serve. Never.

See the stats.
55% serves in
66% first serve pts won.

The dude is 6'4

Yea 55% first serve is not good but sometimes the serve is not there. It happens to the best players. I would think Alcaraz faced a lot of pressure on his serve as well.

 

[NoleFam]

@NoleFam https://www.tennisabstract.com/cgi-...c&f=ACareerqqB0C1&q=RafaelNadal&q=RafaelNadal

Link doesn't work.

 

[dking68]

3-0 this year mate

Tough for him. Really tough with all the offcourt issues. Hopefully the verdict will be out by the time Shanghai ends or so

 

[bw114]

@ibbi does this make Cobolli the true Italian number one? The answer may shock you.

 

[NYTennisfan]

I never boasted, I actually thought Carlos would win with the offcourt issues. If wada hadn’t appealed, it would’ve been a repeat of last years result

Carlos beat Sinner twice this year before the off court issues so...

 

[Succession]

Tough for him. Too much pressure offcourt. I’m sure if he was at even his A- hardcourt level he would’ve won today. He’s a tiebreak king and lost the most important tiebreak today

LOL dude, you sound like a broken record

 

[Olli Jokinen]

Yes, it is bad ... I hear your pain, it is like the anti-Djokovic fanatacism?

Facts and reality is, tennis people, friends and foes, will always be talking about the Goat whether you or anyone else like it or not, get used to it, sorry?

He took tennis to another level, after the great Fedal were the bronze and silver standard of tennis, Novak is now the gold standard of tennis after the gold at the Olympics. Every future player or tennis star will be compared to him, asking will this or that guy be better? Can they surpass all his goat records, who will be the next goat etc?

Sinner maybe, but Carlos definitely can save the misery of all that think that even after the Goat retired, he will be not talked about. Not going to happen, he was part and made history already, and who knows, maybe he has another GS in him.

I don't care. And people will probably stop talking about Djokovic. Especially his most fanatic Serbian nationalist fans who will stop following tennis once he retires.

And you're still trying to make this thread about Djokovic if you haven't noticed. Silly stuff.

 

[NYTennisfan]

When I woke up this morning, it was 4 all in the 3rd and I missed most of this. That was a quite a performance from Alcaraz down love - 3 in the tiebreak. He turned on the afterburners. Sinner is 0-3 against Alcaraz this year. That is a shocking stat from such a great season and the world #1. Alcaraz has only 1 loss against the top 5 all year. Wow.

Is that true? That's an incredible stat, the loss to Zverev at the AO is the one that immediately comes to mind. Well, he did lose to Djokovic at the Olympics but not an ATP match.

 

[NoleFam]

Is that true? That's an incredible stat, the loss to Zverev at the AO is the one that immediately comes to mind. Well, he did lose to Djokovic at the Olympics but not an ATP match.

Yes, Tennis Channel showed the graphic after the match. He's something like 8-1 against the top 5 this year. Zverev was ranked #6 at the time and he also lost to Rublev, so that's 3 losses to the top 10 this year on the other hand.

 

[Zetty]

Well 6'1 - 6'2 is the ideal height for a tennis player. You have the reach and center of gravity for great movement and balance. 6'4 isn't that ideal although we've seen some great players that height. Sampras, Federer, Nadal and Djokovic were all 6'1 or 6'2.

Recency bias, Borg and Agassi and a host of others were 5'11" and shorter. And if you look at the current top 10, more than half the players are 6'4" or taller. There is no ideal, other than move well, be fit and have good mechanics which plenty of players do above and below the size you mentioned.

 

[NYTennisfan]

Yes, Tennis Channel showed the graphic after the match. He's something like 8-1 against the top 5 this year. Zverev was ranked #6 at the time and he also lost to Rublev, so that's 3 losses to the top 10 this year on the other hand.

Seems like so long ago that Zverev was ranked outside the top 5 so I forgot that he was #6 to start the year. In any event, 8-1 against the top 5 is absurdly good.
So who was the top 5 loss to then? I guess Rublev in Madrid, hard to believe that Rublev was a top 5 player.

 

[Pablo1989]

So, who do we think is the best player in the world right now? Sinner who's had the better year, or Alcaraz who's had a very good year and 3-0 against SIN on the way?

Alcaraz of course

1. No clostebol
2. RG-W >>> AO-US
3. 3-0 h2h

 

[nolefam_2024]

Yea 55% first serve is not good but sometimes the serve is not there. It happens to the best players. I would think Alcaraz faced a lot of pressure on his serve as well.

He didn't

Alcaraz faced zero pressure on his serves.

Sinner is not God to win at 55% he needs first serve in high sixties and that's what he was doing in first half of the season.

 

[nolefam_2024]

@NoleFam going back to 2006 the only time Djokovic served worse vs nadal than sinner today was in Indian wells 2007. That's 60 matches.

And Djokovic lost that match despite on HC.

You have to reserve your best tennis vs best players.

 

[nolefam_2024]

This is only match this year where sinner won less pts than his opponent. Even in his 5 losses before he always won more pts.

Today was very bad
132 to 120
+12 for Carlos.

 

[junior74]

He didn't

Alcaraz faced zero pressure on his serves.

Sinner is not God to win at 55% he needs first serve in high sixties and that's what he was doing in first half of the season.

Like Fritz, Sinner has a shockingly neutral 2nd serve for a tall guy. Top servers afraid of utilising their own advantage. Bizarre.

Novak and Roger's (sorry, wrong section!) 2nd serves are almost like 1st serves because of the bold placement and variation.

 

[Djokovic_is_the_best#1]

Congratulations alcaraz and alcaraz fans. The alcaraz fans now have a strong argument in their favour. Sinner has won 2 slams had his best season but Carlos goes 3-0 over him and wins 2 slams himself. That is massive and does show who is the bigger match player and in finals. Sinner is very consistent and a great player but alcaraz just that insane peak level he reaches that no one else currently on the field can.

It is an interesting debate who has had the best year now and this win only strengthens Carlos case a lot.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Like Fritz, Sinner has a shockingly neutral 2nd serve for a tall guy. Top servers afraid of utilising their own advantage. Bizarre.

Novak and Roger's (sorry, wrong section!) 2nd serves are almost like 1st serves because of the bold placement and variation.

Roger started this I am guessing and nole copied it. Go hard to fh on second serves.

Sinner second reminds me of Andy Murray.

 

[Rovesciarete]

I was surprised at how much damage Alcaraz was doing off the ground. He had some pretty untidy misses because of how hard he was going at his shots but in the end the plan worked out for him.

There were also times I got that old feeling of watching Djokovic with Sinner, the relentless solidness and consistency that so often wins out, but not this time.

Alcaraz was clearly in better form and on a slow outdoor surface his shift into god mode comes easier. Loved his forehand slice as a variation, was expecting it to become a tactical change-up for Charlie.

Sinner‘s serve was below his usual level but he was holding surprisingly well against an ATG returner. Struggled at the net but whole deosn’t when you have Alcaraz blasting and passing like few others in history.

Ironically I think Sinner has clearer improvement potential. Certainly physical but especially the should be also a considerably better server at 25-26.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Alcaraz was clearly in better form and on a slow outdoor surface his shift into god mode comes easier. Loved his forehand slice as a variation, was expecting it to become a tactical change-up for Charlie.

Sinner‘s serve was below his usual level but he was holding surprisingly well against an ATG returner. Struggled at the net but look well when you have Alcaraz blasting and passing.

Ironically I think Sinner has clearer improvement potential. Certainly physical but especially the should be also a considerably better server at 25-26.

You know why

Raz was 3/15 on bp and sinner did not do much for this. Raz is boneheaded player who gives up advantage which is why I fear him less than sinner as a nolefam.

Sinner was not doing much to hold his serve.

 

[NoleFam]

Recency bias, Borg and Agassi and a host of others were 5'11" and shorter. And if you look at the current top 10, more than half the players are 6'4" or taller. There is no ideal, other than move well, be fit and have good mechanics which plenty of players do above and below the size you mentioned.

When Borg played, it was basically a different game. 5'11 was a pretty good height then. Agassi is relevant in this discussion and he was great but he maxed out at 8 Slams. When you compare that to the 4 guys I mentioned, you see why 6'1 and 6'2 is the more ideal height. Yea a bunch of 6'4 guys when only 1 has won multiple Slams.

 

[NoleFam]

Seems like so long ago that Zverev was ranked outside the top 5 so I forgot that he was #6 to start the year. In any event, 8-1 against the top 5 is absurdly good.
So who was the top 5 loss to then? I guess Rublev in Madrid, hard to believe that Rublev was a top 5 player.

Olympic final is his only loss to a top 5 player this year.

 

[NoleFam]

@NoleFam going back to 2006 the only time Djokovic served worse vs nadal than sinner today was in Indian wells 2007. That's 60 matches.

And Djokovic lost that match despite on HC.

You have to reserve your best tennis vs best players.

I'm pretty sure Djokovic had 50-57% first serve matches against Nadal in that timeframe.

 

[bluetrain4]

Didn't get to watch but looking at the score, the match didn't disappoint. Nice.

 

[Rafa4LifeEver]

I like your coping mechanism, excuse is already ready

Alright mate. It was not an excuse but a logical post.

 

[Rafa4LifeEver]

Congratulations alcaraz and alcaraz fans. The alcaraz fans now have a strong argument in their favour. Sinner has won 2 slams had his best season but Carlos goes 3-0 over him and wins 2 slams himself. That is massive and does show who is the bigger match player and in finals. Sinner is very consistent and a great player but alcaraz just that insane peak level he reaches that no one else currently on the field can.

It is an interesting debate who has had the best year now and this win only strengthens Carlos case a lot.

Alcaraz definitely needs to be more clutch than he was today. This could've been 63 64 for him but he just kept on missing, again & again on all big points. If not for the purple patch at the end in the deciding set breaker, he'd have converted a straightforward win into a nailbiting loss.

 

[Rafa4LifeEver]

Roger started this I am guessing and nole copied it. Go hard to fh on second serves.

Sinner second reminds me of Andy Murray.

Neither Roger nor Novak started it, Pete did.
@junior74

 

[KennyoFatoBoiyo]

Lol , son! Carlos can happily take BO3 Mickey mouse events on HC , Sinner knows HC slams are the real deal

Carlos is 5-2 against Sinner on hard courts including 1-0 on HC slams lol. Cope harder bro.

 

[Rafa4LifeEver]

Match stats & trophy presentation photos

 

[TheSlicer]

I can guarantee you that ,son!! Btw congratulations to @TheSlicer now stop hiding and don't wait for IW, your boy has given you a Mickey mouse on HC to celebrate. Enjoy it till AO, son

Just finished watching the replay, honestly It was a toss Up, yeah Alcaraz played better but he could have very well end Up losing, maybe i expected a little higher level, but yeah, its a 500, i guess its ok, now we can say Beijing plays like clay too, like wimbledon

 

[TheSlicer]

But yeah in general its a great match Up, the super risky player Who makes impossible shots but then misses 5 easy forehands in a row, vs the super Boring baseline robot Who cant be outhit consistently but when you give him variety you expose his lack of hand skill

 

[nolefam_2024]

I'm pretty sure Djokovic had 50-57% first serve matches against Nadal in that timeframe.

Never

1 time he reached 51 was Indian wells

 

[TheSlicer]

Well if the hard courts are basically clay courts by speed you can hardly call them hard courts.

Indian Wells plays much closer to Rome than something like Shangai.

Oh yeah you could see how slow the ball was for the whole week, lol, did you watch the matches?

 

[Djumhur]

Congratulations alcaraz and alcaraz fans. The alcaraz fans now have a strong argument in their favour. Sinner has won 2 slams had his best season but Carlos goes 3-0 over him and wins 2 slams himself. That is massive and does show who is the bigger match player and in finals. Sinner is very consistent and a great player but alcaraz just that insane peak level he reaches that no one else currently on the field can.

It is an interesting debate who has had the best year now and this win only strengthens Carlos case a lot.

there is still a lot of tennis to be played this year. Shanghai, Paris and finals. I wonder if Carlos can win any of them. I think Sinner wins Paris and finals

 

[Racquet_smash]

Oh yeah you could see how slow the ball was for the whole week, lol, did you watch the matches?

The match today was played like a clay court one. Ball were bouncing high and there were several long rallies. The US open isn't played on very fast courts and yet it's much faster than this.

 

[fedfan24]

The match today was played like a clay court one. Ball were bouncing high and there were several long rallies. The US open isn't played on very fast courts and yet it's much faster than this.

This. Sinner whacked a few shots close to the line that Alcaraz managed to lob or tap back waiting for an error. Some of those should’ve been clean winners on a proper surface.

 

[Racquet_smash]

This. Sinner whacked a few shots close to the line that Alcaraz managed to lob or tap back waiting for an error. Some of those should’ve been clean winners on a proper surface.

Yes, you don’t see players defending so many point closing shots like today. It was much closer to a clay court match.

 

[TheSlicer]

Lol, now Beijing is not a proper hard court, yeah people get off the pipe

 

[nolefam_2024]

@NoleFam

this year he hit 55% or lesser 11 times already.

Tennis Abstract: Jannik Sinner Match Results, Splits, and Analysis

@Hitman I was saying this before his cincinnati win remember?

Sinner vs Zverev - Cincinnati 2024 semi finals

Wow Zverev really likes this match up!

tt.tennis-warehouse.com

 

[NYTennisfan]

Olympic final is his only loss to a top 5 player this year.

Oh I guess that should count. I was just thinking about tour record.

 

[KennyoFatoBoiyo]

Everybody gloats over the win over Alcaraz but it took a solid A/A+ hardcourt level from him to beat a B mode Sinner in 3hrs 21 min. Oh man, I hope the ban lifts and the pressure off those shoulders eases off

Ok? What's your excuse when he lost to Alcaraz at the French Open and Indian Wells where he was clearly playing just fine? Or how about their epic 5 setter at the US open quarterfinal in 2022 when both players played their best tennis?

All the while Carlos being the less experienced player on tour and younger by 2 years??

Give it a rest. It's pretty much widely accepted that when Carlos plays his best tennis or close to it he's the best player in the world right now. Even Djokovic says he's never seen a player like him who's so well rounded.

 

[TheSlicer]

Everybody gloats over the win over Alcaraz but it took a solid A/A+ hardcourt level from him to beat a B mode Sinner in 3hrs 21 min. Oh man, I hope the ban lifts and the pressure off those shoulders eases off

Alcaraz didnt play too good man, just a little better than sinner, dont let the skill shots fool you to think otherwise, he makes those every match

 

[FeroBango]

Insane.

5-5

The aggressive shotmaking has shades of Federer v Djokovic all over it.

It's why it's my favorite rivalry around. I hare to see Carlos lose but my god the heights these guys reach.

 

[Aabye5]

Alcaraz goes to 3-0 this year against Sinner. 2 wins on hard and 1 on clay.

The two each hold 2 slams. Sinner with 2 Masters but Alcaraz with 1.

End of the year is going to be fun, Sinner is clearly number 1 only by paper and paper alone. Alcaraz leading him.

Because he lost to one player that makes him number 1 on paper? How does that make sense?

 

[Daniel Andrade]

This mf catches the line every other shot

Someone is sour grapes

 

[NYTennisfan]

It's why it's my favorite rivalry around. I hare to see Carlos lose but my god the heights these guys reach.

There's definitely a Big 3 aura with his new rivalry. One can argue whether or not they're as good as those guys and they probably aren't but that really doesn't matter, the rivalry just has the "it" factor and tennis needs it to continue to flourish because the tour is hurting a bit outside these two and Oldovic.

 

[dking68]

Carlos beat Sinner twice this year before the off court issues so...

He knew about the offcourt issues in their RG match

 

[Daniel Andrade]

4-3 and he catches 2 lucky lines in a single point. Just **** off you lucky midget

'lucky'