roysid
Legend
The kings reign is coming to end
Sinner vs Djokovic Shangai Final 2024
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junior74
Bionic Poster
Well put.
Krish872007
Talk Tennis Guru
Not that it matters much given Novak's age / stage of his career, but Sinner does level up their H2H at 4-4. May end up with the lead when all's said and done
Hitman
Bionic Poster
Even the greatest have to face the sunset, as is the case with Novak now. Still, not bad, came here rusty, and made the final, and it took the best player on the planet to beat him. Sinner deserved it and is the rightful number one.
zagor
Bionic Poster
Med was a decent 1.5 player but I think he's slowly falling off, who else is there? Fritz?
Yeah, we seem to be headed into another 2 man show for the next few years atleast.
N01E
Hall of Fame
Congrats to Sinner. 2 GS, 3 M1000 and there's still Bercy and YEC left. Clear #1 right now. Outside of big 3, this has to be the best season since like 1997. Wish there wasn't the controversy, but it is what it is. Shame Novak didn't get the win, but his level was actually quite decent.
Im(moral) Winner
G.O.A.T.
Tomas Machac
Nostradamus
Bionic Poster
Alcarez is samartest guy in all this, he lost on purpose, so he doesn't have to play Sinner again............LOL 
One of my tweets ended up being retweeted by him positively. Worst day of my life.
Djokovic_is_the_best#1
Bionic Poster
I love the efficiency of his tennis though. He’s so solid and remains cool. This is why he’s rarely upset early.
mightyjeditribble
Legend
Djokovic is now in a similar position to Fed for most of the second half of his career - still better than most others on most days, but Roger would come up against Djokovic (and Nadal to a lesser degree) almost every time.
Sinner and Alcaraz are still young though, we can't expect them to reach all the finals (although this year they pretty much did). On the other hand, there are two of them, so Djokovic might either need to have a very good day or get a bit lucky to win another slam title.
He might still have the edge indoors though. Could be interesting at the ATP Finals.
Sinner and Alcaraz are still young though, we can't expect them to reach all the finals (although this year they pretty much did). On the other hand, there are two of them, so Djokovic might either need to have a very good day or get a bit lucky to win another slam title.
He might still have the edge indoors though. Could be interesting at the ATP Finals.
Sinner at Wimbledon moment.Alcarez is samartest guy in all this, he lost on purpose, so he doesn't have to play Sinner again............LOL
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He does represent the fanbase though but such accounts exist across the spectrum, except that Djokovic and the coterie follow him no?
I agree anyway, a pretty damn obnoxious account.
Winner Sinner
Hall of Fame
All more or less as expected. Djokovic still has the level to be able to play on equal terms against Sinneraz, the problem is that the time space is increasingly reduced within a match. In the best of 3 sets he can always have a minimal chance, like today if he had won the first set in the tiebreak perhaps the match would have taken a different turn with a Sinner under more pressure in the second set, but in the best of 5 sets the margin for this Nole against Sinneraz is reduced to the minimum terms and will get worse and worse.
However, his class and mental solidity are always unshakeable by time, in the first set before the tiebreak on points he would have deserved more. He knew he couldn't handle Sinner's crazy pace in the rallies for too long and he asked a lot of his own serve, in fact in the first set he served divinely. As for Sinner, I always have the impression of seeing in him a lot of Djokovic in his prime, at times when the Serbian held the exchange nonchalantly it seemed like a mirror match, so similar are their styles. Having said that, the most impressive thing about this matchup is that Djokovic failed to get a single break point in the last 6 sets played against Sinner. He is his natural heir.
However, his class and mental solidity are always unshakeable by time, in the first set before the tiebreak on points he would have deserved more. He knew he couldn't handle Sinner's crazy pace in the rallies for too long and he asked a lot of his own serve, in fact in the first set he served divinely. As for Sinner, I always have the impression of seeing in him a lot of Djokovic in his prime, at times when the Serbian held the exchange nonchalantly it seemed like a mirror match, so similar are their styles. Having said that, the most impressive thing about this matchup is that Djokovic failed to get a single break point in the last 6 sets played against Sinner. He is his natural heir.
chjtennis
G.O.A.T.
Well, it turned out to be a confirmation that we are now in Sincaraz era. It was good that Novak won the Olympics, finally got that one title he so wanted. Even then, I think Alcaraz got a little too confident and threw the match away. Carlitos looked so confident and was on an exhibition mode early on, but he didn't know Djokovic was not done yet and got carried away too much after beating Nole with relative ease at Wimby. That kind of mistake is bound to happen to a young player and it was a learning experience for him, while it completed the trophy collection for Novak. Despite all that, I think we are now in Sincaraz era and Djokovic may still catch them and beat them on their off days, but otherwise, Sincaraz are expected to win whenever they face Djokovic.
Djokovic_is_the_best#1
Bionic Poster
Exactly right. He’s in the old Fed situation and behind these 2 powerhouses. He has to hope for 1 last opening in a major if the others go off form or something. It doesn’t depend on him now. If he wants a chance of more titles he maybe should consider playing more 250s/500s over masters too where sinner and alcaraz likely aren’t at as much. Djokovic had to be selective now but if he can still beat most players bar then he still has chances for smalller titles and maybe vulturing 1 more slam.
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TheSlicer
Guest
Congrats to juice fans! It was a great win, couldnt finish watching the match myself because i fell asleep, but god bless the endurance of juice fans forever, hes the most consistent ATM, theres no doubt, If tennis had pay per view, he wouldnt be in the top 50 money makers, but besides that, hes a great kid and he didnt really choose what kind of people was gonna support him, now bye (oh, and i dont wanna hear how i dont congratulate juice fans after a win, im a really humble guy and always congratulate my juicy oponents when they deserve It)
Im(moral) Winner
G.O.A.T.
Want some fries with your salt?
chjtennis
G.O.A.T.
Let's not forget. Big 3 had plenty of wins like that - coming back from the brink of defeat.
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TheSlicer
Guest
Just congratulating with the same Coin, thats all, dont you tell me you all deserve any better, sinner does, but his fanbase here, well... If you put them all in a boat and send them to iceland i dont think anyone would complain
Winners or Errors
Legend
Wow. Just watched the highlights. Certainly not in the right time zone to get up and watch the match. Looks like Djokovic was playing as well as he can play these days and it wasn't enough... Torch passed?
Tallawah Tennis
Professional
Beautifully put, man. This moment belongs to Jannik, who was superb when needed. Congratulations to him for an outstanding year to date - it would not surprise me if he went on to win even more in the remaining season this year. The kid is blossoming, very good to see in the development of a youngster's career.
It is impressive to see Novak compete so well even now, and to want to do so. I hope he'll continue to play well if he competes.
Both dudes graceful in their respective speeches. I was aware that part of Novak's former team had joined Jannik but not that some of Jannik's former team had joined Novak! Obviously, both sides experienced in supporting great players.
It was good to see Roger there, enjoying the match, and Carlitos / Juan Carlos sitting with him, chatting.
As for what will / will not happen looking forward, one hopes for good tennis, and interesting, well contested matches. Some of the fan comments in this and other threads are little more than juvenile blabbing - akin to the 'my God is better than your God' mentality. Embarrassing, as well as meaningless. That said, anyone doubting that Jannik has had the best year to date this year is simply wrong. Quite apart from the title wins, he has been number 1 since ( I think) June and is the year end number 1 too. His has not just been a good year, but an outstanding one. The other achievement that is unmatched is his consistency - this above all leads to a successful career, and Jannik is already adept at it. It will be a fascinating end of season / new season, and I for one am hoping that Jannik and Carlitos and other youngsters who have shown promise will be fit and well and hungry for the challenge.
He wasn't schooled just outplayed by a better player on the day, as it should be considering their ages and form of last 12 months.
ppma
Hall of Fame
I see what you did there lol
I agree . However, not sure if Novak is quite as bothered about catching Roger or Jimmy's overall title record, as some of his fans are.
If he was then yes play a handful of 250's over next 18 months and he should at least catch Roger.
I also agree that perhaps for next 12 months then if Novak is playing 100% focussed and at his best level he can potentially beat anyone apart from Sinner and Carlos at their best. So he could still claim one last GS if he avoids both and there is always a chance that one or both may get injured or knocked out a GS early.
However, I think Novak won't tolerate sticking around if he knows he can no longer regularly have shot of beating either of them. I stick to my gut feeling that he will retire late next year or after Aussie open in 2p026.
jl809
Legend
Just watched a 20 min highlight reel of the match. Djoker was good! The better player in set 1 for sure pre tiebreak. Attacked intelligently, opened up the court off both wings. Volleyed like a bit of an arse here and there but generally did fine. Clearly his best HC level of the year against proper opposition (can’t read much into playing Cobolli etc)
Why he lost is because (1) Sinner doesn’t give a sh** about Djoker’s consistency and depth as he can respond in kind and just sit in these deep heavy baseline rallies until out of nowhere he’ll drop a DTL bomb (a bit like how Stan used to), (2) Sinner is now evidently That Guy when it comes to tiebreaks now (Djoker’s monopolisation of tiebreaks lasted 3 years and is now very clearly over) and finally (3) when he’s on it Sinner can serve better than Stan, Rafa or Murray ever did in their primes, and Djoker’s return has declined a tiny bit
Why he lost is because (1) Sinner doesn’t give a sh** about Djoker’s consistency and depth as he can respond in kind and just sit in these deep heavy baseline rallies until out of nowhere he’ll drop a DTL bomb (a bit like how Stan used to), (2) Sinner is now evidently That Guy when it comes to tiebreaks now (Djoker’s monopolisation of tiebreaks lasted 3 years and is now very clearly over) and finally (3) when he’s on it Sinner can serve better than Stan, Rafa or Murray ever did in their primes, and Djoker’s return has declined a tiny bit
Zardoz7/12
Hall of Fame
Djokovic actually played very well, possibly the best we've seen from him barring his Olympics run but Sinner had another gear.
nolefam_2024
Bionic Poster
Just watching the highlights
Sinner is scary.
Sinner is scary.
messiahrobins
G.O.A.T.
Djokovic and his wife loathe him, i have heard his wife wants her picture removed off his profile and contacted lawyers about it at one time but it was decided it could be a PR disaster, which it probably would be given how the media twist things.
messiahrobins
G.O.A.T.
Id take Alcaraz's year all day long though despite Sinner being the rightful no.1. As for Novak, i wonder if he should retire now as its clear Alcaraz and Sinner have moved the chains and i dont want to see him go out like Agassi, Nadal and Federer all of whom went on 2 years too long. Djokovic wont ever beat Sinner or Alcaraz in a slam again ,thats now blatantly obvious. Someone needs to now be telling him that privately.
messiahrobins
G.O.A.T.
Novak i think may call it a day early next season announcement wise and play out 2025 on a farewell tour. Today he visibly wilted 2nd set as his legs started to go, that was indoors in a best of 3 set match.
Outdoors in heat against Alcaraz and Sinner best of 5 next season will be brutal and it will be trajic to see one of the greatest players ever to go out being hammered by the new ATGs on the block, i remember how sad it was seeing Agassi getting brutalised by Nadal and Federer at the end of his career.
Hitman
Bionic Poster
You might be right, I think you are only one who accurately predicted all of Nadal's losses this year, and predicted he would retire before end of the season. I believe you even predicted the rounds of each of Nadal's losses, which was exceptional. Maybe you should speak to Djokovic also and tell him where he will be losing all his matches, you certainly got it right this year for Nadal, better than any of us.
messiahrobins
G.O.A.T.
Alcaraz is a superior player, proved it this year. Far more complete. Sinner deserved to be no.1, pleased for him as he is a great guy, but Alcaraz simply is a level above.
RS
Bionic Poster
What did you think Beterbiev Bivol?
nolefam_2024
Bionic Poster
Sinner is new Djokovic. So be very wary.
Winner Sinner
Hall of Fame
For me, as a Sinner fan, it would be fine even if he continued to always serve as he does here in Shanghai, I'm not asking for greater incisiveness (otherwise he would become semi-unbeatable) but that he could further increase the percentage of firsts. Here he did it great, I think over 65% of first serves in the entire tournament, and it paid dividends as in 6 games Sinner only lost his turn on serve on two occasions. In general in 2024 Sinner is winning around 92% of its service games, these are elite level serverbot percentages. I don't care how incisive his serve is, the important thing is the final product (bringing home the point), so I would put my signature on it so that Sinner can continue to maintain this percentage of service game wins obtained in 2024 in the long term.
Returning to his tournament in Shanghai, it seems clear to me that compared to the 500m in Beijing here he raised his level immediately, in Beijing his career was very intermittent, here in Shanghai with the exception of the match with Etcheverry (we also give credit to (the Argentinian for how he managed to play the first set and a half that day) was always very constant, expressing hyper-solid tennis. I think that between now and the end of the season his trend may continue to grow, I expect his peak in Turin.
Returning to his tournament in Shanghai, it seems clear to me that compared to the 500m in Beijing here he raised his level immediately, in Beijing his career was very intermittent, here in Shanghai with the exception of the match with Etcheverry (we also give credit to (the Argentinian for how he managed to play the first set and a half that day) was always very constant, expressing hyper-solid tennis. I think that between now and the end of the season his trend may continue to grow, I expect his peak in Turin.
TheGoldenEra1990’s
Hall of Fame
Good for the game. Sinner now owns Djoker. . Djoker still winning tournaments at 50 is horrible for the future of the game. Sinner needs to win all 4 slams next year
NaDjoFed
Professional
He has to improve on clay. This year was better than 2023 was still not enough to win titles. He also injured his ankle around the clay season but still, I truly hope he can improve also on clay
nolefam_2024
Bionic Poster
Improve what. He is 1 set away from the final.
Djokovic was 25 before his first RG final.
NaDjoFed
Professional
True but also lost vs Tsitsipas in Monaco. On Hard Court would have never happen.
RS
Bionic Poster
Thank goodness you agree Beterbiev won. I thought he won as well.
I thought I was going mad reading some the post fight responses . Yeah can't wait for the rematch.
nolefam_2024
Bionic Poster
Tsitsipas is 3 time mc champion. 2 rg semis and a final where he was a set away from title.
Come on now. Just this MC, tsitsipas almost bageled Sascha Zverev who is incredible on cc.
And still sinner lost because of umpire fault. Which won't happen next year when electronic line calling starts. Sinner was beating Tsitsi who is great in mc to a pulp.
It's Nadal 11
Tsitsi 3
And then the rest. He is that good.
Winner Sinner
Hall of Fame
He had many extenuating circumstances. In Monte Carlo the sensational refereeing oversight to go ahead by two breaks in the decisive set of the semi-final against Tsitsipas. In Madrid he had to withdraw from the tournament before the quarter-finals due to a hip injury when he had a motorway injury, a hip problem which then compromised his best approach to Paris where he still reached the semi-final, losing to Alcaraz in fifth, scoring more points than Spanish and after slapping him in the first set (and immediately breaking in the second set) before his intensity began to drop dramatically. Sinner is ready to win many tournaments on clay, indeed on all surfaces, he simply must have more luck = less troubled approaches.
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