Sinner vs Fed by age 23 and Alcaraz vs Rafa by age 21

[Neptune]

by age 23​	vs Top5​	T5 Weight​	vs Top10​	T10 Weight​	vs T11+​	T11+ Weight​	vs All​
Sinner​	46 (22-24) 47.83%​	13.53%​	71 (39-32) 54.93%​	20.88%​	269 (221-48) 82.16%​	79.12%​	340 (260-80) 76.47%​
Fed​	34 (24-10) 70.59%​	7.98%​	74 (46-28) 62.16%​	17.37%​	352 (264-88) 75.00%​	82.63%​	426 (310-116) 72.77%​
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by age 21​	vs Top5​	T5 Weight​	vs Top10​	T10 Weight​	vs T11+​	T11+ Weight​	vs All​
Alcaraz​	31 (20-11) 64.52%​	11.74%​	55 (35-20) 63.64%​	20.83%​	209 (173-36) 82.78%​	79.17%​	264 (208-56) 78.79%​
Rafa​	28 (18-10) 64.29%​	8.78%​	46 (30-16) 65.22%​	14.42%​	273 (223-50) 81.68%​	85.58%​	319 (253-66) 79.31%​

What do you see? Which duo had the easier path?
Some started out in the vacuum, how nice when top5 and top10 opponents hardly even show up.
Does this reflect the era's strength?
Can era strength be used to mislead the actual difficulty of a player's actual path?

 

[RG GOD]

I see that Rafa and Roger played a lot more matches than Carlos and the doper.
And that Carlos and Rafa career is almost the same at 21 years.

 

[Rafa4LifeEver]

Those Fedal would crush the Italian doper and the Tiny Spaniard.

 

[GRASScaraz]

21 year old Nadal would get crushed by Zvereb Medvedev, Oldovic etc on hard court

 

[nolefam_2024]

Both Sineraz have had tougher than vaccum that was created in late 90s till early 2000s. Federer did come to save us. But he had no one.

 

[ChaelAZ]

Sinner and Alcaraz are certainly in line and on par with Fed and Nadal. We will see how they continue to develop.

 

[kevaninho]

Sinner and Alcaraz are certainly in line and on par with Fed and Nadal. We will see how they continue to develop.

Not in terms of their game, no.

 

[jackson vile]

Amazing, but wait for the haters to come knocking

 

[Mustard]

Nadal is the best young player of that lot by some way. Both he and Borg won 16 tournaments as a teenager. Nadal's 81 wins in a row clay streak was achieved from age 18-20.

 

[Neptune]

I see that Rafa and Roger played a lot more matches than Carlos and the doper.
And that Carlos and Rafa career is almost the same at 21 years.

Yeah, all the extra matches against low ranked, lol

Amazing, but wait for the haters to come knocking

Where are all the weak era experts?

 

[NeutralFan]

Those Fedal would crush the Italian doper and the Tiny Spaniard.

Son, lately you have been way too salty after USO , that's not good for your health

 

[dking68]

Those Fedal would crush the Italian doper and the Tiny Spaniard.

Let’s see what 2025 looks like. Sinner is going to be the scourge of Alcaraz

 

[ppma]

Those Fedal would crush the Italian doper and the Tiny Spaniard.

So true.

 

[KingCarlitos]

Both Sineraz have had tougher than vaccum that was created in late 90s till early 2000s. Federer did come to save us. But he had no one.

Fed surely had the easiest path to the top, All he had was a mummified Agassi and transitional greats like Hewitt, Safin and Roddick.

 

[Rafa4LifeEver]

Son, lately you have been way too salty after USO , that's not good for your health

Stating facts ≠ Salty, daughter.

 

[Rafa4LifeEver]

Let’s see what 2025 looks like. Sinner is going to be the scourge of Alcaraz

We'd see. Although any win for the doper against the clean nextgen player would be questionable because he is a doper.

 

[dking68]

We'd see. Although any win for the doper against the clean nextgen player would be questionable because he is a doper.

55-5 > 39-9

 

[fedfan24]

Fed surely had the easiest path to the top, All he had was a mummified Agassi and transitional greats like Hewitt, Safin and Roddick.

Sinner has a mummified Djokovic and Taylor Fritz. I’ll take 2003-2005 over any year since 2020.

 

[helterskelter]

Let’s see what 2025 looks like. Sinner is going to be the scourge of Alcaraz

Will Alcaraz ever beat Sinner again? I say probably, but it's not a guaranteed thing.

Will Alcaraz ever beat Sinner again on any surface other than clay? Almost certainly not!

Well, he might have a chance late in their career given that Sinner is older. But as Alcaraz was an early bloomer, even that isn't guaranteed. At any rate, Alcaraz has no chance of beating Sinner on hard courts or grass for at least the next ten years!

 

[fedfan24]

Will Alcaraz ever beat Sinner again? I say probably, but it's not a guaranteed thing.

Will Alcaraz ever beat Sinner again on any surface other than clay? Almost certainly not!

Well, he might have a chance late in their career given that Sinner is older. But as Alcaraz was an early bloomer, even that isn't guaranteed. At any rate, Alcaraz has no chance of beating Sinner on hard courts or grass for at least the next ten years!

Sinner lost to Medvedev on grass and the previous was smashed by 36 year old Djokovic in straights. The same two events Alcaraz beat Djokovic twice.

 

[NeutralFan]

Stating facts ≠ Salty, daughter.

Declared innocent Doens't mean guilty ,son! Your last hope was Pusherdev lol

 

[nolefam_2024]

Will Alcaraz ever beat Sinner again? I say probably, but it's not a guaranteed thing.

Will Alcaraz ever beat Sinner again on any surface other than clay? Almost certainly not!

Well, he might have a chance late in their career given that Sinner is older. But as Alcaraz was an early bloomer, even that isn't guaranteed. At any rate, Alcaraz has no chance of beating Sinner on hard courts or grass for at least the next ten years!

Wow

What kind of nonsense is this.

Even rafa almost beat nole in wimby 18.

Alcaraz is younger of the two.

 

[Rovesciarete]

Well, he might have a chance late in their career given that Sinner is older. But as Alcaraz was an early bloomer, even that isn't guaranteed. At any rate, Alcaraz has no chance of beating Sinner on hard courts or grass for at least the next ten years!

Alcaraz has a unique combination of shifting strategic shape, execution at the highest level of almost all the shots of tennis and an athletic basis to do so for five sets. Frankly only he can challenge the Sinner eye to eye once Djokovic drops his level.

 

[helterskelter]

Sinner lost to Medvedev on grass and the previous was smashed by 36 year old Djokovic in straights. The same two events Alcaraz beat Djokovic twice.

Sinner was 22 and 21 when those things happened. Because he is a late developer, he only hit his peak when he turned 23 less than a month ago. I predict that, now that he is at his peak, he will be a dominant/almost unbeatable #1 on grass and hard courts for the next several years and either best or second-best player on clay (although by a smaller margin). He will most likely win three slams in 2025, but don't be surprised if he completes the CYGS!

 

[NeutralFan]

Sinner lost to Medvedev on grass and the previous was smashed by 36 year old Djokovic in straights. The same two events Alcaraz beat Djokovic twice.

That was pre prime Sinner , also in first year of prime you can't master all surfaces, he mastered HC, won Halle on grass,not that bad on grass ,no?

 

[helterskelter]

Wow

What kind of nonsense is this.

Even rafa almost beat nole in wimby 18.

Alcaraz is younger of the two.

Alcaraz has a unique combination of shifting strategic shape, execution at the highest level of almost all the shots of tennis and an athletic basis to do so for five sets. Frankly only he can challenge the Sinner eye to eye once Djokovic drops his level.

You clearly have both not learned enough from dking yet!

 

[Lleytonstation]

21 year old Nadal would get crushed by Zvereb Medvedev, Oldovic etc on hard court

So they would blow out Fed too.

 

[Rafa4LifeEver]

Declared innocent Doens't mean guilty ,son! Your last hope was Pusherdev lol

And when exactly was he declared innocent aka absolved from the doping test failures & be provided with a decision that the tests were not true?
He was actually proven guilty and got slapped with a fine, the ranking points of his IW run. He got fined way less & softly than literally everyone else due to his connections with the establishment.

 

[nolefam_2024]

You clearly have both not learned enough from dking yet!

I have ignored many members

 

[fedfan24]

That was pre prime Sinner , also in first year of prime you can't master all surfaces, he mastered HC, won Halle on grass,not that bad on grass ,no?

Well hopefully we get Alcaraz sinner Wimbledon final next year, that’s the one everyone wants to see!

 

[NeutralFan]

Well hopefully we get Alcaraz sinner Wimbledon final next year, that’s the one everyone wants to see!

Yeah , hopefully we get this match up everywhere to decide who is the real boss. Deluded Carlos fanboys needs to be made shut up once and for all

 

[Razer]

So they would blow out Fed too.

Are we discussing Hard Court Slams ?

If yes then definitely Med and Zed at their peak can defeat 21 year old Nadal.

 

[Racquet_smash]

Both Fed and Nadal were clearly better.

That's obvious if you watched them play.

 

[Lleytonstation]

Are we discussing Hard Court Slams ?

If yes then definitely Med and Zed at their peak can defeat 21 year old Nadal.

Which means they would or could do the same to Fed.

 

[Razer]

Which means they would or could do the same to Fed.

Nope

Kryptonite is a normal rock for Batman but this doesn't mean Batman can fight Superman just because Superman becomes weak in the presence of Kryptonite.

Nadal's game was kryptonite for Fed, thats it.... Don't let the Miami and Dubai encounters fool you into believing Nadal was a great HC player until end of 2008, he wasn't.

Federer will be look like Superman against Med/Zed, he would murder them with 1 set dropped or perhaps no sets dropped.... not 1 match would go 5 sets, it would be that 1 sided. Safe to bet Fed vanquishing them in straights and he would kill Sinner too.

 

[Lleytonstation]

Nope

Kryptonite is a normal rock for Batman but this doesn't mean Batman can fight Superman just because Superman becomes weak in the presence of Kryptonite.

Nadal's game was kryptonite for Fed, thats it.... Don't let the Miami and Dubai encounters fool us into believing Nadal was a great HC player until end of 2008, he wasn't.

Federer will be look like Superman against Med/Zed, he would murder them with 1 set dropped or perhaps no sets dropped.... not 1 match would go 5 sets, it would be that 1 sided. Safe to bet Fed vanquishing them in straights and he would kill Sinner too.

lol, but I get it.

 

[mahatma]

I see that Rafa and Roger played a lot more matches than Carlos and the doper.
And that Carlos and Rafa career is almost the same at 21 years.

Let’s use the word Juice

 

[helterskelter]

Let’s use the word Juice

If we're going to call Carrot Juice "Juice," we should also call the Silver Calf "Silver." In both cases, we are naming them after the most noteworthy recent part of their careers.

 

[helterskelter]

I have ignored many members

I increasingly treat TTW as a forum for practicing my skills as a mimic. I guess that means for trolling, but whatevs. The forum makes more sense when you assume that every post is satirical.

 

[CHillTennis]

by age 23​	Overall​	vs Top10​	T10 Weight​	vs Top5​	T5 Weight​	vs T11+​	T11+ Weight​
Sinner​	324 (245-79) 75.62%​	63 (32-31) 50.79%​	19.44%​	40 (17-23) 42.50%​	12.35%​	261 (213-48) 81.61%​	80.56%​
Fed​	426 (310-116) 72.77%​	74 (46-28) 62.16%​	17.37%​	34 (24-10) 70.59%​	7.98%​	350 (262-88) 74.86%​	82.16%​

by age 21​	Overall​	vs Top10​	T10 Weight​	vs Top5​	T5 Weight​	vs T11+​	T11+ Weight​
Alcaraz​	246 (194-52) 78.86%​	49 (31-18) 63.27%​	19.92%​	28 (18-10) 64.29%​	11.38%​	197 (163-34) 82.74%​	80.08%​
Rafa​	319 (253-66) 79.31%​	46 (30-16) 65.22%​	14.42%​	28 (18-10) 64.29%​	8.78%​	273 (223-50) 81.68%​	85.58%​

What do you see? Which duo had the easier path?
Does this reflect the era's strength?
Can era strength be used to mislead the actual difficulty of a player's path?

How many times did Nadal get destroyed by a 37 year old player in a slam?

How about Federer?

Now let's compare that to the Next Gen.

Hmmm...I see that we have a much different picture.

 

[KennyoFatoBoiyo]

Why not compare the stats of Sinner, Alcaraz, Federer and Nadal at age 21?? Obviously this poll is skewed in Sinners favor as everyone knows Federer was no world beater at 21 and Alcaraz is currently 21and Sinner 23.

 

[Tano]

It was embarrassing that Alcaraz couldn't defeat the 37-year-old Djokovic on clay.
Nadal, at the same age as Alcaraz, would not have lost more than 6 games against that version of Djokovic.

 

[ppma]

It was embarrassing that Alcaraz couldn't defeat the 37-year-old Djokovic on clay.
Nadal, at the same age as Alcaraz, would not have lost more than 6 games against that version of Djokovic.

Relax. No one doubts Alcaraz is no Nadal, especially on clay. That is just another different universe.

 

[rigged]

Wonder how long till we'll get a Wikipedia page for Sinner-Alcaraz rivalry.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Why not compare the stats of Sinner, Alcaraz, Federer and Nadal at age 21?? Obviously this poll is skewed in Sinners favor as everyone knows Federer was no world beater at 21 and Alcaraz is currently 21and Sinner 23.

No the point of op is to show both fed and Nadal in bad light

Not just Nadal

 

[KennyoFatoBoiyo]

It was embarrassing that Alcaraz couldn't defeat the 37-year-old Djokovic on clay.
Nadal, at the same age as Alcaraz, would not have lost more than 6 games against that version of Djokovic.

What about beating him back to back at Wimbledon including when Djokovic was in top form in 2023???

But that doesn't count right??

 

[Tano]

What about beating him back to back at Wimbledon including when Djokovic was in top form in 2023???

But that doesn't count right??

His first win against Djokovic at Wimbledon was impressive; yes it was.

 

[mike danny]

Fed surely had the easiest path to the top, All he had was a mummified Agassi and transitional greats like Hewitt, Safin and Roddick.

True. Sinneraz have had peak Djokovic and strong era titans Medvedev, Zverev and Tsitsipas. How would Fed be able to break through?

 

[Pheasant]

Fed comes out smelling like roses in this comparison vs Sinner.

Fed. 46-28, .622 vs top-10
Sin: 32-31, .508 vs top-10

So not only did Fed face more top-10 players, but he also slaughters Sinner in percentage. Plus, he added several other flights to other countries to play more matches, which drains the batteries. Hell, no wonder why he got mono in 2008. He was too busy kicking arse while playing that many more tourneys.

He ate them for breakfast. Fed has the record for longest winning streak against the top-10 at 24. Nobody else is close. The 2nd longest streak is a distant 17 straight, which is shared by Djokovic and Federer.

But look, I believe Sinner is on his way to becoming an ATG. His baseline game is surreal. And he’s doing it with only a decent serve. I believe the 6 foot 4 Sinner with extremely long arms will one day have a great serve. If that happens(I know, that’s a huge if), then this kid will set records. He might break the remaining records that Fed still has.

The ball sounds different when Sinner hits it. My wife noticed it first. We have the matches piped through my 7-channel surround sound system. Without looking, she can tell when he’s hitting that wicked FH. It’s a lot like when Delpo unloaded. It sounds like the ball is hitting a battleship after being launched out of a cannon.

That’s said, I’m fine if the rest of Fed’s records are broken. That won’t take away how awesome of a time that I had watching him. He’s still my favorite since McEnroe played.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Fed comes out smelling like roses in this comparison vs Sinner.

Fed. 46-28, .622 vs top-10
Sin: 32-31, .508 vs top-10

So not only did Fed face more top-10 players, but he also slaughters Sinner in percentage. Plus, he added several other flights to other countries to play more matches, which drains the batteries. Hell, no wonder why he got mono in 2008. He was too busy kicking arse while playing that many more tourneys.

He ate them for breakfast. Fed has the record for longest winning streak against the top-10 at 24. Nobody else is close. The 2nd longest streak is a distant 17 straight, which is shared by Djokovic and Federer.

But look, I believe Sinner is on his way to becoming an ATG. His baseline game is surreal. And he’s doing it with only a decent serve. I believe the 6 foot 4 Sinner with extremely long arms will one day have a great serve. If that happens(I know, that’s a huge if), then this kid will set records. He might break the remaining records that Fed still has.

The ball sounds different when Sinner hits it. My wife noticed it first. We have the matches piped through my 7-channel surround sound system. Without looking, she can tell when he’s hitting that wicked FH. It’s a lot like when Delpo unloaded. It sounds like the ball is hitting a battleship after being launched out of a cannon.

That’s said, I’m fine if the rest of Fed’s records are broken. That won’t take away how awesome of a time that I had watching him. He’s still my favorite since McEnroe played.

What do you mean? This must be wrong.
Sinner turned 23 just now. Fed turned 23 before USO 2004.