Sinner's win is the new Dawn of tennis

nolefam_2024

Talk Tennis Guru
Sinner has done it. He has won a grand slam at age 22. Before he was languishing in masters and slams but right now he seems ready.

This is hugely important in the shifting landscape of tennis. The next out after Djokovic are Alcaraz and Sinner but there are a large number of good players behind them. Notably Medvedev, Zverev, Tsitsipas, Rune and Rublev with new challengers coming all the time. Sinner has beaten all of these guys recently. The H2H has turned in many cases (Rune) or is about to turn in others (Medvedev huge 6-0 lead dissipated, Alcaraz and Djokovic). He is riding on a huge momentum now after winning a masters, a slam and DC within 6 months. If he can win another 1/2 masters before Roland Garros, he would most likely be the world number 1 as well.

He still has some way to go before he can take off like Fed in 2004 or Djokovic in 2011. But he is very close to it. Need more stamina (this AO he played only 1 4 setter and 1 5 setter). Stamina is a huge suspect. And keep improving on variety. With his game he rarely needs to play over 9 shot rallies but he will need to be the master of them as well to gain mental edge. Become an unbeatable wall.
 

dking68

Legend
Sinner has done it. He has won a grand slam at age 22. Before he was languishing in masters and slams but right now he seems ready.

This is hugely important in the shifting landscape of tennis. The next out after Djokovic are Alcaraz and Sinner but there are a large number of good players behind them. Notably Medvedev, Zverev, Tsitsipas, Rune and Rublev with new challengers coming all the time. Sinner has beaten all of these guys recently. The H2H has turned in many cases (Rune) or is about to turn in others (Medvedev huge 6-0 lead dissipated, Alcaraz and Djokovic). He is riding on a huge momentum now after winning a masters, a slam and DC within 6 months. If he can win another 1/2 masters before Roland Garros, he would most likely be the world number 1 as well.

He still has some way to go before he can take off like Fed in 2004 or Djokovic in 2011. But he is very close to it. Need more stamina (this AO he played only 1 4 setter and 1 5 setter). Stamina is a huge suspect. And keep improving on variety. With his game he rarely needs to play over 9 shot rallies but he will need to be the master of them as well to gain mental edge. Become an unbeatable wall.
Do you see him winning the sunshine double? I can see it happening. I don’t see anyone stopping him. He will win at least one of them
 

Pheasant

Legend
Do you see him winning the sunshine double? I can see it happening. I don’t see anyone stopping him. He will win at least one of them
The tennis world would go insane if that happened. I who else besides Djoker(3 times) and Federer(2 times) have won the AO + the Sunshine double in the same year? Serious question, because I can’t think of anybody else.
 

ChaelAZ

G.O.A.T.
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nolefam_2024

Talk Tennis Guru
Why is Sinner the new dawn? Alcaraz has won two slams.
Has everybody forgotten about him?
He does not have week in week out dominance. Now looking back. He was always number 2 to Nole. Won the first slam when most of the big names were out of form.

Sinner right now is first time we are looking at a guy who can take the reign from Djokovic permanently.
 

Purestriker

Legend
Sinner has done it. He has won a grand slam at age 22. Before he was languishing in masters and slams but right now he seems ready.

This is hugely important in the shifting landscape of tennis. The next out after Djokovic are Alcaraz and Sinner but there are a large number of good players behind them. Notably Medvedev, Zverev, Tsitsipas, Rune and Rublev with new challengers coming all the time. Sinner has beaten all of these guys recently. The H2H has turned in many cases (Rune) or is about to turn in others (Medvedev huge 6-0 lead dissipated, Alcaraz and Djokovic). He is riding on a huge momentum now after winning a masters, a slam and DC within 6 months. If he can win another 1/2 masters before Roland Garros, he would most likely be the world number 1 as well.

He still has some way to go before he can take off like Fed in 2004 or Djokovic in 2011. But he is very close to it. Need more stamina (this AO he played only 1 4 setter and 1 5 setter). Stamina is a huge suspect. And keep improving on variety. With his game he rarely needs to play over 9 shot rallies but he will need to be the master of them as well to gain mental edge. Become an unbeatable wall.
You could make a really dope hype video with that title.
 

Better_Call_Raul

Hall of Fame
With his game he rarely needs to play over 9 shot rallies but he will need to be the master of them as well to gain mental edge. Become an unbeatable wall.

Med engaged him in 40 shot rallies. The counterpuncher Med was hoping that he would miss. A wonderful smart strategy. Or so it seemed.
But Sinner was just as good a counterpuncher. And more disturbingly, Sinner was able to raise the level and rip a winner after the 40th ball. It was scary.
If this match was any indication, Sinner has already mastered this.
 

nolefam_2024

Talk Tennis Guru
Med engaged him in 40 shot rallies. The counterpuncher Med was hoping that he would miss. A wonderful smart strategy. Or so it seemed.
But Sinner was just as good a counterpuncher. And more disturbingly, Sinner was able to raise the level and rip a winner after the 40th ball. It was scary.
If this match was any indication, Sinner has already mastered this.
True.
 

nolefam_2024

Talk Tennis Guru
Need to see Sinner beat Djoker once more before we become true believers.
He has beaten Nole 3 times already. We can't discount the previous performances. But yes we will get to know about their individual rivalry more in next match. Over the field though, he has already beaten most in slams in bo5.
 

TheSlicer

Hall of Fame
He does not have week in week out dominance. Now looking back. He was always number 2 to Nole. Won the first slam when most of the big names were out of form.

Sinner right now is first time we are looking at a guy who can take the reign from Djokovic permanently.
Alcaraz has at the moment shown more week in week out performance than sinner has ever shown, first 6 months of last year and the year before, sinner hasnt done that till now, and the season has just started, just without any proof but a peak of form, people are already talking about domination, i would wait to see him performing at this level for some more tournaments before even start to think about something like that, also, Djokovic losses a match where he woke up with the left foot and suddenly he aint a contender anymore for any title LOL
 

FeroBango

Legend
It's good to see more than one new gen player get a slam on the board, so it's hopefully a new dawn in that regard, and he'll be seen as more of an Alcaraz-equal going forward as opposed to someone who's a tier-down like Rune, Rublev and Ruud.
Today's TTW mood is that he's even above Alcaraz lol. Why? Because Alcaraz won an extra Slam without biggies while Sinner didn't have that luxury (which in fact he definitely did at 21, getting beaten by Alcaraz in an epic match in that very slam).

Alcaraz was 47-4 for a while last year with multiple masters and a slam and has clearly exhibited stretches of consistency even at this age but no, a Sinner with a WTF home final loss, a USO QF, AO win against the worst version of Novak and a tiring Med, and an additional Davis Cup win has somehow become the force that Alcaraz allegedly never was, and allegedly never will be.
 

TheSlicer

Hall of Fame
Today's TTW mood is that he's even above Alcaraz lol. Why? Because Alcaraz won an extra Slam without biggies while Sinner didn't have that luxury (which in fact he definitely did at 21, getting beaten by Alcaraz in an epic match in that very slam).

Alcaraz was 47-4 for a while last year with multiple masters and a slam and has clearly exhibited stretches of consistency even at this age but no, a Sinner with a WTF home final loss, a USO QF, AO win against the worst version of Novak and a tiring Med, and an additional Davis Cup win has somehow become the force that Alcaraz allegedly was never, and allegedly never will be.
I swear people have amnesia, god its true what they say, youre only as good as your last match, lol (and even that last match wasnt that good to be honest)
 

nolefam_2024

Talk Tennis Guru
Alcaraz has at the moment shown more week in week out performance than sinner has ever shown, first 6 months of last year and the year before, sinner hasnt done that till now, and the season has just started, just without any proof but a peak of form, people are already talking about domination, i would wait to see him performing at this level for some more tournaments before even start to think about something like that, also, Djokovic losses a match where he woke up with the left foot and suddenly he aint a contender anymore for any title LOL
You and I have very different opinion. I have seen a lot from Alcaraz to make the conclusion. He will probably need time to adjust to level Sinner is playing right now on hc. Outside hc is ok.
 

TheSlicer

Hall of Fame
Alcaraz Queens and wimbledon run is one of the most impresive things ive seen in more than 20 years of watching and playing tennis, beating a bunch of servebots and top 10 players and beating a guy in the final who hadnt lost in 10 years, all that while playing incredible serve and volley, slicing like a veteran, and playing attacking all court tennis, he had absolutely no right to do that at that age, most mature 20 year old player ive seen along with nadal, i just couldnt believe that run, but as i stated here many times before that, i always tought grass was gonna be perfect for him, people said: oh he has no serve, he has no return, he will be crap on grass, well he didnt lose a match there last year! Just amazing
 
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TheSlicer

Hall of Fame
You and I have very different opinion. I have seen a lot from Alcaraz to make the conclusion. He will probably need time to adjust to level Sinner is playing right now on hc. Outside hc is ok.
You can have a diferent opinion about many things, but the consistency thing is a numbers fact, so its not something you can agree or disagree with
 

FeroBango

Legend
I swear people have amnesia, god its true what they say, youre only as good as your last match, lol (and even that last match wasnt that good to be honest)
I can't believe Carlos' maiden slam gets these remarks but Sinner's run against world-beaters such as Baez, Rublev, Kachanov, De Jong, VdZ, the worst version of Djokovic since 2005 (worse than anyone Raz beat in 2022), and a Medvedev in questionable form all-tournament long who still had him on the ropes for as long as he had the legs to think clearly, gets a free pass.

TTW most certainly has a problem with consistency with a liberal dose of selective amnesia.

I genuinely believe Sinner is amazing but consistency, man. Treat these wonderkids by the same measure.
 

TheSlicer

Hall of Fame
I can't believe Carlos' maiden slam gets these remarks but Sinner's run against world-beaters such as Baez, Rublev, Kachanov, De Jong, VdZ, the worst version of Djokovic since 2005 (worse than anyone Raz beat in 2022), and a Medvedev in questionable form all-tournament long who still had him on the ropes for as long as he had the legs to think clearly, gets a free pass.

TTW most certainly has a problem with consistency with a liberal dose of selective amnesia.

I genuinely believe Sinner is amazing but consistency, man. Treat these wonderkids by the same measure.
Exactly, the thing is that i like sinner, but his fans dont do him any favour by not being objective, they should take the aproach that sinner himself has, you know what he said in his last interview with his coaches? He said: we are trying to be as good as Carlos Alcaraz, he has been an inspiration for them but his fans here dont give Carlos any respect: he has peaked, he is too short to win anything, just childish and unmature things like that
 

FeroBango

Legend
Exactly, the thing is that i like sinner, but his fans dont do him any favour by not being objective, they should take the aproach that sinner himself has, you know what he said in his last interview with his coaches? He said: we are trying to be as good as Carlos Alcaraz, he has been an inspiration for them but his fans here dont give Carlos any respect: he has peaked, he is too short to win anything, just childish and unmature things like that
Fans can be like that and I completely get what you're saying. However despite all that when I see Jannik smoke a line forehand after a 35 ball rally like he can, it's impossible to not sit up and admire the hell out of it.

Good player, greatness is within his reach.


(But no I must also simultaneously put Alcaraz down with entirely different standards applied to him, no?).
 
The tennis world would go insane if that happened. I who else besides Djoker(3 times) and Federer(2 times) have won the AO + the Sunshine double in the same year? Serious question, because I can’t think of anybody else.


Pete Sampras in 1994, Andre Agassi in 2001.

Honorable mention to Jim Courier, who was the holder of the (first) Sunshine Double from 1991 when he won the AO in '92. And a dishonorable mention to Marcelo Rios, who would have done it in 1998 if he hadn't crashed and burned so badly in the Melbourne final first.

Of course the Sunshine Double has only been a thing since 1985 when the Lipton/Miami Masters was first established. So seven times on the men's side in 40 years. It's one of these records that would likely have been achieved much more often if it was available for a more 'historic' length of time.
 

nolefam_2024

Talk Tennis Guru
You can have a diferent opinion about many things, but the consistency thing is a numbers fact, so its not something you can agree or disagree with
So alcaraz won many low tier events. Right? He skipped ATP finals 2022 and AO 2023. He lost in Rome early. Skipped MC. Post USOpen he lost a lot till ATP finals where he was badly beaten in semis.

In AO 2024 he didn't look dominating for all but 1 match vs pretty low quality opponent.

What you are seeing is very high peak of winning Wimbledon and reaching Cincinnati finals having cp. But he skipped many events and then was knocked out early in many more.
 

Pheasant

Legend
Pete Sampras in 1994, Andre Agassi in 2001.

Honorable mention to Jim Courier, who was the holder of the (first) Sunshine Double from 1991 when he won the AO in '92. And a dishonorable mention to Marcelo Rios, who would have done it in 1998 if he hadn't crashed and burned so badly in the Melbourne final first.

Of course the Sunshine Double has only been a thing since 1985 when the Lipton/Miami Masters was first established. So seven times on the men's side in 40 years. It's one of these records that would likely have been achieved much more often if it was available for a more 'historic' length of time.
Good info!!!
 

FeroBango

Legend
So alcaraz won many low tier events. Right? He skipped ATP finals 2022 and AO 2023. He lost in Rome early. Skipped MC. Post USOpen he lost a lot till ATP finals where he was badly beaten in semis.

In AO 2024 he didn't look dominating for all but 1 match vs pretty low quality opponent.

What you are seeing is very high peak of winning Wimbledon and reaching Cincinnati finals having cp. But he skipped many events and then was knocked out early in many more.
Four masters in two full years and more 500s. In addition to an extra Slam, he just has won both high and low tier events more than Sinner has managed to since 2020, his first full year (correct me if I'm wrong).

Last year in his debut ATP Final event, he reached the SF. Kudos to Jannik for outperforming and reaching the finals there.
 

nolefam_2024

Talk Tennis Guru
Four masters in two full years and more 500s. In addition to an extra Slam, he just has won both high and low tier events more than Sinner has managed to since 2020, his first full year (correct me if I'm wrong).

Last year in his debut ATP Final event, he reached the SF. Kudos to Jannik for outperforming and reaching the finals there.
He has won IW Miami and 2 Madrids beating Djokovic once.

My concern is with Djokovic out of the picture there was huge gap at the top. Sinner beat him finally in Miami but he still was not ready physically. Now though we will see.

I know what Raz achieved already but there are going to be questions seeing how pandemic affected the entire calendar in 2022 especially with absence of Djokovic.
 

Rosstour

G.O.A.T.
A new Slam winner was desperately needed.

Significance of this can't be overstated.

Now there is another player out there who can stop Djokovic at Slams. We could have four different Slam winners this season. (We won't, but we could)

And it could inspire other players, to step their games up and challenge Djoko: "He is not unbeatable"
 

FeroBango

Legend
He has won IW Miami and 2 Madrids beating Djokovic once.

My concern is with Djokovic out of the picture there was huge gap at the top. Sinner beat him finally in Miami but he still was not ready physically. Now though we will see.

I know what Raz achieved already but there are going to be questions seeing how pandemic affected the entire calendar in 2022 especially with absence of Djokovic.
You can have these questions sure. But also make sure to pose some of these questions at Sinner too for the draw that he had and the form of the opponents he faced including Djokovic. But if beating any version of Djokovic grants him legitimacy, Raz has a bit more of it for beating a much, much better of Djokovic at the Wimbledon.

We will see indeed. Sinner's time has come for sure but what that means exactly is anyone's guess.
 

nolefam_2024

Talk Tennis Guru
You can have these questions sure. But also make sure to pose some of these questions at Sinner too for the draw that he had and the form of the opponents he faced including Djokovic. But if beating any version of Djokovic grants him legitimacy, Raz has a bit more of it for beating a much, much better of Djokovic at the Wimbledon.

We will see indeed. Sinner's time has come for sure but what that means exactly is anyone's guess.
I asked the questions for sinner and got a response which made my analysis even bolder..

In 2021 sinner stretched Djokovic to five in Wimbledon despite serving at low 50s percent first serves. Now he has gone up a notch. And he has closed the gap completely. In 2022, he was not better than 2021 by set score but played even closer in the sets.

He has improved and his results have improved drastically. There is no reason for them to go backwards. These are incremental changes.
 

FeroBango

Legend
I asked the questions for sinner and got a response which made my analysis even bolder..

In 2021 sinner stretched Djokovic to five in Wimbledon despite serving at low 50s percent first serves. Now he has gone up a notch. And he has closed the gap completely. In 2022, he was not better than 2021 by set score but played even closer in the sets.

He has improved and his results have improved drastically. There is no reason for them to go backwards. These are incremental changes.
True. I don't suggest that he's going to regress either. Radical for TTW, I also don't believe Raz will regress. This Sinner triumph must have lit an extra candle of fire up his rear to improve the areas he lacks in, just as Sinner did incrementally.
 

nolefam_2024

Talk Tennis Guru
True. I don't suggest that he's going to regress either. Radical for TTW, I also don't believe Raz will regress. This Sinner triumph must have lit an extra candle of fire up his rear to improve the areas he lacks in, just as Sinner did incrementally.
True Raz won't regress. The question is now is he able to stop sinner on hc. We will get the answer very soon. I will just say sinner beat him the last 2 times they played and handily the second time.
 

neytron

Semi-Pro
I will wait for Sinner to win in the semis and finals of the slam against really strong and ready opponents. This AO didn't convince me.
 

DSH

Talk Tennis Guru
The tennis world would go insane if that happened. I who else besides Djoker(3 times) and Federer(2 times) have won the AO + the Sunshine double in the same year? Serious question, because I can’t think of anybody else.
Sampras in 1994, Agassi in 2001 also won the Australian Open, IW and Miami in the same season.
8-B
 

nolefam_2024

Talk Tennis Guru
Sinner is God tier. The sport has both been reinvented and reborn with the breakout of La Carota.
Going way too far. No one said this and if ttw got overexcited about alcaraz that's ttw fault to always jump the gun.

Saying sinner is the new dawn isn't jumping the gun. He is permanently shifting tennis landscape right now. Hasn't happened in past 10/15 years since the rise of Djokovic.
 
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