Sinner's win is the new Dawn of tennis

nolefam_2024 said:
So alcaraz won many low tier events. Right? He skipped ATP finals 2022 and AO 2023. He lost in Rome early. Skipped MC. Post USOpen he lost a lot till ATP finals where he was badly beaten in semis.

In AO 2024 he didn't look dominating for all but 1 match vs pretty low quality opponent.

What you are seeing is very high peak of winning Wimbledon and reaching Cincinnati finals having cp. But he skipped many events and then was knocked out early in many more.
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Im not seeing anything but the win ratio, you should check that, and low tier events? Man what are you talking about? He won two masters and a slam and reached the other two slam semis, you cant be serious trying to compare sinners last year to Alcaraz, or any year for that matter, sinner won the weakest masters 1000 beating lower quality oponents than kecmanovic, and only then started to pick Up the form. As i said, despite his subpar ending of the season last year, he has shown far more consistency than sinner
 
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Going way too far. No one said this and if ttw got overexcited about alcaraz that's ttw fault to always jump the gun.

Saying sinner is the new dawn isn't jumping the gun. He is permanently shifting tennis landscape right now. Hasn't happened in past 10/15 years since the rise of Djokovic.
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Your last few sentences here sum it all up nice very nicely. Excellent 3 month run by a young player hitting his stride is a "new dawn", "permanently shifting tennis landscape" and "hasn't happened in past 10/15 years since the rise of Djokovic". Incredibly well put.

Little Carlos had over a 91% winning percentage for the first 9 months or so of 2023 including a historic 5 set win at Wimbledon against an in form Djokovic, then fizzled out later in the year. But that wasn't a new dawn or a permanent shift in the tennis landscape. It was just ttw hype. This 3 month run by Sinner, however, is monumental in comparison.
 
Baseline_Bungle said:
3 times in the last 3 tournaments not enough?
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David cup and a round Robin, then he Lost in the final, australian semis was good, but i dont think Djokovic is gonna have many days like that, still i think his style is good against Djokovic, but i dont see him dominating as some say, we will see, also, what do you think of those legs? Got quite bulky in just a few months didnt they?
 
Tweener said:
Going way too far. No one said this and if ttw got overexcited about alcaraz that's ttw fault to always jump the gun.


Your last few sentences here sum it all up nice very nicely. Excellent 3 month run by a young player hitting his stride is a "new dawn", "permanently shifting tennis landscape" and "hasn't happened in past 10/15 years since the rise of Djokovic". Incredibly well put.

Little Carlos had over a 91% winning percentage for the first 9 months or so of 2023 including a historic 5 set win at Wimbledon against an in form Djokovic, then fizzled out later in the year. But that wasn't a new dawn or a permanent shift in the tennis landscape. It was just ttw hype. This 3 month run by Sinner, however, is monumental in comparison.
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He skipped AO and mc
He was playing in low tier 250s and 500s on clay as well.

And he didn't have 91% by first 9 months.
 
nolefam_2024 said:
He skipped AO and mc
He was playing in low tier 250s and 500s on clay as well.

And he didn't have 91% by first 9 months.
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Before his SF loss to Medvedev at the USO, he was exactly at 91% winning percentage on the year. By that point, he also had 2x M1000, a Wimbledon win, and 2x ATP500 titles in addition to winning the only ATP250 event he participated in on the year. But I wholeheartedly agree with the premise of your argument. His run was all hype and Sinner's 3 months which include an ATP500 title, a round robin sweep and then a loss in the final at the ATP finals, a Davis Cup win, and a massive AO win against an out of form Djokovic and a running on fumes Medvedev is absolutely groundbreaking and nothing the likes of which we've ever seen.
 
Tweener said:
Before his SF loss to Medvedev at the USO, he was exactly at 91% winning percentage on the year. By that point, he also had 2x M1000, a Wimbledon win, and 2x ATP500 titles in addition to winning the only ATP250 event he participated in on the year. But I wholeheartedly agree with the premise of your argument. His run was all hype and Sinner's 3 months which include an ATP500 title, a round robin sweep and then a loss in the final at the ATP finals, a Davis Cup win, and a massive AO win against an out of form Djokovic and a running on fumes Medvedev is absolutely groundbreaking and nothing the likes of which we've ever seen.
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Alcaraz run wasn't all hype.

Sinner's run is better and decisive.
 
Tweener said:
Before his SF loss to Medvedev at the USO, he was exactly at 91% winning percentage on the year. By that point, he also had 2x M1000, a Wimbledon win, and 2x ATP500 titles in addition to winning the only ATP250 event he participated in on the year. But I wholeheartedly agree with the premise of your argument. His run was all hype and Sinner's 3 months which include an ATP500 title, a round robin sweep and then a loss in the final at the ATP finals, a Davis Cup win, and a massive AO win against an out of form Djokovic and a running on fumes Medvedev is absolutely groundbreaking and nothing the likes of which we've ever seen.
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Exactly this
 
TheSlicer said:
Alcaraz Queens and wimbledon run is one of the most impresive things ive seen in more than 20 years of watching and playing tennis, beating a bunch of servbots and top 10 players and beating a guy in the final who hadnt lose in 10 years, all that while playing incredible serve and volley, slicing like a veteran, and playing attacking all court tennis, he had absolutely no right to do that at that age, most mature 20 year old player ive seen along with nadal, i just couldnt believe that run, but as i stated here many times before that, i always tought grass was gonna be perfect for him, people said: oh he has no serve, he has no return, he will be crap on grass, well he didnt lose a match there last year! Just amazing
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Agree with all that but he was a serious tennis player then who wanted to win. Now he wants to entertain too much. We need the alcaraz of 7 months ago back.
 
ChaelAZ said:
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I kinda forgot about Novak lol
 
Now let’s wait for Novak to win the remaining slams this year lol.

But on a serious note - Sinner is superb and so it Alcaraz. Djokovic knows it that these 2 are certainly equal to him in this stage of his career. Those 3 slam seasons are thing of the past now.

It would be exciting next 3 -4 years.
 
Djokovic, Alcaraz, Sinner (now that he has proved his physicality) can win Slams on any surface. A healthy Nadal can win the clay Slam. Medvedev can win the USO. This is going to be an interesting season.
 
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mahatma said:
Now let’s wait for Novak to win the remaining slams this year lol.

But on a serious note - Sinner is superb and so it Alcaraz. Djokovic knows it that these 2 are certainly equal to him in this stage of his career. Those 3 slam seasons are thing of the past now.

It would be exciting next 3 -4 years.
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Nole won't be winning
It's not 2023
 
I don't know what this win is really going to do for Sinner going forward. Only time will tell. It is, however, good news for tennis as a whole as we now have 2 younger players kicking off a little Slam race of their own. Maybe someone else will join thr party too

The one big thing that is making people sit up and take notice is that this is the first time in many years that Djokovic holds neither of his 2 favourite Slams (AO, Wimbledon). Since 2018 actually. Need to see how he responds, having actually been defeated in the late stages of both tournaments
 
FeroBango said:
I can't believe Carlos' maiden slam gets these remarks but Sinner's run against world-beaters such as Baez, Rublev, Kachanov, De Jong, VdZ, the worst version of Djokovic since 2005 (worse than anyone Raz beat in 2022), and a Medvedev in questionable form all-tournament long who still had him on the ropes for as long as he had the legs to think clearly, gets a free pass.

TTW most certainly has a problem with consistency with a liberal dose of selective amnesia.

I genuinely believe Sinner is amazing but consistency, man. Treat these wonderkids by the same measure.
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Looool! You are too kind, Ferobango. It isn't amnesia / lack of consistency. It's a deliberate attempt by some to belittle Carlos because they dislike him, and to put down his fans., who are somehow deserving of rudeness and insult because they are his fans. That embarrassing 2 year old mentality that is somehow seen as macho. Mind you, it's a good laugh to note some of the comments made so seriously / emphatically whilst the facts and evidence are blindsided.

The hypocrisy over 'hype' is staggering, with it being justified that the over the top comments about him are okay because people knew Jannik would win a slam ( we have many oracles on this forum!), whilst diminishing Carlos' exemplary achievements. I see no cries of outrage flung about these threads in sarcastic comments pertaining to Jannik, when they were repeated in relation to Carlos. But wait a minute- that's probably because Jannik is their favoured one. Loool!

Apparently, it is impossible by some to say something positive about their man without putting another player down. I have liked Jannik and enjoyed his tennis for a while, and not because he won the AO. I won't stop doing so if he stops winning titles for some reason / because some of his fans are poisonous about Carlos.
Jannik is an asset to the men's tour, and I look forward to his achieving his potential for great things ahead. He is very much part of the new dawn of the game.
 
Eureka said:
Apparently, it is impossible by some to say something positive about their man without putting another player down. I have liked Jannik and enjoyed his tennis for a while, and not because he won the AO. I won't stop doing so if he stops winning titles for some reason / because some of his fans are poisonous about Carlos.
Jannik is an asset to the men's tour, and I look forward to his achieving his potential for great things ahead. He is very much part of the new dawn of the game.
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We will witness some titanic duels in the decade to come. Already lots of tactical finesse in this matchup despite both want to out-aggro each other for now. They want to impose their will and way to play onto the other.
 
Rovesciarete said:
We will witness some titanic duels in the decade to come. Already lots of tactical finesse in this matchup despite both want to out-aggro each other for now. They want to impose their will and way to play onto the other.
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I maintain that their USO QF is still the match of the 2020s. It was a sign of things to come after all.
 
Again with these hype threads. Let the dude win a bunch and beat Djokovic and Rafa in big matches sending them to retirement, then we can talk of dawn and dusk.
 
dking68 said:
Do you see him winning the sunshine double? I can see it happening. I don’t see anyone stopping him. He will win at least one of them
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No he won't. Both his semi-final and final wins were because of one guy flat lining and another guy out of gas. So you might want to hold your horses. He may turn out like Thiem.
 
tennis24x7 said:
No he won't. Both his semi-final and final wins were because of one guy flat lining and another guy out of gas. So you might want to hold your horses. He may turn out like Thiem.
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Sinner is a much better player than both atm. And he’s a significantly improved player from 2023. Medvedev and Alcaraz are still at the same level
 
Eureka said:
Looool! You are too kind, Ferobango. It isn't amnesia / lack of consistency. It's a deliberate attempt by some to belittle Carlos because they dislike him, and to put down his fans., who are somehow deserving of rudeness and insult because they are his fans. That embarrassing 2 year old mentality that is somehow seen as macho. Mind you, it's a good laugh to note some of the comments made so seriously / emphatically whilst the facts and evidence are blindsided.

The hypocrisy over 'hype' is staggering, with it being justified that the over the top comments about him are okay because people knew Jannik would win a slam ( we have many oracles on this forum!), whilst diminishing Carlos' exemplary achievements. I see no cries of outrage flung about these threads in sarcastic comments pertaining to Jannik, when they were repeated in relation to Carlos. But wait a minute- that's probably because Jannik is their favoured one. Loool!

Apparently, it is impossible by some to say something positive about their man without putting another player down. I have liked Jannik and enjoyed his tennis for a while, and not because he won the AO. I won't stop doing so if he stops winning titles for some reason / because some of his fans are poisonous about Carlos.
Jannik is an asset to the men's tour, and I look forward to his achieving his potential for great things ahead. He is very much part of the new dawn of the game.
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At us open 2022, Alcaraz was playing worse version of Sinner, a declined Cilic but his best opposition that year, 1 time slam semifinalist and home favorite Tiafoe and Casper Ruud. It took 23 hours and 39 mins.
Alcaraz could do it because he was so fit at that age.

But the opposition doesn't make you feel like he was a world beater. But the hype was high. With Nole banned, Medvedev still stuck post surgery, and Zverev injured, 3 of the last 4 semifinalists and real favorites on HC didn't even participate in the slam/beaten down very early.

Now comparing that to AO 2024 is ridiculous. He beat Djokovic, thrashed him worse than Djokovic thrashed Federer in AO16. Beat Rublev and Khachanov along with all others in straight sets. In the final he played Medvedev, a grand slam winner and 5 time finalist before (2 at AO).

Now we shouldn't overhype Sinner's run but he beat everyone he could play easily except Medvedev. Draw held up. Sinner literally played every single high seed till the final where he played number 3 vs a number 2 seed.

By rounds
R3 - number 26
R4 - number 15
QF - number 5
SF - number 1
final - number 3

Nothing left to prove. No asterisks.
 
nolefam_2024 said:
At us open 2022, Alcaraz was playing worse version of Sinner, a declined Cilic but his best opposition that year, 1 time slam semifinalist and home favorite Tiafoe and Casper Ruud. It took 23 hours and 39 mins.
Alcaraz could do it because he was so fit at that age.

But the opposition doesn't make you feel like he was a world beater. But the hype was high. With Nole banned, Medvedev still stuck post surgery, and Zverev injured, 3 of the last 4 semifinalists and real favorites on HC didn't even participate in the slam/beaten down very early.

Now comparing that to AO 2024 is ridiculous. He beat Djokovic, thrashed him worse than Djokovic thrashed Federer in AO16. Beat Rublev and Khachanov along with all others in straight sets. In the final he played Medvedev, a grand slam winner and 5 time finalist before (2 at AO).

Now we shouldn't overhype Sinner's run but he beat everyone he could play easily except Medvedev. Draw held up. Sinner literally played every single high seed till the final where he played number 3 vs a number 2 seed.

By rounds
R3 - number 26
R4 - number 15
QF - number 5
SF - number 1
final - number 3

Nothing left to prove. No asterisks.
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They can say anything they want, I wouldn’t be surprised if he wins 3 grand slam titles this year. He’s going to defeat Alcaraz both at Wimbledon and USO. His only competition is Djokovic and honestly, I think he defeats him at the USO at least.
 
tennis24x7 said:
No he won't. Both his semi-final and final wins were because of one guy flat lining and another guy out of gas. So you might want to hold your horses. He may turn out like Thiem.
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Ridiculous notion.

The one handed clay courter Thiem is not going to be a model Sinner is based on.
 
dking68 said:
They can say anything they want, I wouldn’t be surprised if he wins 3 grand slam titles this year. He’s going to defeat Alcaraz both at Wimbledon and USO. His only competition is Djokovic and honestly, I think he defeats him at the USO at least.
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Going too far maybe. We need more results.
 
nolefam_2024 said:
At us open 2022, Alcaraz was playing worse version of Sinner, a declined Cilic but his best opposition that year, 1 time slam semifinalist and home favorite Tiafoe and Casper Ruud. It took 23 hours and 39 mins.
Alcaraz could do it because he was so fit at that age.

But the opposition doesn't make you feel like he was a world beater. But the hype was high. With Nole banned, Medvedev still stuck post surgery, and Zverev injured, 3 of the last 4 semifinalists and real favorites on HC didn't even participate in the slam/beaten down very early.

Now comparing that to AO 2024 is ridiculous. He beat Djokovic, thrashed him worse than Djokovic thrashed Federer in AO16. Beat Rublev and Khachanov along with all others in straight sets. In the final he played Medvedev, a grand slam winner and 5 time finalist before (2 at AO).

Now we shouldn't overhype Sinner's run but he beat everyone he could play easily except Medvedev. Draw held up. Sinner literally played every single high seed till the final where he played number 3 vs a number 2 seed.

By rounds
R3 - number 26
R4 - number 15
QF - number 5
SF - number 1
final - number 3

Nothing left to prove. No asterisks.
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Since we are doing mental gymnastics here, let me contribute to it.

That Sinner of 2022 took two sets off a better Djokovic. Additionally he was always a good match-up against Alcaraz. It's entirely his fault that he lost to Alcaraz and didn't give himself the chance to face Ruud in the finals.

The best player Sinner faced this AO before the SF was Rublev, and no, Sebastian Baez doesn't count. Speaking of declined players, I've never seen Djokovic look more declined than in the SF. I don't remember Cilic forgetting to hit a ball beyond the base of the net the way Djokovic did against Sinner. By his own admission, it was the worst slam match he's played since 2005, putting even the version that played Stan at the USO in 2016 to shame. Sure I can give credits to him for closing it out but not in this post. This is a post for mental gymnastics.

Medvedev was in iffy form all tournament long. Hell, he was two sets down against Budget Sinner (Ruus) and many others. But against peak Sinner in the finals? He was 2 sets up for as long as his body held up. Medvedev lost because Sinner had the fitness at this age.

In conclusion, of the fourteen matches between USO-2022 and AO-24 between Sinner and Carlos, the most impressive victory is the Alcaraz win over Sinner who was arguably just as good as he was two sets up against a better, less declined Djokovic not too long before that.


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I'm as correct/wrong as you are here. So either we asterisk both or move on to congratulate these fine young champions.
 
FeroBango said:
Since we are doing mental gymnastics here, let me contribute to it.

That Sinner of 2022 took two sets off a better Djokovic. Additionally he was always a good match-up against Alcaraz. It's entirely his fault that he lost to Alcaraz and didn't give himself the chance to face Ruud in the finals.

The best player Sinner faced this AO before the SF was Rublev, and no, Sebastian Baez doesn't count. Speaking of declined players, I've never seen Djokovic look more declined than in the SF. I don't remember Cilic forgetting to hit a ball beyond the base of the net the way Djokovic did against Sinner. Sure I can give credits to him for closing it out but not in this post. This is a post for mental gymnastics.

Medvedev was in iffy form all tournament long. Hell, he was two sets down against Budget Sinner and many others. But against peak Sinner in the finals? He was 2 sets up for as long as his body held up. Medvedev lost because Sinner had the fitness at this age.

In conclusion, of the fourteen matches between USO-2022 and AO-24 between Sinner and Carlos, the most impressive victory is the Alcaraz win over Sinner who was arguably just as good as he was two sets up against a better, less declined Djokovic not too long before that.


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What a rubbish

Sinner wasn't even half as good in 2022 USOpen as he is now.

You just want to make others posting for sinner look ridiculous. Job well done. I am not in the sinner camp who cries because sinner lost mp up in 2022.

The truth is here for everyone. In 2024 he has beaten all highest seeds in his way to trophy. That is on the back of fall 2023. In fall I was the one asking all to be cautious. But now there is literally no reason left.

He is still improving at fast rate. 22 isn't the age to stop improving. More and more he is separating himself away from Berdych.
 
nolefam_2024 said:
What a rubbish

Sinner wasn't even half as good in 2022 USOpen as he is now.

You just want to make others posting for sinner look ridiculous. Job well done. I am not in the sinner camp who cries because sinner lost mp up in 2022.

The truth is here for everyone. In 2024 he has beaten all highest seeds in his way to trophy. That is on the back of fall 2023. In fall I was the one asking all to be cautious. But now there is literally no reason left.

He is still improving at fast rate. 22 isn't the age to stop improving. More and more he is separating himself away from Berdych.
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I'm just showing you the powers of putting an asterisk are immense. Sinner was 2 sets up against a better Djokovic that year, was always a good match-up against Raz in all years therefore his being allegedly inferior is negated by these factors. Additionally, Alcaraz himself was inferior to the version that won the grass swing in 2023. Further negation.

I don't care if Sebastian Baez or VdP are seeded 1 and 2 respectively. They are as irrelevant against peak Sinner as those that Alcaraz faced at the USO, if not more. Not that Jung, Rublev, the worst version of Djokovic, and a hot-and-cool Medvedev do him any favours when it comes to this academic devaluing exercise.

Of course the level Sinner showed was higher but it wasn't there to be exposed because Djokovic didn't show up and though exposed, Medvedev let the fatigue get to him in the finals.

I admire Sinner and acknowledge that his peak era is here potentially but either we asterisk this too or do the "a slam is a slam" punchline and move on.
 
FeroBango said:
I'm just showing you the powers of putting an asterisk are immense. Sinner was 2 sets up against a better Djokovic that year, was always a good match-up against Raz in all years therefore his being allegedly inferior is negated by these factors. Additionally, Alcaraz himself was inferior to the version that won the grass swing in 2023. Further negation.

I don't care if Sebastian Baez or VdP are seeded 1 and 2 respectively. They are as irrelevant against peak Sinner as those that Alcaraz faced at the USO, if not more. Not that Jung, Rublev, the worst version of Djokovic, and a hot-and-cool Medvedev do him any favours when it comes to this academic devaluing exercise.

Of course the level Sinner showed was higher but it wasn't there to be exposed because Djokovic didn't show up and though exposed, Medvedev let the fatigue get to him in the finals.

I admire Sinner and acknowledge that his peak era is here potentially but either we asterisk this too or do the "a slam is a slam" punchline and move on.
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USO 22 had a huge asterisk. Similar to AO 22
 
FeroBango said:
I'm just showing you the powers of putting an asterisk are immense. Sinner was 2 sets up against a better Djokovic that year, was always a good match-up against Raz in all years therefore his being allegedly inferior is negated by these factors. Additionally, Alcaraz himself was inferior to the version that won the grass swing in 2023. Further negation.

I don't care if Sebastian Baez or VdP are seeded 1 and 2 respectively. They are as irrelevant against peak Sinner as those that Alcaraz faced at the USO, if not more. Not that Jung, Rublev, the worst version of Djokovic, and a hot-and-cool Medvedev do him any favours when it comes to this academic devaluing exercise.

Of course the level Sinner showed was higher but it wasn't there to be exposed because Djokovic didn't show up and though exposed, Medvedev let the fatigue get to him in the finals.

I admire Sinner and acknowledge that his peak era is here potentially but either we asterisk this too or do the "a slam is a slam" punchline and move on.
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There is no way I am ever moving on from 2022. You can count on it.
 
nolefam_2024 said:
USO 22 had a huge asterisk. Similar to AO 22
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And AO 24. The minute he faced an opponent who could put a ball in the court, he tightened up to go two sets down, even if said opponent was losing sets left and right including against the low budget version of Sinner himself.

Edit: In case it wasn't blatantly clear already, I will add that I don't really believe in asterisked slams. A slam is a slam but it is fun to engage in moronic "debates" and show a mirror to their thoughts and logic.

AO 2022, AO 2014, USO 2022, AO 2024 are all valid.
 
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FeroBango said:
And AO 24. The minute he faced an opponent who could put a ball in the court, he tightened up to go two sets down, even if said opponent was losing sets left and right including against the low budget version of Sinner himself.
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The dude played his first freaking final and he won it. He’s a GS champion whether you like it or not and he has a better career than Zverev and Tsitsipas
 
FeroBango said:
And AO 24. The minute he faced an opponent who could put a ball in the court, he tightened up to go two sets down, even if said opponent was losing sets left and right including against the low budget version of Sinner himself.
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Wtf

You seem to have your own definitions

Going on ignore list sorry
 
dking68 said:
The dude played his first freaking final and he won it. He’s a GS champion whether you like it or not and he has a better career than Zverev and Tsitsipas
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Okay, sure. I'm not the one eager to devalue slam wins here. Many congratulations to the kid.
 
I don't want sinner fans to hold back anymore. He has earned the hype. It's time to keep pushing the hype.

Don't get stuck with these members who are cautious and making comparison to Delpo or Thiem. There is no need for it.
 
FeroBango said:
Sorry. Teach me, master of academic definitions. I merely try and learn from your wisdom.
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You don't have to learn from anyone. You are trying to be cautious when there is literally no need. You yourself has admitted Sinner's time has come. Then go full throttle.

Alcaraz had huge asterisk in USO 22. And his ranking as well. 2022 was a sham year.
 
nolefam_2024 said:
I don't want sinner fans to hold back anymore. He has earned the hype. It's time to keep pushing the hype.

Don't get stuck with these members who are cautious and making comparison to Delpo or Thiem. There is no need for it.
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Sinner actually had a chance of winning Wimbledon 2022 and USO 2022. Delpo only had a shot at USO 2009 and maybe RG 2009. After that he was unable to seriously contend for a major
 
nolefam_2024 said:
You don't have to learn from anyone. You are trying to be cautious when there is literally no need. You yourself has admitted Sinner's time has come. Then go full throttle.

Alcaraz had huge asterisk in USO 22. And his ranking as well. 2022 was a sham year.
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Eh? Are you sure you're responding to the correct person? I'm not here comparing him to Thiem lol.

But if USO 2022 can be asterisked, AO 2024 just as easily can be and I just showed you how.
 
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............Nothing left to prove. No asterisks.
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Thanks for replying - an interesting summary. I take it that your point is that the first slam won by Carlos -USO 2022- was less of an achievement than Jannik's win of the AO. I disagree. In his first GS win, Carlos beat a former GS winner in Cilic, Jannik who had match points, an inform Tiafoe on home soil, and the player vying for the number 1 spot- Ruud. Carlos played 3 consecutive 5 setters and despite the obvious impact of such effort, he clinched the final in 4 sets. And of course the key fact - Carlos was only 19 years old, winning a GS at the first point of asking. And with it, in one fell swoop, he achieved the number 1 ranking. Top of top drawer stuff.

Of course the hype for Carlos was high, because he achieved what none of his similar age peers could achieve in the same field that you describe. Trying to begrudge him the worth of his win is unfortunate.

Jannik was simply outstanding at the AO, and also won it at the first point of asking. Superb stuff. But he played an off-form Novak and an exhausted Daniil in the SF/ F. Given his routine matches in the earlier rounds, he ought to have won the final in straights. If you start to nit-pick, you'll struggle. What you consider to be unanswerable, will illicit answers.

Most mystifying for me is the need you seem to have for 'proving' that one player's efforts are less worthy than another's. In the scheme of things Carlos trumps Jannik's win in that he attained the number 1 ranking too and he is one of the youngest to have won the USO and 10th youngest to have won a slam. Hats off to him. It's what sets him apart in their current rivalry, you see. And that is a fact.
 
FeroBango said:
Eh? Are you sure you're responding to the correct person? I'm not here comparing him to Thiem lol.

But if USO 2022 can be asterisked, AO 2024 just as easily can be and I just showed you how.
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You are so dumb. The greatest AO champion played that event and lost handily to Sinner. Alcaraz only faced a declining Cilic.
 
nolefam_2024 said:
I don't want sinner fans to hold back anymore. He has earned the hype. It's time to keep pushing the hype.

Don't get stuck with these members who are cautious and making comparison to Delpo or Thiem. There is no need for it.
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Lol, i tought you were a nolefam, and suddenly youre writting out Djokovic and only sinner is gonna win the slams, at least i got to say youre preaching with the example, youre definetly not holding back lol, but you and dking definetly wanna have It both ways, when Alcaraz was winning all that you were probably complaining about the hype, sinner hasnt even half of what Alcaraz has acomplished being two years younger and suddenly he deserves a crazy hype
 
dking68 said:
You are so dumb. The greatest AO champion played that event and lost handily to Sinner. Alcaraz only faced a declining Cilic.
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Declining Cilic on the one hand, but the greatest AO champ at the peak of his powers (not) on the other hand.

Astounding brilliance and analytical skills there. Any special coaching classes you offer?
 
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