Sinner's win is the new Dawn of tennis

TheSlicer

Professional
You don't have to learn from anyone. You are trying to be cautious when there is literally no need. You yourself has admitted Sinner's time has come. Then go full throttle.

Alcaraz had huge asterisk in USO 22. And his ranking as well. 2022 was a sham year.
A 19 year old winning 4 5 setters in a row playing the kind of tennis he was playing and getting a slam in his first full year on tour is something your eyes havent witnessed unless you been watching tennis for 30 years, i watched all of those matches and i watched a lot of tennis for a long time, i believe a can judge that right, in an era of baseliners he has basically changed the game and now everybody tries to play more varied, even sinner himself who said Carlos has been an inspiration and theyre trying to be "as good as him" those were his own words, and thats a much more reasonable aproach given the facts, than the one some of his fans are having
 
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nolefam_2024

G.O.A.T.
Thanks for replying - an interesting summary. I take it that your point is that the first slam won by Carlos -USO 2022- was less of an achievement than Jannik's win of the AO. I disagree. In his first GS win, Carlos beat a former GS winner in Cilic, Jannik who had match points, an inform Tiafoe on home soil, and the player vying for the number 1 spot- Ruud. Carlos played 3 consecutive 5 setters and despite the obvious impact of such effort, he clinched the final in 4 sets. And of course the key fact - Carlos was only 19 years old, winning a GS at the first point of asking. And with it, in one fell swoop, he achieved the number 1 ranking. Top of top drawer stuff.

Of course the hype for Carlos was high, because he achieved what none of his similar age peers could achieve in the same field that you describe. Trying to begrudge him the worth of his win is unfortunate.

Jannik was simply outstanding at the AO, and also won it at the first point of asking. Superb stuff. But he played an off-form Novak and an exhausted Daniil in the SF/ F. Given his routine matches in the earlier rounds, he ought to have won the final in straights. If you start to nit-pick, you'll struggle. What you consider to be unanswerable, will illicit answers.

Most mystifying for me is the need you seem to have for 'proving' that one player's efforts are less worthy than another's. In the scheme of things Carlos trumps Jannik's win in that he attained the number 1 ranking too and he is one of the youngest to have won the USO and 10th youngest to have won a slam. Hats off to him. It's what sets him apart in their current rivalry, you see. And that is a fact.
Same field is not true at all

Djokovic who won 30 out of 31 or some hc matches post USO 22 was banned. The field is pretty weak just by that.

I am Nolefam but this is the first time I am accepting there is a guy who is now better than him. He thrashed Djokovic in AO.
 

nolefam_2024

G.O.A.T.
Lol, i tought you were a nolefam, and suddenly youre writting out Djokovic and only sinner is gonna win the slams, at least i got to say youre preaching with the example, youre definetly not holding back lol, but you and dking definetly wanna have It both ways, when Alcaraz was winning all that you were probably complaining about the hype, sinner hasnt even half of what Alcaraz has acomplished being two years younger and suddenly he deserves a crazy hype
Why would I write Djokovic off. He still has 2 to 3 slams in him. But the landscape has shifted permanently. Next time Nole faces sinner he will be slightly underdog vs sinner which never happened off clay since 2011. Maybe USO 13 was the only slam where Nole wasn't top favorite.
 

TheSlicer

Professional
Same field is not true at all

Djokovic who won 30 out of 31 or some hc matches post USO 22 was banned. The field is pretty weak just by that.

I am Nolefam but this is the first time I am accepting there is a guy who is now better than him. He thrashed Djokovic in AO.
And Djokovic trashed him a month before to win the ATP finals, like, you know, maybe It isnt something definitive yet, you cant take one or two matches as a sample and just be sure of whats gonna happen
 

FeroBango

Hall of Fame
A 19 year old winning 4 5 setters in a row playing the kind of tennis he was playing and getting a slam in his first full year on tour is something your eyes havent witnessed unless you been watching tennis for 30 years, i watched all of those matches and i watched a lot of tennis for a long time, i believe a can judge that right, in an era of baseliners he has basically changed the game and now everybody tries to played more varied, even sinner himself who said Carlos has been an inspiration and theyre trying to be "as good as him" those were his own words, and thats a much more reasonable aproach given the facts, than the one some of his fans are having
Some insane skullduggery here. These posters can't have it both ways is my premise yet "you're duMb, iGnoRe liSt" is the best they can do when you present Jannik's magnificent slam win the same way they tarnish Raz' maiden slam win replete with an immense show of will every match.
 

nolefam_2024

G.O.A.T.
And Djokovic trashed him a month before to win the ATP finals, like, you know, maybe It isnt something definitive yet, you cant take one or two matches as a sample and just be sure of whats gonna happen
That was Djokovic playing very high risk tennis. The margins are too low and when they work he will win but when not he will get thrashed like AO24.

The only thing I still have objection about sinner is his physicality.
 

TheSlicer

Professional
Why would I write Djokovic off. He still has 2 to 3 slams in him. But the landscape has shifted permanently. Next time Nole faces sinner he will be slightly underdog vs sinner which never happened off clay since 2011. Maybe USO 13 was the only slam where Nole wasn't top favorite.
But Djokovic has shown he basically never loses to lesser players, while i can see sinner losing against a lot of players on the given day, so maybe they dont even get to face each other in the latter stages in some big tournaments, thinking that sinner only has to worry about beating Djokovic is a huge mistake
 

nolefam_2024

G.O.A.T.
But Djokovic has shown he basically never loses to lesser players, while i can see sinner losing against a lot of players on the given day, so maybe they dont even get to face each other in the latter stages in some big tournaments, thinking that sinner only has to worry about beating Djokovic is a huge mistake
Sinner doesn't have only Djokovic to worry. He isn't already at fed 2004 or Djokovic 2011 level yet.

Djokovic is the top favorite of all non clay slams post 2011. But now I don't think he will be.
 

Eureka

Professional
Same field is not true at all

Djokovic who won 30 out of 31 or some hc matches post USO 22 was banned. The field is pretty weak just by that.

I am Nolefam but this is the first time I am accepting there is a guy who is now better than him. He thrashed Djokovic in AO.
I'll accept this as your view, but disagree it. What I think I share with you is that it will be great to see Jannik realising his further potential. I'm looking forward to it.
 

Eureka

Professional
A 19 year old winning 4 5 setters in a row playing the kind of tennis he was playing and getting a slam in his first full year on tour is something your eyes havent witnessed unless you been watching tennis for 30 years, i watched all of those matches and i watched a lot of tennis for a long time, i believe a can judge that right, in an era of baseliners he has basically changed the game and now everybody tries to played more varied, even sinner himself who said Carlos has been an inspiration and theyre trying to be "as good as him" those were his own words, and thats a much more reasonable aproach given the facts, than the one some of his fans are having
Excellent observation. The comms have mentioned this - for example in relation to coming in more / drop shots. So as well as the myriad other things that have impacted the sport with his game, I'll add 'trail blazer' to them. Looking forward to what else he'll do. ;)

This, I think is part of the diligent approach in any field - observing / learning from others. Those that can learn and adapt will most likely succeed. The manner in which Jannik has developed / adapted and honed his strengths are also no doubt a huge inspiration to others. An example to follow, if they can.

EDIT: For avoiding doubt, I meant Carlos, in my first paragraph - he, the 'trail blazer'.
 
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FeroBango

Hall of Fame
Excellent observation. The comms have mentioned this - for example in relation to coming in more / drop shots. So as well as the myriad other things that have impacted the sport with his game, I'll add 'trail blazer' to them. Looking forward to what else he'll do. ;)

This, I think is part of the diligent approach in any field - observing / learning from others. Those that can learn and adapt will most likely succeed. The manner in which Jannik has developed / adapted and honed his strengths are also no doubt a huge inspiration to others. An example to follow, if they can.
Jannik has been simply amazing with his on-court awareness in recent days. I admire the way he picks the right spots to unleash the hammer forehand (and backhand) that he possesses. Save for the unsavoury few here on these boards, this has been an enthralling time for the pure Tennis fan in me, leaving aside the fact that it is Carlos who's "my boy" among the two.

I like how Jannik's camp views Carlos as a trail blazer who's set the standards for his peers. As you mentioned, it's obvious that Alcaraz even in this early stage of his career, has impacted the meta of the game.

Now Carlos would do good to observe what this beautifully destructive peak version of Sinner is doing on the court.
 

nolefam_2024

G.O.A.T.
Jannik has been simply amazing with his on-court awareness in recent days. I admire the way he picks the right spots to unleash the hammer forehand (and backhand) that he possesses. Save for the unsavoury few here on these boards, this has been an enthralling time for the pure Tennis fan in me, leaving aside the fact that it is Carlos who's "my boy" among the two.

I like how Jannik's camp views Carlos as a trail blazer who's set the standards for his peers. As you mentioned, it's obvious that Alcaraz even in this early stage of his career, has impacted the meta of the game.

Now Carlos would do good to observe what this beautifully destructive peak version of Sinner is doing on the court.
Alcaraz shook up the tennis atmosphere. Just like Nadal did in 2005. But not many are playing like him. They can't because they don't have his speed.

He has huge early start, playing well above any expectations in 2022. In 2024, if he fails to win by IW, he will have worse slump than Nadal in 2006-07.

At the same time, Sinner is ascending very fast. Right now in the live ranking:
Sinner is at 8310 ranking pts and Alcaraz is at 9255. Both have a lot of points to defend. Lets see who is ahead by the time RG concludes.

Since RG concluded last year, Alcaraz has won 2 titles. Sinner has won 4.
Both have won 1 slam, 1 semis and 1 qf. Sinner has won 1 more masters title but Alcaraz had CP in 1 masters final.
Sinner has won DC.
Sinner has beaten Carlos in Beijing.

Since Grass season started till now, Sinner is slightly better.
 

dking68

Legend
Alcaraz shook up the tennis atmosphere. Just like Nadal did in 2005. But not many are playing like him. They can't because they don't have his speed.

He has huge early start, playing well above any expectations in 2022. In 2024, if he fails to win by IW, he will have worse slump than Nadal in 2006-07.

At the same time, Sinner is ascending very fast. Right now in the live ranking:
Sinner is at 8310 ranking pts and Alcaraz is at 9255. Both have a lot of points to defend. Lets see who is ahead by the time RG concludes.

Since RG concluded last year, Alcaraz has won 2 titles. Sinner has won 4.
Both have won 1 slam, 1 semis and 1 qf. Sinner has won 1 more masters title but Alcaraz had CP in 1 masters final.
Sinner has won DC.
Sinner has beaten Carlos in Beijing.

Since Grass season started till now, Sinner is slightly better.
If Sinner wins the sunshine double which is very possible, he’ll be the number 1or two seed for Roland

Medvedev has Rome to defend
Alcaraz has a lot of titles to defend
Djokovic has QF in Rome to defend
 

nolefam_2024

G.O.A.T.
If Sinner wins the sunshine double which is very possible, he’ll be the number 1or two seed for Roland

Medvedev has Rome to defend
Alcaraz has a lot of titles to defend
Djokovic has QF in Rome to defend
Sinner has won 2 more titles before IW and semis of MC. Alcaraz has less than 4000 pts till RG to defend. I think the balance can shift only if Sinner goes on a tear. Otherwise, lets wait till RG concludes.
 

dking68

Legend
Sinner has won 2 more titles before IW and semis of MC. Alcaraz has less than 4000 pts till RG to defend. I think the balance can shift only if Sinner goes on a tear. Otherwise, lets wait till RG concludes.
Medvedev has 5 titles to defend between now and Roland. Sinner will be at least the third seed for Roland.
 

TheSlicer

Professional
Jannik has been simply amazing with his on-court awareness in recent days. I admire the way he picks the right spots to unleash the hammer forehand (and backhand) that he possesses. Save for the unsavoury few here on these boards, this has been an enthralling time for the pure Tennis fan in me, leaving aside the fact that it is Carlos who's "my boy" among the two.

I like how Jannik's camp views Carlos as a trail blazer who's set the standards for his peers. As you mentioned, it's obvious that Alcaraz even in this early stage of his career, has impacted the meta of the game.

Now Carlos would do good to observe what this beautifully destructive peak version of Sinner is doing on the court.
Jannik has definetly been a fast learner, and i think the direction his coaching has taken has been the right one, adding more variety, even if It meant losing some matches last year, and i agree, the ones that adapt Will be the successful ones, all that paired with his natural ball striking could only end Up in great results, tennis looks good man, zverev getting to top form and med being positive and fighting every tournament only add to that, this can be a really amazing year.
 

nolefam_2024

G.O.A.T.
Jannik has definetly been a fast learner, and i think the direction his coaching has taken has been the right one, adding more variety, even if It meant losing some matches last year, and i agree, the ones that adapt Will be the successful ones, all that paired with his natural ball striking could only end Up in great results, tennis looks good man, zverev getting to top form and med being positive and fighting every tournament only add to that, this can be a really amazing year.
And in the year sinner has taken the best start possible. Won first slam. Beat world number 1 3 and 5.
 

nolefam_2024

G.O.A.T.
Now coming to think about it Djokovic won the ATP finals but could have gotten knocked out in RR.
It's Sinner's win which saved Djokovic.

Right now it's looking very good for sinner
 

TheSlicer

Professional
We might have another sinner medvedev at Rotterdam if both get to final rounds, its turning into an interesting match Up, they already played many finals, i dont really like Carlos playing the south american tournaments on Clay, but it seems to have worked for him so far, i Guess it helps him to get into rallies more as Rotterdam is quite fast surface, and indian Wells is also quite slow, maybe he wont play rio this time if he wins buenos aires, as theyre too close together and last year it took a tall physically.
 

Mike Sams

G.O.A.T.
Why is Sinner the new dawn? Alcaraz has won two slams.
Has everybody already forgotten about him?
Alcaraz wasn't showing enough quality and consistency on hards. He's been struggling ever since he won Wimbledon. Sinner on the other hand has been crushing everyone in his wake. But most importantly is that his mental strength seems to be at a high level. Even after losing that 3rd set and a match point, he became even stronger in the 4th and completely halted Djokovic's momentum. And to come back from 2 sets down against Medvedev in the final. Sinner seems destined to be world #1 this year with the way things are looking.
 

Mike Sams

G.O.A.T.
Going way too far. No one said this and if ttw got overexcited about alcaraz that's ttw fault to always jump the gun.

Saying sinner is the new dawn isn't jumping the gun. He is permanently shifting tennis landscape right now. Hasn't happened in past 10/15 years since the rise of Djokovic.
Several generations following the rise of Djokovic have been a disappointment. The Raonic/Nishikori/Dimitrov gen failed very badly. Then the Thiem/Med/Zverev/Tsitsipas gen failed. But now we got the 2000s born players Sinner and Alcaraz who could be the ones to take all the majors this year.
 
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