Six King Slam 2024 SF - Jannik Sinner vs Novak Djokovic

[mehdimike]

When was the last time Novak got broken 6 times on a fast HC surface in BO3?!

 

[rigged]

5-4 Sinner leading h2h.

Will this officialy count even though it's an exhibition?

 

[TennisFan3]

Sinner vs Alcaraz coming up in the final.
And the 3rd place is Nadal vs Djokovic. Does Nadal even want to play that?

 

[nolefam_2024]

When was the last time Novak got broken 6 times on a fast HC surface in BO3?!

This is his first match here and the surface shift is too much. But props to sinner. 6 times is huge.

 

[mehdimike]

His strategy is simply trying to get errors from sinner bh

That fh to fh is killer now. Sinner can go down the line nuclear or hit cc.

Let's not mess with that forehand, only go to it for getting weaker shot and go to backhand.

How many times did he go for FH DTL during the last set? I was in awe

 

[NaDjoFed]

Sinner vs Alcaraz coming up in the final.
And the 3rd place is Nadal vs Djokovic. Does Nadal even want to play that?

exactly, Sinner vs Alcaraz and an epic Nole vs Nadal. As it should be

 

[Djokovic_is_the_best#1]

Great match but sinner too good in the end. Another sinner v Alcaraz classic coming up

 

[Lleytonstation]

Will this officialy count even though it's an exhibition?

IT should. Sure felt like a real match. But I guess not.

 

[Bastion]

Thanks for a great match, Sinner just too good.

Good fight Goat, TB bagel was special.

 

[nolefam_2024]

How many times did he go for FH DTL during the last set? I was in awe

Yes. Sinner has easy power. He can change direction and go absolutely nuclear.

 

[Lleytonstation]

When was the last time Novak got broken 6 times on a fast HC surface in BO3?!

And it was not like he was not breaking either.

 

[jeroenn]

Are the stats available anywhere? Wondering about serve stats. Don't recall Sinner ever hitting so many DF's.

 

[NoleFam]

His strategy is simply trying to get errors from sinner bh

That fh to fh is killer now. Sinner can go down the line nuclear or hit cc.

Let's not mess with that forehand, only go to it for getting weaker shot and go to bacbackhand

His strategy is to be aggressive and go for it after he opens up the court, and force errors from him. Problem is that's hard to do with Sinner playing this well, and he's making too many errors and playing the wrong shots which are costly. Djokovic destroyed Sinner forehand to forehand in that ATP finals match and hit it quite a bit bigger. Difference is, he's no longer playing as well.

 

[rigged]

Are the stats available anywhere? Wondering about serve stats. Don't recall Sinner ever hitting so many DF's.

Flashscore

 

[Bastion]

5-4 Sinner leading h2h.

He will be adding to that if Novak keeps playing.

But there is also this little one: 24 GS v 2 GS, Novak leading.

 

[nolefam_2024]

I don't have any unfinished business with anyone, I argue what I say, so I would avoid always putting you on the defensive with these prejudices.

From 36 to 37 there is only one year of difference but in terms of performance the difference at that age from one season to the next can be abysmal in the negative, as demonstrated by the 2023 Djokovic compared to the 2024 one. On the contrary, between between the ages of 22 and 23 when you are still in full tennis development the difference is only one year but in reality it can be abysmal on a positive performance level.

The reality is that between the current Sinner and the current Djokovic there is the same difference that there was between the two of them last year but in reverse. Then there is the possibility that Djokovic can still win some sporadic matches with him every now and then (not in the best of 5 sets), just as Sinner beat Djokovic twice last year despite still being inferior to him. But the fact that the Italian has definitively put the arrow against him without looking back is the reality of the facts, not a sandcastle that you are trying to build to convince yourself that Djokovic is immune to the passage of time.

Rude and arrogant

I know he is Italian but you have no right to speak bs. Go on ignore list.

 

[mehdimike]

Yes. Sinner has easy power. He can change direction and go absolutely nuclear.

And the scary part is that I don't remember him missing any one at all.

 

[Djokovic_is_the_best#1]

Djokovic played as well as he could. Pretty good but sinner is a different level now. The game continues to evolve.

 

[Bastion]

Dont tell me it is not a matchup issue. Cause it is.

Looking forward to their final Saturday.

 

[nolefam_2024]

His strategy is to be aggressive and go for it after he opens up the court, and force errors from him. Problem is that's hard to do with Sinner playing this well, and he's making too many errors and playing the wrong shots which are costly. Djokovic destroyed Sinner forehand to forehand in that ATP finals match and hit it quite a bit bigger. Difference is, he's no longer playing as well.

In atp finals Djokovic was on how big a streak of titles. Apart from Wimbledon he barely lost , he was on 4 title winning streak dude.

He is not even 100% match fit and taking sinner down the wire. He is playing incredibly well. Just need more fitness.

 

[marc45]

Sinner vs Alcaraz coming up in the final.
And the 3rd place is Nadal vs Djokovic. Does Nadal even want to play that?

does Novak?

 

[Bambooman]

2000 meters? Really, I thought it was a desert

Um, what?

 

[_phantom]

And the 3rd place is Nadal vs Djokovic. Does Nadal even want to play that?

It will have the genuine exho vibe.

 

[NoleFam]

In atp finals Djokovic was on how big a streak of titles. Apart from Wimbledon he barely lost , he was on 4 title winning streak dude.

He is not even 100% match fit and taking sinner down the wire. He is playing incredibly well. Just need more fitness.

Well the knee injury has definitely affected him with the movement and it's noticeable, although the movement is definitely better than at Wimbledon, but more than that his game is not as fine tuned as last year or as potent, starting with the serve. He's still playing a high level but it only takes a slight drop for the field to close the gap or pass you.

 

[Djokovic_is_the_best#1]

He will be adding to that if Novak keeps playing.

But there is also this little one: 24 GS v 2 GS, Novak leading.

Djokovic can have a 12-4 negative H2H to sinner and same with Alcaraz but it doesn’t matter. He’s hanging around as he still loves competing, see if he can win a few smaller titles and maybe a mini miracle happens and an opportunity for 1 last slam arises.

I’d much rather he try to add a bit more to his career than just decide to retire to avoid more losses to sinner and Alcaraz. This is expected but if he pulls 1 more victory against either before he retires it would be so sweet for him and a major talking point.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Well the knee injury has definitely affected him with the movement and it's noticeable, although the movement is definitely better than at Wimbledon, but more than that his game is not as fine tuned as last year or as potent, starting with the serve. He's still playing a high level but it only takes a slight drop for the field to close the gap or pass you.

The movement is getting better.

I say end the year, go home and train. No need to play Paris and Turin

 

[NYTennisfan]

Sinner is so good, but how good is Carlos beating him x3 in a row.

Sinner beats everybody but Carlos almost literally

 

[NYTennisfan]

The movement is getting better.

I say end the year, go home and train. No need to play Paris and Turin

He is definitely going to play Turin

 

[NoleFam]

The movement is getting better.

I say end the year, go home and train. No need to play Paris and Turin

No I disagree. He needs to play and test himself against the top guys.

 

[Djokovic_is_the_best#1]

Well the knee injury has definitely affected him with the movement and it's noticeable, although the movement is definitely better than at Wimbledon, but more than that his game is not as fine tuned as last year or as potent, starting with the serve. He's still playing a high level but it only takes a slight drop for the field to close the gap or pass you.

Sinner and Alcaraz are both going to be all time greats. It has took this and Djokovic aging a bit more so this is totally expected now.

Djokovic isn’t expected to beat either again but even if he can still give them a game, win a couple of smaller titles and try hang around for 1 last slam. This is where he at but I don’t just want him to retire to avoid bestdowns to sinner and Alcaraz.

I’d rather he keep playing, try add more titles or finals to his legacy and if that means losing to them more I prefer that than just retiring to save his H2H but winning no more. It always been about titles as of course H2H changes when you face youngsters in their absolute peak and you become old man in tennis.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Sinner won 98 pts and Djokovic 89

After set 1 they won 74 points each. While sinner had 1 match yesterday, Djokovic played first match today itself.

This went down the wire.

 

[Lleytonstation]

Crazy that Sinner is the best HC player by miles, yet cant beat Carlos.

 

[Djokovic_is_the_best#1]

No I disagree. He needs to play and test himself against the top guys.

In a way but it could also erode his confidence if he plays sinner and Alcaraz too much.

He needs to play them but be selective when he does in my view. No need to chase things like this when he’s dalready won them and these guys in better form,

That is why he needs to sort of dip in and out between smaller events and bigger ones. Try to pick his opportunity to go for something and let a slam go to protect his body if he feels it not looking likely he can win.

He can just pick what he goes for unlike Alcaraz and sinner who have to go for everything

 

[Tallawah Tennis]

Man, heroic effort from Novak, superb at times. But as anticipated, Jannik too good when needed. Kid has immense belief and ability to get the job done even if not on best form - he seemed tired today.

It is quite astonishing how Novak could play and put up a good contest despite a shoulder issue. Remarkable. Enjoyed this match from the second set.

Congratulations to Jannik for getting through to the final.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Man, heroic effort from Novak, superb at times. But as anticipated, Jannik too good when needed. Kid has immense belief and ability to get the job done even if not on best form - he seemed tired today.

It is quite astonishing how Novak could play and put up a good contest despite a shoulder issue. Remarkable. Enjoyed this match from the second set.

Congratulations to Jannik for getting through to the final.

Sinner has won 2 real matches in a row. Hopefully they meet in AO again, third time's the charm

 

[Djokovic_is_the_best#1]

Crazy that Sinner is the best HC player by miles, yet cant beat Carlos.

He will probably solve the puzzle eventually. I expect both guys to trade wins more next year

 

[Djokovic_is_the_best#1]

Sinner has won 2 real matches in a row. Hopefully they meet in AO again, third time's the charm

Djokovic probably has a better chance against sinner on grass and clay compared to hard courts now

 

[nolefam_2024]

Djokovic probably has a better chance against sinner on grass and clay compared to hard courts now

Maybe

 

[NoleFam]

Sinner and Alcaraz are both going to be all time greats. It has took this and Djokovic aging a bit more so this is totally expected now.

Djokovic isn’t expected to beat either again but even if he can still give them a game, win a couple of smaller titles and try hang around for 1 last slam. This is where he at but I don’t just want him to retire to avoid bestdowns to sinner and Alcaraz.

I’d rather he keep playing, try add more titles or finals to his legacy and if that means losing to them more I prefer that than Judy retiring to save his H2H but winning no more. It always been about titles as of course H2H changes when you face youngsters in their absolute peak and you become old man in tennis.

Alcaraz will be for sure but I'm not ready to say Sinner will be yet. There's the Wada thing looming and who knows which way that will go, and this is just his 1st year winning Slams. He has to follow this up with a great season next year but if he's suspended, that will be a setback. Alcaraz has already had 3 years in a row where he won at least 1 Slam.

I think Djokovic still has the prowess and skillset to beat them both, as he did to Alcaraz at the Olympics. Half-assing won't get it done though and I feel like he's kind of half-assing most of this year and especially after the Olympics; it's understandable though when you achieve everything in tennis, are the most successful, and have nothing left to prove.

I don't think he's reached the point where he's too old to challenge these guys. However, firing your team and not getting a new one is probably not going to do it. Djokovic having a good team behind him was a part of his success and I think he needs a coach if he wants to challenge these guys consistently.

 

[NoleFam]

In a way but it could also erode his confidence if he plays sinner and Alcaraz too much.

He needs to play them but be selective when he does in my view. No need to chase things like this when he’s dalready won them and these guys in better form,

That is why he needs to sort of dip in and out between smaller events and bigger ones. Try to pick his opportunity to go for something and let a slam go to protect his body if he feels it not looking likely he can win.

He can just pick what he goes for unlike Alcaraz and sinner who have to go for everything

That's not how Djokovic thinks though. He will never back down from a battle with a rival no matter what.

 

[Bastion]

Djokovic can have a 12-4 negative H2H to sinner and same with Alcaraz but it doesn’t matter. He’s hanging around as he still loves competing, see if he can win a few smaller titles and maybe a mini miracle happens and an opportunity for 1 last slam arises.

I’d much rather he try to add a bit more to his career than just decide to retire to avoid more losses to sinner and Alcaraz. This is expected but if he pulls 1 more victory against either before he retires it would be so sweet for him and a major talking point.

I wanted him to retire with the gold around his neck, already goat and all big records.

Also best h2h against two other best players, Rafa and Fed, and also better h2h against current best two, Sinner and Carlos.

But, big balls by him to at least put the h2h on the table to get one sided next year or so against current best two.

Will be great if he can at least win one more GS, but the chance is very slim.

Big fan of his and always will, but very realistic, one just have to analyze this match to see how massive change we had this year: Novak giving it all, but his good victories so tough to get, while Sinner looks like he is in cruise control, even if he is under pressure, and I think he could have gone up another few levels today ... if needed.

 

[Poisoned Slice]

And it was not like he was not breaking either.

 

[Djokovic_is_the_best#1]

That's not how Djokovic thinks though. He will never back down from a battle with a rival no matter what.

I agree it not his mindset. I just just feel he’s at the point where he can’t just keep going into the lion dens constantly. More things are against him now but as always he will do what he thinks is best.

 

[Bastion]

What were they thinking feeding Nadal for this young lion!?

 

[Djokovic_is_the_best#1]

I wanted him to retire with the gold around his neck, already goat and all big records.

Also best h2h against two other best players, Rafa and Fed, and also better h2h against current best two, Sinner and Carlos.

But, big balls by him to at least put the h2h on the table to get one sided next year or so against current best two.

Will be great if he can at least win one more GS, but the chance is very slim.

Big fan of his and always will, but very realistic, one just have to analyze this match to see how massive change we had this year: Novak giving it all, but his good victories so tough to get, while Sinner looks like he is in cruise control, even if he is under pressure, and I think he could have gone up another few levels today ... if needed.

Sinner has the H2H over Djokovic now so it expected. It doesn’t really matter if he loses a few more and goes 9-4. It isn’t going to harm him but it more a testament he can keep going and hanging around with these guys. It not his time anymore but it remarkable he still out there competing and can beat most of the field.

 

[Lleytonstation]

What were they thinking feeding Nadal for this young lion!?

I mean I really hope Carlos cools his jets a bit. No need for embarrassments here.

 

[nolefam_2024]

That's not how Djokovic thinks though. He will never back down from a battle with a rival no matter what.

Why should he back down.
Pound for pound he is third best in the world

 

[Lleytonstation]

Sinner has the H2H over Djokovic now so it expected. It doesn’t really matter if he loses a few more and goes 9-4. It isn’t going to harm him but it more a testament he can keep going and hanging around with these guys. It not his time anymore but it remarkable he still out there competing and can beat most of the field.

It does not hurt him, but does help Fed. People starting to realize how age and when you play people matter.

But h2h is still tied at 5.

 

[Djokovic_is_the_best#1]

Alcaraz will be for sure but I'm not ready to say Sinner will be yet. There's the Wada thing looming and who knows which way that will go, and this is just his 1st year winning Slams. He has to follow this up with a great season next year but if he's suspended, that will be a setback. Alcaraz has already had 3 years in a row where he won at least 1 Slam.

I think Djokovic still has the prowess and skillset to beat them both, as he did to Alcaraz at the Olympics. Half-assing won't get it done though and I feel like he's kind of half-assing most of this year and especially after the Olympics; it's understandable though when you achieve everything in tennis, are the most successful, and have nothing left to prove.

I don't think he's reached the point where he's too old to challenge these guys. However, firing your team and not getting a new one is probably not going to do it. Djokovic having a good team behind him was a part of his success and I think he needs a coach if he wants to challenge these guys consistently.

I think the WADA thing is just noise and them at least checking it out. I think sinner’s case is strong and he will be not guilty again. We will see.

I hope he is not guilty because the last thing the sport needs is the best player in world being banned up to a year or 18 months.

I think it up to Djokovic. He can just enjoy himself now and do what best for him. The expectations have changed now and even he knows himself these guys have passed him now. It doesn’t mean he can’t just hang around try win some smaller events and who knows if one more opportunity presents in a slam.

Djokovic might actually have a better shot on the neutral surfaces to be honest. Less can play well on them but obviously alcaraz is the no1 favourite there. We will see how sinner does on clay and grass next season.

 

[Djokovic_is_the_best#1]

It does not hurt him, but does help Fed. People starting to realize how age and when you play people matter.

But h2h is still tied at 5.

Well I agree. That is why I was always a titles man first. Even when Djokovic turned the H2H around with Fed I never said he was greater. As we could all see Djokovic wss helped by being 6 years younger in the big matches. That is why you judge a player on titles and slams won.

Alcaraz or sinner need 25 slams to overtake Djokovic even if they own the H2H with him. H2H is very circumstantial and depends when you catch players.